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  • This thread is for discussing individual self-demonstrating character pages. However, it was determined that consensus regarding whether such pages are or aren't necessary or beneficial to the wiki needs to be determined before discussing individual pages, as stated in this mod statement, so this thread has been locked in the meantime. Please join the policy discussion in this thread on the Wiki Talk forum.

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So apparently the self-demonstrating page I created for Charizard was deleted. I could somehow sense that the character articles were getting out of hand, but since nobody really had a problem with it I just decided to run with it.

However, this deletion hints that rules should be in place for self-demonstrating character pages, so does anyone have suggestions for what the rules should be?

I have a few:

  • Deadpool has one, no questions asked (even if everyone else's are deleted). Especially Charizard's.
  • The character must be able to speak English (or other intelligible languages), except for Rule of Funny (like with Groot's page). Charizard violated this rule. Kyoko's page is fine since she'd be speaking Japanese, for example, which is simply "translated" for reader convenience (largely based on the official subtitles).
  • There can be a forum thread where people can post their drafts and suggestions for character pages, similar to the Fanon Pokédex. In this case, new character pages can't be started without being reviewed in the thread. This is to avoid having the wiki oversaturated with pages for characters with boring personalities (like Shu Ouma) or ones with strange speech patterns that aren't for Rule of Funny purposes like Charizard. I can just imagine the chaos that would have ensued if other tropers had decided to follow my lead and create Pokémon Speak pages for about 30 other species of Pokémon.

Any thoughts?

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 4th 2024 at 11:22:35 AM

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Charlie Disco
#1126: Oct 16th 2024 at 8:06:47 PM

yea true

we should, probably ask DJ to cut it out with the influx of SD ideas, a lot of em don't look like they'll stick

"And for one night only...you can get your revenge."
AK47Productions Since: Feb, 2013
#1127: Oct 16th 2024 at 8:16:06 PM

Honestly, I'd be in favor of axing the entire Fan Works barring Loudward who at least has the unique voice qualifier and could be easier to write for compared to characters straight out of random fanfics.

Edited by AK47Productions on Oct 16th 2024 at 8:19:00 AM

DJ102202 The Pop Culture Expert and Fanfiction author. from North Carolina Since: Oct, 2024 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#1128: Oct 17th 2024 at 4:55:31 PM

I'm just trying to put in some variety in the mix. I do know that even characters from different fan works need some self-demonstrating pages too.

I'm here to help in some form. If on the Self-Demonstrating Character Pages forums, helping out on new characters or something like that.
DJ102202 The Pop Culture Expert and Fanfiction author. from North Carolina Since: Oct, 2024 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#1129: Oct 17th 2024 at 5:22:43 PM

Okay, here's a copy from the PM.

Here is something to help prove the case that it will make the Fan Works stick the Self-Demonstrating pages in some form. Elements of Justice has a voice cast, same goes for Turnabout Storm, and according to the author of SMG4: Love & Cephalopods thought Desti's voice could be Carol Manuel, Erica Lindback, Karen Strassman, and even Amanda Hufford for a voice for her.

I'm here to help in some form. If on the Self-Demonstrating Character Pages forums, helping out on new characters or something like that.
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#1130: Oct 17th 2024 at 5:41:22 PM

Okay, I see there's some miscommunication going on here; "Voice" is simply referring to the guidelines already on the SD page. What's important is that the character has a certain way of speaking/interacting that translates in an interesting way to text and doesn't just rely on ppl being already familiar with how the voice actors sound.

Without knowing what the character sounds like in a verbal conversation, can you write a character that is as interesting to read as they are to listen to?

Like, what would make a character like Ryu be fun to read along with in a unique way?

Edited by IkeaHan on Oct 17th 2024 at 5:48:38 AM

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#1131: Oct 17th 2024 at 5:56:58 PM

yeah this is what's got past pages axed in the present, e.g sonic, kenshiro and the original tommy page for not being unique enough

Edited by pizzastropes180 on Oct 17th 2024 at 5:57:07 AM

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#1132: Oct 17th 2024 at 5:58:52 PM

Maybe take some inspiration from many different materials, ranging from the games to other mediums. Like for example, he could mention his cameos in Wreck-It Ralph and Ready Player One (2018). Another is The Comically Serious side of him would appear from time to time.

Edited by DJ102202 on Oct 17th 2024 at 8:59:06 AM

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#1133: Oct 17th 2024 at 6:09:33 PM

Okay? Do those cameos translate to specific quirks or traits? (Think all the character tropes we got like The Comically Serious; is there more that makes his dialogue particularly funny or interesting?)

If we were to make a new Sonic page for example, you could lean into his arrogant, Totally Radical attitude and make his trope descriptions opportunities to brag and show off.

Edited by IkeaHan on Oct 17th 2024 at 6:11:01 AM

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#1134: Oct 17th 2024 at 6:13:01 PM

yea thats like

1000% better than just compositing his cameos

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#1135: Oct 17th 2024 at 6:14:31 PM

In a way on a Sonic page, that works well. For a Ryu page, maybe his mentor side from Street Fighter 6 work well.

I'm here to help in some form. If on the Self-Demonstrating Character Pages forums, helping out on new characters or something like that.
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#1136: Oct 17th 2024 at 6:15:48 PM

Sure, maybe he's conducting the page like a fighting game tutorial?

Edited by IkeaHan on Oct 17th 2024 at 6:15:58 AM

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#1137: Oct 17th 2024 at 6:17:19 PM

Maybe we oughta tighten up the rules/suggestions on the ideas page to get people thinking more about stuff like this.

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#1138: Oct 17th 2024 at 6:23:17 PM

Well, Ryu acting like a fighting game tutorial sounds good in a way since he is the World Warrior after all, as well as The Mentor of Gouken's varation of the art of the Ansatsuken.

I'm here to help in some form. If on the Self-Demonstrating Character Pages forums, helping out on new characters or something like that.
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#1139: Oct 18th 2024 at 12:30:44 AM

How big are we expecting these pages to be before they're launched?

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#1140: Oct 18th 2024 at 12:34:51 AM

i think it only really matters that we get atleast 5-to-10 starting tropes, a complete summary and a page image

"And for one night only...you can get your revenge."
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#1141: Oct 18th 2024 at 5:28:03 AM

That is a good estimation in a way.

I'm here to help in some form. If on the Self-Demonstrating Character Pages forums, helping out on new characters or something like that.
Pikmin404 Since: Jan, 2023 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#1142: Oct 18th 2024 at 2:05:34 PM

I'm new to SDCP. Are there any other rules/suggestions I should look out for besides the main three?

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#1143: Oct 18th 2024 at 2:09:30 PM

always make sure to give it flair like, add accents, write it the way the character you propose speaks

and we have a no tolerance policy on Pokémon Speak, it gets a bit too difficult to keep those feeling like, the character in question

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#1144: Oct 18th 2024 at 4:45:48 PM

What do you mean by "give it flair like"?

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Charlie Disco
#1145: Oct 18th 2024 at 4:48:20 PM

i literally just said it

make it feel less like a generic first person story, make it feel like the character wrote it - use their accent if you gotta, add them reacting to things more realistically n stuff

"And for one night only...you can get your revenge."
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#1146: Oct 18th 2024 at 4:55:05 PM

Ah, my bad. I thought all the points were mutually exclusive but instead they were a part of the first point.

Thanks for the help. [tup]

Edited by Pikmin404 on Oct 18th 2024 at 5:02:47 AM

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#1147: Oct 18th 2024 at 7:32:48 PM

I feel like it'd be better to have a page for both Wiz and Boomstick instead of each having their own; I'm not sure either of them would stand out as much if they didn't have each other to bounce off of. Would anyone want to read over Boomstick and see what they think?

Edited by IkeaHan on Oct 18th 2024 at 7:33:01 AM

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#1148: Oct 18th 2024 at 7:39:06 PM

i have read it a few times - while it IS sorta aight, i DO agree that we merge wiz & boomsticks pages. it just works better that way

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AK47Productions Since: Feb, 2013
#1149: Oct 18th 2024 at 7:43:41 PM

[up][up]Agreed with the two posts above, they're already a duo canonically so they can clearly work better off of one another instead of just being solo.

Also to be blunt, I'm looking at Wiz's page in the sandbox and it just ain't clicking for me personally. Yeah I know it's obviously under construction but it still kinda reminds me of all those SDs that got cleaned up/deleted en masse a few years ago. The kind that don't really stand out voice/tone wise while only listing a handful of tropes and called it a day.

Edited by AK47Productions on Oct 18th 2024 at 7:45:57 AM

IkeaHan Franchouchou Sponsor from Kamurocho, Tokyo Since: May, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#1150: Oct 19th 2024 at 10:57:20 PM

So is there something we should do? Perhaps chat with who's editing either character's folders the most?

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