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  • This thread is for discussing individual self-demonstrating character pages. However, it was determined that consensus regarding whether such pages are or aren't necessary or beneficial to the wiki needs to be determined before discussing individual pages, as stated in this mod statement, so this thread has been locked in the meantime. Please join the policy discussion in this thread on the Wiki Talk forum.

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So apparently the self-demonstrating page I created for Charizard was deleted. I could somehow sense that the character articles were getting out of hand, but since nobody really had a problem with it I just decided to run with it.

However, this deletion hints that rules should be in place for self-demonstrating character pages, so does anyone have suggestions for what the rules should be?

I have a few:

  • Deadpool has one, no questions asked (even if everyone else's are deleted). Especially Charizard's.
  • The character must be able to speak English (or other intelligible languages), except for Rule of Funny (like with Groot's page). Charizard violated this rule. Kyoko's page is fine since she'd be speaking Japanese, for example, which is simply "translated" for reader convenience (largely based on the official subtitles).
  • There can be a forum thread where people can post their drafts and suggestions for character pages, similar to the Fanon Pokédex. In this case, new character pages can't be started without being reviewed in the thread. This is to avoid having the wiki oversaturated with pages for characters with boring personalities (like Shu Ouma) or ones with strange speech patterns that aren't for Rule of Funny purposes like Charizard. I can just imagine the chaos that would have ensued if other tropers had decided to follow my lead and create Pokémon Speak pages for about 30 other species of Pokémon.

Any thoughts?

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 4th 2024 at 11:22:35 AM

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#926: Sep 28th 2024 at 12:03:01 PM

I feel there should be a rule and it be pinned that new SD pages should be vetted to see if someone has a unique speech pattern.

As for SelfDemonstrating.Makima, I'm not sure. One would need to re-check the manga, but I have doubts she calls everyone good dogs every two seconds.

Edited by Amonimus on Sep 28th 2024 at 10:03:11 PM

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#927: Sep 28th 2024 at 12:07:46 PM

[up]The unique speech pattern isn't really the "good dogs" thing, it's more her nature as a condescending villain incapable of empathy who sees everyone else as below her, and who hides it under a veneer of politeness and allure, which is in line with pages such as Freeza, Light Yagami and Mewtwo to different extents. The treating people like dogs and calling them as such is played up a bit from the manga for the sake of establishing her unique voice, but is very much present, especially with how she treats Denji like a dog directly. I also tried to infuse the page with the perspective that she truly believes that she is above everyone else and that the way she views the world is just the natural order of things, not just "these are the things she thinks and these are the tropes that correspond to them".

IIRC (as I wrote it), the previous (now deleted) version of the page was just her regular character trope page translated to the first person and with a few of her quotes and memes thrown in, so I wanted to do better than that this time.

Edited by 2HeadedMoonOctopus on Sep 28th 2024 at 3:11:42 PM

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#928: Sep 28th 2024 at 11:36:18 PM

Speaking of which I probably want to do yet another overhaul of all the beings that Dr eggman has mentioned on his page.

Like seriously why is he mentioning almost everyone? I might restore it to how it was but only those that he has a degree of connection: Like Bowser and Vegeta.

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#929: Sep 29th 2024 at 9:33:02 AM

Yeah, also the Scott Steiner page pretty much mentions everyone as well.

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#930: Sep 29th 2024 at 3:30:13 PM

It could work as a Long List format in theory, but it almost never turns out that way in practice.

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#931: Sep 29th 2024 at 5:07:57 PM

Just now, I've considered making a page for the titular character of Scooby-Doo. He already has a pretty iconic and unique speech pattern (and considering that Shaggy already has a page, it is possible Scooby could have one too).

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#932: Sep 29th 2024 at 6:25:35 PM

[up] [tup] to a Scooby Self-Demonstrating page.

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#933: Sep 29th 2024 at 6:41:29 PM

[up][up] i say as long as it doesn't sound like first person troping it can work, that and scoob reacting to the other self demo cast would be funny

speaking of funny, i kinda wanna try giving abridged alucard another go at a page. his last one was kind of shit and that sucks because he DOES have quirks that can fit a self-demo, but whoever wrote that didn't, do so well about its

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#934: Sep 30th 2024 at 6:45:07 AM

Has nobody tried a Scooby Doo page before? Without checking, I would have assumed we already had that.

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#935: Oct 2nd 2024 at 5:12:55 PM

For some reason, I was thinking of doing a page for Barney the Dinosaur just for the opportunity to make the whole "Beast Wars Megatron = Barney" joke come full circle when it comes time for the typical interactions section of a page. I think he has enough quirks that could translate well into an article.

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#936: Oct 2nd 2024 at 5:30:55 PM

[up]I have a better idea: start the page off as normal, then have Barney realize that his "Uncle Gnashy" is coming to visit. Said Uncle Gnashy turns out to be Megs, who makes good on his promise and eviscerates Barney, turning him into a new Predacon base. Megs then directs people to his own page and ends the Barney article. For bonus points, have Patrick be a literal guest star for the "normal" portion of the page since he's known for his extreme stupidity and stupid characters liking Barney is a common joke, then have The Stinger be Patrick saying "B-but why did you kill Barney?"

If having it at SelfDemonstrating.Barney bothers the 3 people who wanted an actual page for him, the address can be something like JustForFun.Self Demonstrating Barney instead, with the former being a redirect. I feel like an unironic Barney article would mark the start of SD article bloat and would probably invite further degradation of the concept, which would lead to lots and lots of pruning down the line.

Edited by 2HeadedMoonOctopus on Oct 2nd 2024 at 8:40:16 AM

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AlicornGaia Fishy from Mega Man Zero Earth Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Fishy
#937: Oct 2nd 2024 at 5:44:23 PM

A just for fun page?

You know that might be a good testing around for other characters like Son Goku.

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#938: Oct 2nd 2024 at 5:55:39 PM

Yeah I feel like a Barney page could be an outright parody of bad SD pages. I even have an outline in mind:

  • The page is narrated in the second person. You're browsing TV Tropes when all of a sudden, you see a purple dinosaur plush.
  • Surely HE can't have his own SD page, can he? An impending sense of dread comes over you.
  • Barney comes to life and greets you. You scream internally. The whole thing has an exaggerated Faux Horrific angle.
  • Barney invited his new friend Patrick over, despite SpongeBob's concern for his best friend. Barney and Patrick play together as they wait for Uncle Gnashy.
  • Then the whole Megs killing Barney thing happens. You're horrified at the polyester carnage, but it's somehow less horrifying than Barney being alive.

Also, the "play this music when reading this page" header links to the Carmina Burana.

Edited by 2HeadedMoonOctopus on Oct 2nd 2024 at 8:58:54 AM

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#939: Oct 2nd 2024 at 5:56:56 PM

You know, I'm okay with this idea

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#940: Oct 2nd 2024 at 6:00:42 PM

god please let this happen

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#941: Oct 2nd 2024 at 6:02:03 PM

Oh! If we give this a go, I feel it should be at DarthWiki.Self Demonstrating Barney. The Darth Wiki feels like the perfect home for it.

Edited by 2HeadedMoonOctopus on Oct 2nd 2024 at 9:02:37 AM

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DongwaChan (Apprentice)
#942: Oct 3rd 2024 at 7:25:55 AM

[up] I agree with AlicornGaia's idea of using a Just For Fun page as a sort-of "sandbox" for testing characters for if they meet the self-demonstrating page criteria.

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#943: Oct 3rd 2024 at 8:21:46 AM

ooo, me likey

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#944: Oct 3rd 2024 at 8:32:00 AM

Before relaunching Makima's page, I actually used the Sandbox namespace rather than the Just for Fun one

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DongwaChan (Apprentice)
#945: Oct 3rd 2024 at 8:40:48 AM

I'm thinking the Self-Demonstrating sandbox could be separated into two sections — one for characters that need some tinkering before they get a proper page, and one for characters more likely to get a SD page.

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#946: Oct 3rd 2024 at 9:57:52 AM

i say we do this idea, and for fun we can kinda envision it as an audition booth

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DongwaChan (Apprentice)
#947: Oct 3rd 2024 at 12:01:24 PM

[up] Agreed! I already have some characters I've wanted to do pages for on my mind, and maybe this page could be an opportunity to consider whether or not they would work.

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#948: Oct 3rd 2024 at 2:37:00 PM

I’m not talented enough to do it myself, but I’d like to pitch one for Ibuki Mioda since her mannerisms are indisputably distinct enough for it to work.

Edited by Spinosegnosaurus77 on Oct 3rd 2024 at 5:37:16 AM

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#949: Oct 3rd 2024 at 3:18:33 PM

ok i may bite

i may make a page for the postal dude because one, not only would he translate well with all the stoopid lil jokes in source, i can try framing his check-out-the-others folder as him trying to get the rest of the index to sign the petiton-

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DongwaChan (Apprentice)
#950: Oct 3rd 2024 at 3:43:00 PM

[up] Well, considering the discussions about a sandbox for self-demonstrating character pages, we could put them there first.


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