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SteamKnight Since: Jun, 2018
#6001: May 16th 2020 at 7:54:07 PM

[up][up] The Japanese publishers ain’t exactly a saint or much better than American publishers.

They only show their so-called respect to mangaka with a hit manga who is popular enough that their fanbase are willing to fight for them. Small time mangaka are treated like crap just like any other business.

Heck, American comic artists actually get paid better than Japanese mangaka. And even then, the fate of Japanese mangaka are still miles better compared to the fate of Japanese animators.

There is nothing super special with Japanese entertainment industry. This is like the belief that the Japanese respect their voice actors so much that they will never recast them which is bullshit.

Look, there is no such thing as American comic artist are all sell-outs and Japanese mangaka are all doing it for the art. Japan is a real country, not a dreamland.

Edited by SteamKnight on May 16th 2020 at 9:55:44 PM

I'm not as witty as I think I am. It's a scientifically-proven fact.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#6002: May 16th 2020 at 7:55:25 PM

The manga industry is a harsh one, even if you've become well-established as a writer.

The Japanese entertainment industry is fucked up in a lot of ways. Just look at idol singers.

Edited by M84 on May 16th 2020 at 10:56:05 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#6003: May 16th 2020 at 7:58:54 PM

Or the way animators are paid about as well as sweatshop workers.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#6004: May 16th 2020 at 8:20:49 PM

Japanese manga editors are frequently known for ruling with an iron fist and forcing their employees to work in a constant state of crunch, as the authors of Bleach and Jojo will often attest. If you work for a less popular magazine or managed to establish enough cred to move on then it's another story, much like "indie" comics in the West. They're not less awful than the American comics industry, just a different flavor of it.

TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#6005: May 16th 2020 at 8:23:15 PM

I think Araki specifically wrote a few Jojo pieces in a way to subtly spite his editor.

Edited by TheWildWestPyro on May 16th 2020 at 8:23:31 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#6006: May 16th 2020 at 8:26:57 PM

In the case of Bleach, there's been a lot of mixed messages.

I have heard that he was being forced to keep drawing even with a shoulder injury, but I also heard he kept drawing even though his editor gave him time off to heal until his shoulder bones damn near shattered.

Tite Kubo wouldn't be the first artist to keep working beyond all reason and sense (the very first mangaka did it as well) and he has gone on record as enjoying his time on Jump even if some of the comments from his time actually working there seem to contradict that, so who knows.

Edited by HailMuffins on May 16th 2020 at 12:33:55 PM

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#6007: May 16th 2020 at 8:28:48 PM

There was a power grab a while ago where publishers wanted to take merchandising rights away from authors (giving them power to go after doujinshi and fan publishers). A lot of authors got their own starts doing doujin and fanworks, and they know better than to bite the hands that fed them, but publishers want to wring all they can out of it. There was a moderate author strike against it.

It's been fun.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#6008: May 16th 2020 at 8:29:53 PM

That was when the guy behing Mahou Sensei Negima Torch the Franchise and Run out of spite, right?

Imca (Veteran)
#6009: May 16th 2020 at 9:52:38 PM

Then there is the whole fact that a lot of mangaka aren't even paid minimum wage because there not employes but "independant contractors" who are paid by the panel.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#6010: May 17th 2020 at 2:40:18 PM

I recently realized something funny.

My RL name, in Japanese, would be pronounced with a -chan at the end. But -chan is also a suffix. That sounds like something funny but iI was left wondering if that would even translate as an amusing coincidence in Japanese or if it's common.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6011: May 19th 2020 at 11:48:18 AM

A documentary from 1989 about the Imperial Palace and the way it's run, from equestrians to gardeners and so on:

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6012: May 19th 2020 at 12:00:23 PM

@Azur: So your name, in Japanese, is something like "Chanchan"?

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6013: May 19th 2020 at 12:03:50 PM

Assuming they're the kind of person one would comfortably address with "-chan", that is. So, a child, a pet, or similarly not the sort of person that would post here.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#6014: May 19th 2020 at 2:28:02 PM

@De Marquis My name in real life is 'Sebastian', which is apparently translated phonetically in Japanese to "Sebasuchan". So with hte added suffix it'd be...Sebasuchan-chan.

And I was wondering if that was the case, or if it even translated to a funny thing in actual Japanese. Does seem like the sort of thing which is kinda funny, at least.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6015: May 19th 2020 at 2:33:36 PM

Sounds like a dance move.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#6017: May 19th 2020 at 2:49:31 PM

That reminded me, I always thought of Botan rice candy as being Chinese, and was surprised to learn it as a Japanese brand.

But then it hit me that Botan is pretty much the same word as "Botchan" (young boy/young master), and I then realized this is why the logo (mascot?) is a rather plump/pampered-looking young boy.

On the topic of manga, my cursory knowledge, based on an interest in ukiyoe and Edo-period literature is that compared to Western Europe during the same time period, Edo Japan had a high rate of literacy and greater centralization, and in connection with the two, there was widespread printing of illustrated popular literature, including prints with captions.

I don't really know what made illustrated literature have a different trajectory in Europe (which in turn made it different in the United States), but that's pretty much why manga ended up as a "mainstream" medium in Japan.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6018: May 19th 2020 at 2:50:31 PM

From Alto Cedro I go towards Marcané

I get to Cueto, head for Mayarí

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#6019: May 19th 2020 at 3:05:50 PM

I read once that part of the reason why comics were accepted by the mainstream in Japam was because Osamu Tezuka started making comics aimed at adult audiences relatively early in his career, so the stigma that they were all for kids never really stuck.

Dunno how much that's true.

Imca (Veteran)
#6020: May 19th 2020 at 3:21:38 PM

Its quite believable, adault aimed media has a suprising amount of domestic importance.

Fun fact, dispite video rental still being a thing unlike the west, blockbuster is dead as well...

There death in that market however was due to there refusal to stock AV...

PhysicalStamina ain't nothin' but a party y'all (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
ain't nothin' but a party y'all
#6021: May 19th 2020 at 3:41:51 PM

Language question: why is it that in Japanese media, when people say sentences like "[phrase], [character name]", more often than not there's a pause before "[character name]"? As if they need a second to remember it?

Do not spare the feelings of those who would not spare yours.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#6022: May 19th 2020 at 6:49:11 PM

[up][up] I mean, it's not totally dead here. We still have Redbox.

Oh God! Natural light!
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#6023: May 19th 2020 at 7:26:26 PM

[up][up]It emphasizes the name and honorific.

Pauses have a number of uses. Think of it as a big, fat, spoken Oxford comma.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#6024: May 19th 2020 at 7:33:59 PM

@Stamina: I'm not really qualified to speak on it (Imca would know better), but I always read it as an extension of the tendency of Japanese (and anime dialogue writing, specifically) to cram a lot of unsaid meaning into a character's name.

It's been fun.
PhysicalStamina ain't nothin' but a party y'all (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
ain't nothin' but a party y'all
#6025: May 19th 2020 at 7:50:59 PM

[up]That often?

Do not spare the feelings of those who would not spare yours.

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