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  • This thread is for discussing individual self-demonstrating character pages. However, it was determined that consensus regarding whether such pages are or aren't necessary or beneficial to the wiki needs to be determined before discussing individual pages, as stated in this mod statement, so this thread has been locked in the meantime. Please join the policy discussion in this thread on the Wiki Talk forum.

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So apparently the self-demonstrating page I created for Charizard was deleted. I could somehow sense that the character articles were getting out of hand, but since nobody really had a problem with it I just decided to run with it.

However, this deletion hints that rules should be in place for self-demonstrating character pages, so does anyone have suggestions for what the rules should be?

I have a few:

  • Deadpool has one, no questions asked (even if everyone else's are deleted). Especially Charizard's.
  • The character must be able to speak English (or other intelligible languages), except for Rule of Funny (like with Groot's page). Charizard violated this rule. Kyoko's page is fine since she'd be speaking Japanese, for example, which is simply "translated" for reader convenience (largely based on the official subtitles).
  • There can be a forum thread where people can post their drafts and suggestions for character pages, similar to the Fanon Pokédex. In this case, new character pages can't be started without being reviewed in the thread. This is to avoid having the wiki oversaturated with pages for characters with boring personalities (like Shu Ouma) or ones with strange speech patterns that aren't for Rule of Funny purposes like Charizard. I can just imagine the chaos that would have ensued if other tropers had decided to follow my lead and create Pokémon Speak pages for about 30 other species of Pokémon.

Any thoughts?

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 4th 2024 at 11:22:35 AM

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#676: Oct 28th 2021 at 7:42:23 PM

It's been updated. Only issues is a few easy typos, and that it switches between present and past. And indexing? I haven't looked to see if there is a proper index for them, though?

And that's it for grammar/consistency. Otherwise, seems to fit the character pretty well, imo.

Edited by Irene on Oct 28th 2021 at 9:44:16 AM

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bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
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#677: Nov 15th 2021 at 5:15:56 PM

SelfDemonstrating.Superman just created. Seems to be the usual.

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PhantomDusclops92 Nitpicky Nitwit from Italy Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
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#678: Nov 17th 2021 at 2:53:50 PM

SelfDemonstrating.Bob Hale is up since last July and, while looking promising, it haves no examples.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#679: Dec 2nd 2021 at 6:57:24 AM

SelfDemonstrating.Naruto Uzumaki is a completely voiceless stub. Any objection to a quick cut?

Superman there seems entirely voiceless and I cannot fathom how it possibly could be fixed.

Bob Hale looks like it could be workable, but it's been a stub for half a year so... leaning towards a cut.

Edited by Larkmarn on Dec 2nd 2021 at 9:58:04 AM

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bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
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#680: Dec 2nd 2021 at 10:56:21 AM

[up] [tup] to cutting all three.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#681: Dec 3rd 2021 at 7:20:44 AM

I've cutlisted Naruto since it's the most obviously unworkable example.

Any further thoughts on SelfDemonstrating.Clone Force 99 or the other ones I mentioned?

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#682: Dec 14th 2021 at 2:49:32 PM

So, I found a self-demonstrating page for Angela from Gargoyles. I'm not familiar with the show at all, but there doesn't appear to be much to the page at all.

Should it be cut?

Edited by chasemaddigan on Dec 14th 2021 at 5:49:42 AM

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#683: Dec 14th 2021 at 5:31:45 PM

[up]Yeah, that's just a page talking about the character in first-person. Snip away.

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#684: Dec 18th 2021 at 5:45:42 PM

SelfDemonstrating.Sephiroth mostly feels like his character page but told in first person to me.
There's also a YMMV page for him for some reason? Like I appreciate the dedication, but that doesn't really seem necessary (or allowed).

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#685: Dec 18th 2021 at 7:25:56 PM

I vaguely recall a mod ruling saying YMMV wasn't allowed for characters, but I don't have the exact link.

Leliel Since: Aug, 2009
#686: Dec 23rd 2021 at 5:07:54 PM

Hey, is Arthur from Fire Emblem Fates too obscure to have a Self-Demonstrating? Because, given his distinct traits, might be hilarious.

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#687: Dec 23rd 2021 at 5:57:42 PM

I don't think obscurity matters as much as voice.

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#688: Dec 24th 2021 at 5:08:31 AM

Yeah, if the character has a distinct style of talking that would make the page distinctly feel like it's them talking, and not just a normal page in the first person, it could work. Conversely a super-popular character who doesn't have a distinct voice shouldn't get one.

Hotaru3 Since: May, 2018
#689: Dec 28th 2021 at 6:01:39 PM

Personally, I feel like it's more a case of tropers hearing the voices of those specific characters in their heads, you know, as if they're talking to them directly. I doubt you'll agree with this, but this is just the way I see it.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong here.

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#690: Jan 19th 2022 at 12:03:57 PM

Can we go ahead and remove all the "read this in these streamers' voices" from SelfDemonstrating.Queen?

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#691: Jan 19th 2022 at 2:57:29 PM

The same issue occurs with SelfDemonstrating.Spamton, can those be removed as well?

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Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#692: Jan 30th 2022 at 5:17:33 PM

So both a King Shark and a Kangaroo Jack were just made by a new troper, and I'm already weary that both of these are not distinct enough for SD pages. It also doesn't help that it gives instructions in the description.

bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
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#693: Jan 30th 2022 at 6:36:35 PM

Both of them should be cut.

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AlicornGaia Fishy from Mega Man Zero Earth Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
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#694: Feb 3rd 2022 at 1:57:20 AM

Just coming. Need to check on a few things:

  • Any status on Aang?
  • I feel like these peeps can get their own pages:
    • Iron Man (Seen most of the mcu for Robert's performance and I believe there's a lot of fans for his animated voice in Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Eric Loomis).
    • Mega Man X (Mark Gatha (the cool voice) and Ruth Marie Jarman (AKA girly voice :3))
    • Zero (Mega Man) (Johnny Yong Bosch)
    • Eobard Thawne AKA Reverse-Flash (C. Thomas Howell and Valentine Strokes)

Are they fine?

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Hotaru3 Since: May, 2018
#695: Feb 3rd 2022 at 2:36:59 PM

Aang is alright. I just removed it from the page so someone could finish his page. I'll remedy that.

Edited by Hotaru3 on Feb 3rd 2022 at 3:21:08 AM

bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
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#696: Feb 6th 2022 at 9:40:25 PM

Ryu was just cutlisted. Was there a discussion recently?

EDIT: Same for Batman.

Edited by bwburke94 on Feb 6th 2022 at 12:55:15 PM

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AlicornGaia Fishy from Mega Man Zero Earth Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Fishy
#697: Feb 6th 2022 at 10:10:43 PM

No. Also, Superman was cut. We need to restore them.

This guy requested it: troper101

Edited by AlicornGaia on Feb 7th 2022 at 2:18:14 AM

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bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
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#698: Feb 6th 2022 at 10:34:14 PM

Superman was cut a while ago, under the usual "character page in first person" rationale.

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troper101 (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: love is a deadly lazer
#699: Feb 7th 2022 at 3:59:25 PM

First of all, I'm not a guy. Second, I cut those pages because they're what this thread has already been cutting down on (character pages in first person without any distinct voice or personality beyond "I did this"). I apologize if it was out of line for me to cut without discussing first; I thought it would be more efficient to just get rid of more of the problem.

Superman, Batman, and Ryu are very standard protagonist characters, they don't have distinct voices that warrant pages. Frankly I don't think Lex Luthor warrants a self-demonstrating page either; his personality is just "pompous blowhard" and doesn't translate well to an entertaining read, but maybe that's just me.

AlicornGaia Fishy from Mega Man Zero Earth Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Fishy
#700: Feb 7th 2022 at 7:24:02 PM

That argument of no distinct voice is nonsensical. How when you have voices of Kyle Hebert (Ryu), George Newbern (Superman) (and then we might as well axe out Sephiroth’s page by your logic), and Kevin Conroy (Batman)?

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