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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA
vicarious
May 21st 2020 at 4:55:15 PM

I think my favorite standard isekai recently is probably Cooking with Wild Game

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May 21st 2020 at 5:08:08 PM

So I have a weirdly specific question:

I played Disgaea 1 recently and in it, there's a character called Commander Gordon who seems to be a parody of pulp space heroes from the 50's like Buck Rodgers and Flash Gordon (hence the name).

What I find interesting about this is that Disgaea is a very parodic/goofy series, but it mostly lampoons or makes fun of very typically japanese things. For example, the other characters associated with Gordon are Kurtis (a "rival" type character who is clearly based on 002 from Cyborg 009), and General Carter (who basically seems like a villain from some sci-fi political drama or mecha show).

And this got me wondering, is that kind of 50's pulp story popular or at least reasonably well-known in Japan in the slightest? I ask because I rarely see it referenced in other japanese pop media. I know Star Wars is popular there but that's a whole different can of worms.

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Kayeka World's biggest wannabe from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
World's biggest wannabe
May 21st 2020 at 5:16:27 PM

Yes, Japanese people do, in fact, get cable. As such, they generally have some awareness to what the most prolific genres are from the largest pop-culture giant in the world.

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May 21st 2020 at 10:21:39 PM

I already knew it was supposed to be a parody; there is a fair amount of goofy sci fi movies going both ways, but creators not referencing things not directly from their culture is hardly unique to Japan. Small reference pools and creator provincialism are tropes for a reason.

KusaMigeru Interesting Person #928 from Kanda Island Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Interesting Person #928
May 25th 2020 at 7:56:55 AM

About Wuxia: if we're talking about "cultivation stories" or similar stuff, I believe the correct term is "Xianxia". Wuxia is less focused on direct supernatural things - as far as I can tell, the crazy stunts have more to do with the characters being so skilled they can bend the laws of physics, but it's not outright magic.

As for isekai, I tend to avoid most of them precisely for being just power fantasy for otaku. Heck, I stay away from mostly anything where the plot starts with "[Protagonist], a normal student/otaku/what-have-you...". However, if the guy's initial reaction upon being transported is "Oh, Crap!", then things are off to a good start.

... And that's called jazz!
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May 25th 2020 at 8:22:33 AM

There are various type of wuxia: from the lod fantasy and cold polique intrigue, to the super duper martial art high fantasy and all between.

And I call light novel isekai, which is better anyway because isekai as name just mean trap in another world like digimon or magical knight from clamp.

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KusaMigeru Interesting Person #928 from Kanda Island Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Interesting Person #928
May 29th 2020 at 7:32:09 AM

It's tough. A new asshole is born every day. I start to think that campaigning against those fuckers, albeit more than necessary, deals with just one side of the problem. Protecting potential/actual victims and giving them the material and psychological means to defend/protect themselves is equally important.

... And that's called jazz!
amitakartok Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
May 29th 2020 at 7:42:55 AM

That's never going to happen so long as the experts keep saying that you shouldn't put up a fight against bullies because that's what motivates bullies to keep going.

DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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May 30th 2020 at 6:54:36 PM

I think that depends on the context, and what you mean by "fight". I don't know of any experts who advise against attempting to defend oneself in a constructive manner.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
amitakartok Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Jun 1st 2020 at 10:31:51 AM

All advice I've ever heard against bullying is "don't react to it, just stay silent until the bully gets bored and leaves".

Kayeka World's biggest wannabe from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
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Jun 1st 2020 at 10:39:18 AM

Fun fact: that never works.

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Jun 1st 2020 at 11:06:05 AM

It's not supposed to. It's just them trying to get out of actually doing something about the problem. That's true everywhere.

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Kayeka World's biggest wannabe from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
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Jun 1st 2020 at 11:21:47 AM

[up]Oh, I know. I know very well.

I like to think there's no real malice or lazyness behind it, though. Just people who are already overburdened and not qualified to deal with a complicated problem. So I'd really like it if standard procedure was to get qualified people involved.

Or, failing that, consistent punishments for bullies and not punishing the victims alongside them.

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Jun 1st 2020 at 11:23:36 AM

@amitakartok: The fuck? Here, here (note #2 in that list), and here. There are literally hundreds of such programs. Research indicates that they have a positive effect.

Here's an entire toolkit on anti-bullying. Scroll down to page 19 for a table comparing a spectrum of submissive, aggressive, and assertive responses to bullying behaviors.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
amitakartok Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Jun 1st 2020 at 6:10:48 PM

[up]Again, that's all I've ever been told to do whenever I got bullied.

DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Jun 1st 2020 at 7:52:48 PM

By school staff? Incompetent.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
PhysicalStamina so i made a new avatar from Oh, that looks dangerous... not yet... Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
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Jun 1st 2020 at 7:54:15 PM

I've gotten it too. I'm pretty sure it's the standard response, actually.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Jun 1st 2020 at 7:58:51 PM

It really is, or at least was, in a lot of places from what I gather. In my youth (in Brazil) the typical response to me fighting a bully after being physically harassed/attacked was the eternal mantra of "Onde um não quer, dois não brigam", literally "Where one doesn't want, two can't fight", but idiomatically meaning "It takes two to tango".

A lot of school administrations are (or were, at least) very Head-in-the-Sand Management about the whole thing.

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
Jun 1st 2020 at 8:21:38 PM

Ah, can't speak to Brazil, but there would really be no excuse here in the US. "It's just boys being boys" used to be the standard adult response, but I think cyberbulling put an end to all that.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
Mio
Jun 1st 2020 at 8:29:36 PM

@De Marquis: That assumes that people think that bullying can be stopped or mitigated and is not just an inevitable aspect of a young person's social life that they just have to learn to deal with, which yes is something that people believe, if only implicitly.

And that's assuming they don't take the next step of "bullying is good, actually, because it teaches harsh life lessons and toughens people up".

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Jun 1st 2020 at 8:36:23 PM

[up][up][up]I was never physically bullied when I was a kid, but it was a) a relatively fancy private Catholic school*, and b) I was f*cking invisible during those times.

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Jun 1st 2020 at 11:17:55 PM

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/01/national/japan-cyberbullying-censorship-fears/#.XtXu-8BS9PY

Some new news about the fears of having new cyberbullying regulations in Japan.

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amitakartok Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Jun 2nd 2020 at 3:33:06 AM

By school staff? Incompetent.

Buddy... my homeroom teacher was one of the bullies. And she preferentially targeted me in front of the entire class to maximize impact.

I'm guessing that would never happen in Japan, though. They really don't like public spectacles.

Edited by amitakartok on Jun 2nd 2020 at 12:34:26 PM

Jun 2nd 2020 at 3:37:20 AM

Japan has struggled for years with issues of corporal punishment, especially in sports clubs and other after-school activities. I don't know how widespread it is, but teachers beating students is a fairly common topic. It's not quite the same as peer-to-peer bullying, but the intent to humiliate is still there.

Edited by RedSavant on Jun 2nd 2020 at 6:38:33 AM


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