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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#17301: Nov 13th 2024 at 6:36:10 PM

Especially compared to Traynor who is also a newcomer in 3 and whose romance progresses much more smoothly.

I kept expecting a chance to expose Traynor as a spy for the Alliance on Shepard. She, after all, is a dirty dirty Replacement Scrappy for Yeoman Kelly. I kept expecting a twist like the one in Citadel with Alt-Shepard's girlfriend.

I was Wrong Genre Savvy.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 13th 2024 at 6:36:24 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#17302: Nov 13th 2024 at 10:51:33 PM

Samantha and Steve were such great characters. My favorite additions.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#17303: Nov 13th 2024 at 10:53:50 PM

STEVE!

I’m okay.

You sure?

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king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
Have Faun
#17304: Nov 13th 2024 at 11:12:35 PM

[up][up][up]How dare you!. I mean, I like Kelly, but Traynor's great.

[up][up][up][up][up][up]To be fair, it's not like that game isn't without it's male Fanservice. Jacob with his shirt off, Thane bearing some of his chest (though that's explained I'm narrative).

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#17305: Nov 14th 2024 at 2:39:42 AM

I think his point was that he thought Sam was a Replacement Scrappy but ended up being wrong.

And honestly, Kelly is annoying as hell. I can check my Messages myself, thank you very much Madame!

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#17306: Nov 14th 2024 at 2:40:53 AM

[up] But will you remember to feed your fish?

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#17307: Nov 14th 2024 at 2:47:29 AM

Who needs Fish, I have a Space Hamster tongue

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#17308: Nov 14th 2024 at 3:25:20 AM

I think his point was that he thought Sam was a Replacement Scrappy but ended up being wrong.

Well I romanced Kelly as a Male Shepard so I also get the impression I missed a lot of Traynor content and have the fact she's using my bathtub without permission.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh Since: Nov, 2020
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
#17309: Nov 14th 2024 at 3:32:46 AM

Kelly is a fine character.

Traynor is a dorky MIT genius who also might tell you to check your messages from time to time when she's not busy decrypting ultra-secret communications. And she gets one of the best Citadel scenes (which is saying something).

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#17310: Nov 14th 2024 at 5:16:52 AM

[up][up] Even without romancing Traynor, she gets lots of great content. Her awkwardness is a lot of fun, she gets to grow as a character as she becomes more confident, and, hey, we actually get to see her (or at least overhear her) interact with other characters, unlike Kelly.

I do feel like more could've been done with Kelly as unofficial ship therapist. Updates on the mental state of the crew, and more insights into the mental states of the squad. She gives a brief overview of the personality of anyone you recruit, and that's it. It would've been cool for her to talk about each squad mate when letting you know they want to talk about their loyalty mission, and then talk about them again after each loyalty mission, with a little bit of variation depending on how you resolve each one. Convince Miranda to talk with Oriana? "Ms. Lawson's been a lot warmer lately. I don't know what happened on that mission, but she seems happier." Miranda doesn't talk to Oriana? "Ms. Lawson was never really the type to fraternize, but lately, she seems to be distancing herself even more. I don't know what happened on that mission, but she seems more determined to be alone." Something like that.

Just a thought I just had.

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king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
Have Faun
#17311: Nov 14th 2024 at 5:24:14 AM

To be fair, Kelly is a lot better at reading people than people give her credit for. She's the only person on the ship to, without spying as Kasumi does, realise something is wrong if Morinth is impersonating Samara. As for her therapist skills, maybe she uses them more on the various minor crew members we see. The squad mates aren't the only people working the Normandy, after all. It's probably enough for her to go "Commander, your squadmates are upset, go have a chart with them" and then focus on helping the other crew members.

FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#17312: Nov 14th 2024 at 5:35:01 AM

though the non romance version is funny too

Close up

"Kick her ass"

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#17313: Nov 14th 2024 at 4:52:00 PM

[up][up] That's why I said it would've been neat if she also commented on the state of the crew. "Eden Prime's shaken everyone up a bit, but it's also reminded them of how important our mission is. And it showed us all that the Collectors aren't invincible, which has been great for morale." "That encounter with the Collector Ship scared a lot of the crew. I'm doing what I can to keep everyone's spirits up." Little bits like that.

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Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#17314: Nov 14th 2024 at 10:23:20 PM

I do wish we got random alien crewmates. It's weird that if it's an alien, they're a party member. I mean I guess it makes sense in 1 and 2, but surely in 3...

Edited by Ookamikun on Nov 14th 2024 at 10:23:34 AM

FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#17315: Nov 14th 2024 at 10:45:35 PM

The factions aren't the Federation yet i mean even for a joint venture ship the Normandy is mostly Humans

It would have been nice that as you go about your missions more races join to staff the ship 'though the Geth would be arkward' but that wouldn't have made much sense cause you hook right back up with the Alliance Fleet relatively quick

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NHunter from a certain asteroid with two towers Since: Jan, 2016
#17316: Nov 14th 2024 at 10:48:10 PM

[up][up] It makes sense for the first part of ME3 as you've just left Earth. But there definitely should've been some non-Human NPC crew members on Normandy afterwards. Picked a bunch of Asari and/or Turians from that random planet in the ass end of nowhere? A couple decides to stay and complement your marines. Saved a Volus merchant? He now assists with resource management. Etc.

I want to believe that it's technical reasons that prevented that from being a thing in the game.

Edited by NHunter on Nov 14th 2024 at 2:48:28 PM

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#17317: Nov 15th 2024 at 4:13:51 AM

Not sure that makes sense given the war and how the focus on the game is getting the Crucible up and running. The game paints all of the work of the war effort being focused on getting that thing operational, hence why experts you recruit are all being sent there to work on it, while the Normandy should have everyone onboard that is required to operate long term after your first stop at the Citadel.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#17318: Nov 15th 2024 at 10:29:24 AM

I liked it when Kirahe and his squad hitched a ride off Virmire. Wished there were more moments like that.

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Wabbawabbajack Margrave of the Marshes from Elbows out Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Awaiting my mail-order bride
Margrave of the Marshes
#17319: Nov 15th 2024 at 2:18:41 PM

You sorta get that in 3, with the geth, krogans, turians, quarians, etc, spending time aboard for diplomatic reasons.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#17320: Nov 15th 2024 at 3:45:19 PM

Yeah, having an alien crew wouldn't make sense in any of the games, partly because for 1 and 3 the Normandy is a ship from the Systems Alliance, a human polity. Why would there be alien crewmates beyond your party members?

Not to mention 2 is Cerberus, a rabidly human supremacist faction. The only reason your party members are there at all is because they're needed for the mission.

king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
Have Faun
#17321: Nov 15th 2024 at 3:46:27 PM

I think you could easily handwave it for 3: the Alliance is in tatters so you bolster it with volunteers across the different alien races.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#17322: Nov 15th 2024 at 4:18:46 PM

Renegade Shepard: I don't know if I can put my trust in a Turian.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
#17323: Nov 15th 2024 at 5:07:36 PM

Although the Normandy is a Systems Alliance ship, it was a joint venture between humans and turians.

Though really, the obvious answer is that there's no time in 3 to accomodate a greater proportion of alien crewmembers and make sure they're comfortable and have their needs met. It's one thing to have a minority of squadmates and the occasional visitor, it's another to get supplies for a completely disparate crew. The logistics would be phenomenally stretched. Not to mention the time spent on training for everyone's varied military doctrines.

Edited by Resileafs on Nov 15th 2024 at 8:09:37 AM

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#17324: Nov 15th 2024 at 7:56:47 PM

Also it sucks we never get to see the weapon (forgot its name) outside of the final battle.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#17325: Nov 26th 2024 at 11:02:44 AM

Not directly related to ME, but: Casey Hudson's studio closes down

https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/26/24306508/bioware-casey-hudson-humanoid-origin-shut-down

Edited by Forenperser on Nov 26th 2024 at 8:02:51 PM

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