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Jun 2nd 2020 at 5:41:43 AM

Over here teacher bullying student would be hell of a scandal. Like some people complain about students not respecting teachers at all because parents will make sure they can't punish students even by giving them detention tongue

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 7:21:10 AM

So I have a question. Looking at the recent police brutality protests in Tokyo, and a vague recollection of disobedience of COVID-19 lockdowns in the same, how true is the idea that "Japanese people are little goody-two shoes who do whatever they're told" pushed by some Western sources? Is there an urban-rural divide at play? Is it just Tokyo?

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Jun 2nd 2020 at 10:37:14 AM

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 7:35:34 AM

"Japanese people are little goody-two shoes who do whatever they're told"

While it is entirely possible that Japanese have culturally a greater amount of respect for authority and the community (Japanese football fans cleaning up the city during the world cup comes to mind), the Japanese government is awfully chummy with the main outlets of local news. Though there are definitely protests and dissent happening in Japan pretty much at all times, you'd never know it from watching TV.

Edited by Kayeka on Jun 2nd 2020 at 4:37:08 PM

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 7:39:08 AM

Remember that the Japanese, like every society everywhere, are complex and nuanced individuals, who experience a range of responses to every conceivable situation. On average, in many social situations, the Japanese strive to maintain an appearance of consensus and politeness, and often set aside their personal interests for that of the group, and expect others to do the same. But will never be true for all of them, nor for any of them all of the time. The question isn't "what are the Japanese like?" but "which Japanese are doing what and why are they doing it?"

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
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Jun 2nd 2020 at 7:53:22 AM

Clearly, the flavor of ego puts a spin on the extent of social entanglement which can never exceed the speed of memes.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
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Jun 2nd 2020 at 8:02:20 AM

Schrödinger's Senpai.

Needs to be noticed.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes.
Jun 2nd 2020 at 8:59:20 AM

In all seriousness (speaking as an American living in Tokyo who hasn't had much interaction with, say, office culture in person), the appearance of harmony is more important than the fact of harmony. You voice discontent at the societally-approved blowing-off-steam Friday drink outings, where it's not you talking, it's the alcohol, and it's all forgotten again by Monday.

I don't know if other companies (Japanese, American, or otherwise) do these, but my company has completely stopped doing farewell parties or even announcements for the people who quit, presumably because that would raise questions about why they felt badly treated enough to quit.

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 9:03:27 AM

Well I imagine that's true of every culture on Earth to different degrees, Japan is just more so.

I'm also 100% willing to believe this is behaviour of companies in general, most would rather sweep a problem under the rug than fix it, it's what people in power do.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:04:45 PM

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:03:18 PM

It's also generational, people born before the 90s tend to be more collectivist then those born after the 90s.... which has a whole range of factors going into it.

Edited by Imca on Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:03:47 AM

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:06:39 PM

The Internet being the big one, I imagine.

Nothing puts the problems of your own country into focus than seeing how much better other people are doing, I say that from experience.

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:10:05 PM

The big one is actualy the 90s economic collapse....

It is much easier to put aside your wants for the good of socioty when you know that at the end of the day socioty is going to take care of you in kind.

But with the economy falling apart the once famous coprate benifits and social systems died with it.

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:11:49 PM

Oh yeah, I actually forgot about that one, my apologies.

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:19:44 PM

It's fine really, I should have covered it in the first post but I just woke up, sorry.

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:38:23 PM

[up][up][up]Honestly, that doesn't sound too different from America's millennial-boomer/early-Xer divide.

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 1:50:30 PM

The difference is it is much sharper, while the American divide is something along the lines of 70/40 on important topics like LGBT rights, the Japanese divide is along the lines of 90/30.

Thats sport per generation BTW, which is why they dont add to 100.

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 2:00:14 PM

Even then, the general assumption of the Japanese's passiveness feeding on the idea of a collectivist zeitgeist ignores that 1. Japan has more political parties than the LDP; 2. There have been moments of political unrest last century that have involved, but were not restricted to protests and 3. There are protests for various reasons; they just don't seem to get much coverage around here. There have been groups standing up against the process of re-militarization of the country, others going against the closure of the Tsukiji Fish Market, etc. Also, the shitstorm that happens every time a PM goes to the Yasukuni Shrine is not restricted to China and Korea...

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 2:00:54 PM

Only true 90's japanese kids will remember the crushing despair of economical upheaval.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes.
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Jun 2nd 2020 at 2:01:34 PM

Japan doesn't have more parties than the LDP, most of them have been declared terrorist organizations or have fucked over any political chance they had through incompetence.

Japan is very much a one party state.

Oh really when?
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Jun 2nd 2020 at 2:04:43 PM

I think the point that, differently from say the CCP, it is still legal for there to have more than one party, there is still competition, even if mostly just symbolic.

It's a flawed democracy, Japan, but still a democracy.

As for how much coverage protests get, well, unless they get big and violent, you're not likely to care for the protests happening outside of your own country.

And depending on how big your country is, even outside of your own state.

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 2:09:15 PM

My point, exactly. The opposition doesn't run things, but it still exists.

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 2:12:07 PM

That's like saying third parties in America exist.

Sure they do on paper but in practice they have less than even a symbolic amount of power or influence.

Edited by LeGarcon on Jun 2nd 2020 at 5:12:17 AM

Oh really when?
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Jun 2nd 2020 at 2:16:01 PM

Both parties are opposed to each other in the US, so...

Anyway, my main idea is that saying there's no opposition and that people just accept things passively in Japan is still overly simplistic.

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Jun 2nd 2020 at 2:16:28 PM

We have more parties then the LDP yes, but none of them are politically viable, they have either been declared terrorists while being pacifists... or they just torpedo there own chances of winning by running a bunch of candidates in a region while the LDP runs one.

The LDP has lost there hold of the government once since they took power after WWII which the Opposition then held for a grand total of one election cycle, before immediately loosing it again due to gross incompetence that resulted in even the public utilities failing.

In general it is just pretty fucked.

Edited by Imca on Jun 2nd 2020 at 2:17:49 AM

Jun 3rd 2020 at 1:24:55 AM

I was there for it and it took a grand total of two weeks for PM Kan to become so unpopular people wanted him to resign.


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