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So apparently the self-demonstrating page I created for Charizard was deleted. I could somehow sense that the character articles were getting out of hand, but since nobody really had a problem with it I just decided to run with it.

However, this deletion hints that rules should be in place for self-demonstrating character pages, so does anyone have suggestions for what the rules should be?

I have a few:

  • Deadpool has one, no questions asked (even if everyone else's are deleted). Especially Charizard's.
  • The character must be able to speak English (or other intelligible languages), except for Rule of Funny (like with Groot's page). Charizard violated this rule. Kyoko's page is fine since she'd be speaking Japanese, for example, which is simply "translated" for reader convenience (largely based on the official subtitles).
  • There can be a forum thread where people can post their drafts and suggestions for character pages, similar to the Fanon Pokédex. In this case, new character pages can't be started without being reviewed in the thread. This is to avoid having the wiki oversaturated with pages for characters with boring personalities (like Shu Ouma) or ones with strange speech patterns that aren't for Rule of Funny purposes like Charizard. I can just imagine the chaos that would have ensued if other tropers had decided to follow my lead and create Pokémon Speak pages for about 30 other species of Pokémon.

Any thoughts?

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 4th 2024 at 11:22:35 AM

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#1026: Oct 9th 2024 at 5:49:11 PM

[up][up] counterpoint: starwalker fits the tv tropes weird crossover angle succesfully and frieza would be wasting product

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AlicornGaia Fishy from Mega Man Zero Earth Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Fishy
#1027: Oct 9th 2024 at 6:05:54 PM

Fair.

I guess Vegeta could join the hero squad in stopping her since he won’t stand for Makima and her control tendencies (remembering how going Majin is kinda similar to the control devil).

Oh and to have her be the ultimate threat she has Frieza as her lap dog. Yes. Black Frieza is at her beck and call.

Though why no Buu is because she tried and realized that she’s trying to control an idiot so nopes out of there.

Edited by AlicornGaia on Oct 9th 2024 at 9:06:06 PM

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#1028: Oct 9th 2024 at 6:59:55 PM

I honestly feel that granting Makima dominion over someone like Frieza or Sephiroth could bring her close to Villain Sue territory. I feel like they'd either join Hades and Megatron's alliance, or refuse to join anyone and just fight on their own (especially Frieza since he's so arrogant and probably thinks he can overpower the entire Empire).

Anyway! I'll be working on Gojo's entry in the sandbox in just a bit.

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#1029: Oct 9th 2024 at 7:39:41 PM

Ok fair…

You know I am thinking that she would be somewhat aware that Vegeta had that shit done to him before (Majin Vegeta) and will never allow it, especially since it will provide absolutely no benefit to him.

If Babidi has his own page here I am sure Makima will be surprised that he had done the mind control thing before.

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#1030: Oct 9th 2024 at 8:17:27 PM

Got a teeny bit done for Gojo; how are the tone and characterization looking so far? I'm finding it a bit hard at times. I feel like there's this "Gojo" essence that I just haven't been able to capture yet. Feel free to edit it yourselves too. I'm at least happy with the image I found for it.

Edited by 2HeadedMoonOctopus on Oct 9th 2024 at 11:26:05 AM

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#1031: Oct 9th 2024 at 11:02:07 PM

i say it works really well, and i will request two things

we all hold a vote to see if gojo's page is where we put in the arc finale

and that makima tries to control gojo again only for him to meow just to piss her off. thats a gojo thing he'd do

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#1032: Oct 10th 2024 at 2:31:03 AM

[up]Sure we can hold a vote for that.

I'd say [tdown] purely because it means that actually posting Gojo's page would be delayed, and I also want him to play a larger role in the crossover. Maybe it can be on the page for some 11th hour force that ends up popping up and turns the tides, but I'm okay either way. (e.g. for example if Sora shows up and gives the heroes the boost they need, which would also fit with how he was introduced in Smash), or can even be added to Starwalker's page retroactively.

Also, Death Is Cheap in this multiverse as characters simply end up in Hades' Underworld, and I VERY highly doubt that Nayuta would merit her own page, so what would the next arc be after this one?

Big [tup] for the meowing thing though. Maybe it can be Gojo's Pre-Asskicking One-Liner.

I'm also having second thoughts about Makima recruiting an overpowered, DBZ-tier villain. When Gojo's page is created, I'm planning to have him willingly join the heroes, and it'd cue an Oh, Crap! moment from Makima. She'll remember the time he beat her in DEATH BATTLE! and that she'll need to recruit someone who can overpower him, or at least help her win this time. She'll have to check how Gojo was killed in the manga and find someone who can match or replicate that sort of thing, or at least seal him inside something like the Prison Realm. I'm thinking that maybe this time, once the two meet face-to-face again for the first time, Makima No Sells Unlimited Void by offloading all the brain damage to the entire populations of various planets whose leaders were forced to make contracts with Makima as Empress. Not only can Gojo not use Unlimited Void multiple times in a row, but he'd realize that Makima would commit genocide on multiple planets every time he uses it and he'd have to grapple with that.

Edited by 2HeadedMoonOctopus on Oct 10th 2024 at 6:24:17 AM

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#1033: Oct 10th 2024 at 10:17:50 AM

i am not sure who to say she has to bring in, maybe frieza but on the caveat she finds him more sellable planets to avoid making her too OP

also yea, starwalker having the ending would fit, unfortunately i don't see sora having a unique enough voice to earn himself a page

that, and I've been thinking about giving slim shady a page-

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#1034: Oct 10th 2024 at 11:23:16 AM

[up]I already though of the comparisons and (at the very least) gave Makima SCP-682 to begin with, since its adaptive ability is similar to Mahoraga which is what let Sukuna kill Gojo in the manga. She'll definitely be on the lookout for things of similar or higher power level, or that at least let her deal with Gojo specifically.

Sora was just an example, but yeah I have a feeling that since Starwalker doesn't have an extended story stinger, their page might be the best place for the ending.

Edited by 2HeadedMoonOctopus on Oct 10th 2024 at 2:24:01 PM

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#1035: Oct 10th 2024 at 11:49:32 AM

ye that, and i kiinda wanna give slim and bray wyatt a rivarly, maybe that could be the second major conflict-

Edited by pizzastropes180 on Oct 10th 2024 at 11:49:44 AM

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#1036: Oct 10th 2024 at 12:34:25 PM

I have an idea regarding the teams — I'd like to add a "neutral-ish" team led by Clarkson, Hammond and May, probably called the "Team of Genius" and maybe involving Robbie Rotten as well.

And if they have a role in ending Makima, the "act of love" is Jeremy treating her to a Bloody Awful (as in the drink he made that involved bovril, raw beef and bricks — with everyone around them surprised that even qualified as an "act of love").

Edited by DongwaChan on Oct 10th 2024 at 3:35:42 PM

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#1037: Oct 10th 2024 at 12:57:17 PM

[up] were doing this, and plus this is a good excuse to get hanks page up and running, he's been in the sandbox for too long

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DongwaChan (Apprentice)
#1038: Oct 10th 2024 at 12:59:46 PM

[up] I'll get his page up

EDIT: It's up!

Edited by DongwaChan on Oct 10th 2024 at 4:04:54 AM

DongwaChan (Apprentice)
#1039: Oct 10th 2024 at 1:12:58 PM

Maybe Scott Steiner could be on a team if he isn't on one already?

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#1040: Oct 10th 2024 at 1:27:52 PM

let him join team neutral too

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DongwaChan (Apprentice)
#1041: Oct 10th 2024 at 1:29:03 PM

[up] Grand! Which page could have the first stinger involving the formation of the neutral team?

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#1042: Oct 10th 2024 at 1:29:38 PM

still say its hank, think the top gun trio already has a lore stinger

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#1044: Oct 10th 2024 at 2:59:17 PM

[up]We can always put major battles on their own pages in the Just for Fun namespace, such as JustForFun.Battle Of Arlen for example.

Also, I really feel like either Starwalker or Gojo (again) is the best and most neutral choice for getting rid of Makima.

Btw could someone explain the whole Anti-Life Equation thing to me? I want to be able to deal with it properly when writing more. I know (and like) the fact that Megs is planning to simply use it for himself when all's said and done.

Edited by 2HeadedMoonOctopus on Oct 10th 2024 at 6:04:23 AM

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#1045: Oct 10th 2024 at 3:28:31 PM

[up] we've unanimously agreed the killing blow will be dealt by starwalker, hank and james but fugit we can throw in gojo

id say megs would probably use thr anti life equation to blow up TTG-

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Dr. Jr.
#1046: Oct 10th 2024 at 3:40:57 PM

[up]I would say Denji too (maybe even for the FINAL final blow) but don't want there to be too much Chainsaw Man bias it it bothers people. At the same time I personallyreally don't want Scott Steiner to be inserted into the final blow for some reason, he's already showing up absolutely everywhere so it'd feel like Character Shilling.

Personally, I'd love to see Starwalker deal the killing blow partly bc of personal bias, but also for the following exchange spoofing Endgame:

Makima: I... am inevitable.

O.S.W.: And I'm the original        Starwalker

(Makima explodes or whatever)

What is the Anti-Life Equation btw?

Edited by 2HeadedMoonOctopus on Oct 10th 2024 at 6:48:02 AM

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#1047: Oct 10th 2024 at 5:56:04 PM

ALEQ is pretty much the concept of nihilism, whoever wields it and doesn't fall to despair immedeately is essentially able to manipulate free will

darkseid really wants this thing for genocide reasons-

Edited by pizzastropes180 on Oct 10th 2024 at 5:56:20 AM

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Fishy
#1048: Oct 10th 2024 at 6:31:51 PM

Not genocide but multiversal domination. He wants to ensure absolute control and that everyone is given definitive proof that all freedom and hope are meaningless and therefore will submit themselves to the welder of the anti-life.

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#1049: Oct 10th 2024 at 6:46:37 PM

that DOES lead me into my weird idea for slim shady's page:

what if in the future he just snatches the anti-life equation and runs off with it, not even to dominate everything he just...does it to be an asshole

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#1050: Oct 10th 2024 at 7:03:06 PM

What if in a later battle, the true Chainsaw Man awakens again and Makima feeds him the Anti-Life Devil, thus purging the ALEQ from Megatron's body and from existence?

Either that, or one of the HEROES gets the Anti-Life Equation. Maybe Gojo uses Unlimited Void on Megs to transfer it to his body, and commits a Heroic Sacrifice to get rid of it... only to end up in Hades' Underworld.

As much as I want to give it to Makima, I don't want to push her into Villain Sue territory. I wouldn't be against Vader taking it and usurping her, however.

Edited by 2HeadedMoonOctopus on Oct 10th 2024 at 10:06:11 AM

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