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SaintDeltora The Mistress from The Land Of Corruption and Debauchery Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#251: Aug 31st 2014 at 6:58:05 AM

[up]Can you name some ideas? I am interested.

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#252: Aug 31st 2014 at 7:06:37 AM

Princess Mononoke. Recycled IN THE CONGO VALLEY. WITH COLONISTS.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#253: Aug 31st 2014 at 7:25:38 AM

[up]And, cannibals.

Seriously: some of the scariest stories across Africa are about when everything goes to hell and the cannibalism starts. If you think the supernatural or mundane Cannibal Clan is an American invention, you don't know your African or Japanese myths.

Also: curses, grudges and witchcraft? With bad consequences lasting through generations that you can neither reason with nor evade... all due to one member's slip-up? Staples! Even better if you get the scare stories about how all the attempted barters, appeasements and evasions got nowhere and just how bad the Bad Things that happened get.

edited 31st Aug '14 7:29:30 AM by Euodiachloris

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#254: Aug 31st 2014 at 7:56:04 AM

Spirits are fearsome.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#255: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:15:14 PM

Shinto myth has cannibalism?

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#256: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:47:57 PM

I don't think so, but Oni eat people sometimes.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#257: Aug 31st 2014 at 12:59:35 PM

I didn't think so, because merely being in the presence of a corpse is considered unclean in Shinto (where "unclean" equals evil), to the point that butchers are labeled as "subhumans" in modern Japanese society.

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#258: Aug 31st 2014 at 1:03:53 PM

Which if memory serves, the whole "corpse is anathema to Shinto" was a huge "HOLY SHIT" element in Higurashi.

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#260: Aug 31st 2014 at 1:16:59 PM

MAJOR SPOILERS

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#261: Aug 31st 2014 at 1:30:50 PM

Basically, One of the major horror elements in the Higurashi series is that the local backwater town's shrine is home to a Kami that has been worshipped by offering horrifying disemboweled human sacrifices to it as appeasement.

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#262: Aug 31st 2014 at 7:54:40 PM

Butchers are labeled as subhuman? I didn't catch that. My thought was only those who actually prepare corpses.

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#264: Aug 31st 2014 at 10:10:12 PM

To be fair, people look down on butchers everywhere.

Amusingly enough, butchers that are murderers are unheard of. Must be cathartic, working with all that flesh.

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#265: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:35:35 PM

Man, even tanners are considered unclean. I never quite understood that. Possibly one of the most useful materials available to a pre-industrial civilisation, and people shit on the people actually making it?

Then again, I never quite got how Confucius thought it was justified to divide people into castes like that. I especially never got how the Japanese took that idea and butchered it to the point where warriors are suddenly at the top of the chain. At least Confucius had the decency to put people that actually build those castles and kept them fed at the top.

Didn't this one Confucian philosopher once say "Just as one wouldn't make nails out of quality iron, one shouldn't make soldiers out of good men."

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#266: Aug 31st 2014 at 11:41:43 PM

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KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#267: Sep 1st 2014 at 12:54:23 AM

Possibly one of the most useful materials available to a pre-industrial civilisation, and people shit on the people actually making it?

That's mostly because the tanners need that shit. wink

But nah, its probably an outgrowth of the fact that tanneries stink and working in one day in and day out probably makes you rather unpleasant to be around as well coupled with the fact that both the untanned leather and several of the ingredients tick Shinto's "ritually unclean" check boxes.

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#268: Sep 1st 2014 at 1:03:27 AM

\actually tanneries used to be extremely unhygienic and would kill you, easily, after working there for a time.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#269: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:04:25 AM

Then again, I never quite got how Confucius thought it was justified to divide people into castes like that. I especially never got how the Japanese took that idea and butchered it to the point where warriors are suddenly at the top of the chain. At least Confucius had the decency to put people that actually build those castles and kept them fed at the top.

Japan already had a hierarchical system in place before it was introduced to Confucianism. Confucianism was easily adopted into its social mores because of this. But, the Chinese saw Confucianism as being a means of enforcing competency at the highest class. (While a son could not abandon their father, nor could a younger brother or wife abandon their elder brother or husband, respectively, no matter how incompetent they were, a soldier or lord could turn against their superior if they were incompetent or inhumane.) In Japanese Neo-Confucianism, however, no one was technically allowed to turn against anyone, ever. Technically.

As I've mentioned before, being less advanced than the Chinese, the Japanese saw themselves as a warrior race with Simple-Minded Wisdom by comparison. They saw Chinese academia as useful and important, but secondary to marital ability and hard work. Thus, their brand of Confucianism also placed warriorship as the highest level of social hierarchy, which was intentionally different from the Chinese. Even daimyo and other lords were usually praised for having fighting prowess, or for at least taking the time to understand the samurai spirit.

edited 1st Sep '14 9:14:30 AM by KingZeal

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#270: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:23:24 AM

That explains so much.

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#271: Sep 1st 2014 at 12:04:56 PM

They saw Chinese academia as useful and important, but secondary to marital ability and hard work.
I think you mean 'martial'. I normally wouldn't point this out, except that 'marital' is also a word, and one with a very different meaning (or so we would hope).

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#272: Sep 1st 2014 at 12:06:12 PM

Marital ability is important, as the Japanese are now learning. Inferior marital ability means less preggo.

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#273: Sep 1st 2014 at 12:16:51 PM

Tablet Swype fails me yet again.

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#274: Sep 1st 2014 at 12:38:38 PM

I have to wonder about that part. Whatever happened to their sex drives?

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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#275: Sep 1st 2014 at 12:47:21 PM

I assume stress from working extremely long hours takes a toll on the sexing.


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