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#3226: Dec 23rd 2021 at 11:46:08 AM

I guess you could switch the order of Shadow and Chaos. Do SA2 first and then SA1.

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#3227: Dec 23rd 2021 at 11:57:33 AM

Hmmmm

Sonic 3: Eggman creates Shadow, but he eventually turns face and Eggman is imprisoned.

Sonic 4: Preventing Chaos from being unleashed, and Shadow struggles to integrate with the group until the climax when him and Sonic go Super face Chaos.

Would be pretty kino.

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#3228: Dec 23rd 2021 at 12:43:56 PM

Sonic 3 culminates in Shadow and Sonic teaming up to take down Biolizard. There's a plot point that Gerald Robotnik was experimenting with something to create a being of limitless power that they could control. The result of that experiment was... either Shadow or Biolizard, whichever's supposed to be the "Ultimate Life Form" in the games, that shit was so confusing. With the other being a work in progress.

But it's never quite made clear exactly where they got the material that they were trying to replicate. Maybe there's, like, one shot of a containment cell or something. But we never see what's in it. (Or we do but it seems to be empty from the limited perspective we're able to view it from?)

Anyways. Facility or space station or whatever is destroyed, Biolizard is slain, Shadow disappears inconclusively. Story's wrapped up but there's dangling conflict/tension hooks with Shadow and maybe Rouge, if she's in the film. Credits roll.

Post-credits scene shows the destroyed facility/space station. The containment cell is smashed open due to the place's destruction, and we see water trickle out of it. Suddenly, the water begins to rise. Cut to black.

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#3229: Dec 23rd 2021 at 12:47:29 PM

Shadow was the Ultimate Life Form and the Biolizard the Flawed Prototype, for the record.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#3230: Dec 23rd 2021 at 12:55:43 PM

I once put together a plan/pilot for a Sonic tv show and for that I remember doing something similar - fusing Chaos and Shadow's plots together sequentially (so one right after the other, with Arc Welding). But the idea I had was that Eggman got the idea to pursue the Master Emerald / Chaos from Gerald Robotnik's notes, with Chaos being Gerald's first attempt to destroy the world before weaponizing the ARK. Essentially the arc was Eggman progressing with going through Gerald's ideas, not realizing until the end of Adventure 2 that these plans keep nearly destroying the planet on purpose.

Either way, the reason Chaos isn't much of a villain on his own is because the villain of Sonic Adventure is Eggman, with the Eggster taking up most of the actual villain contribution to the plot. Chaos is Dragon Ascendant. The story as written does need someone in Eggman's role if you're adapting the story 1 to 1. You could, however, replace him with - like - an ancient warrior Echidna who wants to continue Pachacamac's legacy or something.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 23rd 2021 at 12:57:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#3231: Dec 23rd 2021 at 1:36:26 PM

Ove theroried before that Tekal might get adaptional villiany in this continuity.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#3232: Dec 23rd 2021 at 7:03:24 PM

I sincerely doubt they'd do that- they're more likely to not adapt her at all than turn her into a villain for as long as they have Carrey to play Eggman.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#3233: Dec 24th 2021 at 2:52:48 AM

I feel like over 80% of Sonic memes involve Robotnik and/or Knuckles.

[nja]'d hard, but it's "& Knuckles" you philistine.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#3234: Dec 24th 2021 at 2:54:51 AM

So what do we know so far:

  • Sonic 1 was good enough to get a sequel
  • We got one directly before a lockdown and one almost directly after a lockdown
  • Knuckles is being voiced by black f-cking Superman
  • Carrey is back and onboard with the stache
  • Tails and Sonic are having an epic bromance
  • Tom is still around
  • The Tornado hasn't transformed yet

Something that's confused me is why super speed seems to be hand in hand with magical electric auras now. Flash has it in his TV show and they really over-do it in the films. Sonic never had electricity but has it now.

I'm thankful the X Men movies just decided on crazy CGI whooooosh scenes with elaborate physics instead of just tacking on electricity. I don't think Sonic really needed it.

I really have to go back and give this movie credit for Sonic's characterization. This is the most fun and interesting portrayal of his personality in a long time. Lost World excluded, I'd say since Sonic Adventure 2.

I mean he goes from fun-loving Looney Toon in this scene to just that subtle, worried glance he gives when he sees Tom, his only friend, in peril. And I just adore that.

And I can totally see Sonic being a fan of Fast and the Furious and I want this to be canon to the games now.

We even got a legit explanation for using the "quill energy" as the reason why Robotnik can fight Sonic. Heck, I guess I'll let the unnecessary magic electricity slide.

Damn this movie for being good. It took a worldwide pandemic but it was worth it.

Edited by FOFD on Dec 24th 2021 at 6:08:22 AM

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#3236: Dec 24th 2021 at 4:01:43 AM

Though as pointed out it is new to associate Sonic with lightning, when he's always been more wind-themed, when he's had any elemental association at all. Fast as Lightning, yes, but more importantly, Free As The Wind. I feel Sonic wouldn't mind not having super speed so long as nobody could keep him from going where the wind and his whims took him.

ElementX Since: Jan, 2001
#3237: Dec 24th 2021 at 5:22:54 AM

Tbf it seems like Knuckles might have the save thing going on in this movie. It looks like they might tie it to Chaos energy somehow.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#3238: Dec 24th 2021 at 4:59:47 PM

Which kind of invalidates Shadow's primary gimmick if Sonic and Knuckles just have it too. I hope they don't over-correct like the MK movie did and try to explain everybody as having Chaos powers.

Edited by FOFD on Dec 24th 2021 at 8:00:21 AM

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#3239: Dec 24th 2021 at 6:07:32 PM

One of the things that people criticized Shadow for was that he has no real ties to Sonic outside of appearances, so that would tie them together.

Sonic, Shadow, and Knuckles would all have some ties to Chaos energy in some way.

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#3240: Dec 24th 2021 at 6:36:32 PM

Wasn't Knuckles having Chaos Energy a Ken Penders thing?

I haven't read much of the Archie stuff, to be fair.

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#3242: Dec 24th 2021 at 9:59:16 PM

Its mostly from Classic purists that I generally speak to. One of the main reasons they don't like Shadow is that, unlike Metal Sonic, Shadow just inexplicably looks like and possesses all of Sonic's abilities. The fanon explanation is that Gerald based Shadow off of the Super Sonic mural in Sonic 3, but its just that...fanon.

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ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#3243: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:04:54 PM

I mean...considering we know Gerald went to Angel Island because of Sonic Battle and that Super Sonic and Shadow share the same quills AND that there's an altar for the master emerald in the A.R.K., I always thought that was supposed to be the implication.

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#3244: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:06:28 PM

Its still fanon though. IT hasn't been confirmed or denied either way, the fandoms just decided to accept it.

Like Super Sonic hasn't had the Shadow quills since SA 2, 20 years ago.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Dec 24th 2021 at 1:07:15 PM

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ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#3245: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:11:29 PM

I mean...that's Shadow's debut game. And maybe they just wanted to leave it as subtext?

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#3246: Dec 24th 2021 at 10:14:06 PM

We don't know, that's the bottom line. Nothing has been said or denied.

So fans are perfectly within their right to assume that Sonic and Shadow are only coincidently related.

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#3247: Dec 24th 2021 at 11:45:52 PM

Ah, yes, "if something isn't explicitly written out in plain text it's just made up because what are implications and subtext in storytelling?"

How fair is it to call something 'inexplicable' when you can very easily draw a logical conclusion from the data available to you but simply refuse to?

Edited by Perseus on Dec 25th 2021 at 6:56:53 AM

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#3248: Dec 24th 2021 at 11:59:36 PM

....because they can literally just add a plot point that contradicts it later?

What kind of question is This? "What's stopping this theory that's only supported in the fandom other than the creators who run it"

They're called headcanons for a reason.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Dec 25th 2021 at 3:02:23 PM

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#3249: Dec 25th 2021 at 12:06:17 AM

...as if them explicitly stating something stops them from adding a plot point that contradicts it later?

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#3250: Dec 25th 2021 at 12:12:33 AM

Yea, that's....exactly what I said?

I'm fairly certain when they were making those games, they weren't thinking along the same lines as the fandom.

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