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girlyboy Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Dec 17th 2010 at 6:08:32 AM

I can't find the discussion for this anywhere. When and why was the image changed? It used to be an image of an insect, as a Visual Pun. No, it was not descriptive of the trope, but it was cute and funny. I doubt it confused people as to the trope's purpose. Why was it so important to have a clear image here? Isn't the Rule of Funny a good enough reason to do anything on Tv Tropes any-more? The Incredibly Obvious Bug was awesome. This is a symptom of malignant Serious Business.

edited 17th Dec '10 6:11:10 AM by girlyboy

DarkKaizer The Fulltropal Alchemist from A world of escapism... Since: Nov, 2010
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#2: Dec 17th 2010 at 6:17:19 AM

Well, any example for Incredibly Obvious Bug is going to be humorous in some sense. I actually prefer the new picture better. Rule of Funny or not, the picture needs to at least explain the actual trope.

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girlyboy Since: Jan, 2001
#3: Dec 17th 2010 at 6:37:33 AM

Why does the picture need to always explain the actual trope? The old picture didn't explain the trope at all, but it was funny. Why was this a problem? You say you find the new picture funnier, fine. But I doubt that was the reason why it was changed. If there was a widespread problem on the Wiki of Visual Pun pictures being overly common (the way there is a problem with Just A Face And Caption pictures), then I'd understand people setting out on a mission to root them out. But why is the rare, occasional Visual Pun such a big deal? In what way did it hurt the page? In what way does having a more descriptive image really help the page? Were people confused about the trope with the old picture, thinking it was about actual insects? Has the trope been improved in some way with this change?

I think occasionally bending rules like "the picture needs to explain the trope" for the benefit of the Rule of Funny should be perfectly acceptable, and I think the old image was great.

edited 17th Dec '10 6:38:04 AM by girlyboy

ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
#4: Dec 17th 2010 at 7:56:34 AM

But...the image IS funny.

At any rate, the only other thing I'd suggest changing it to is the Camera Beard from Team Fortress 2, but the Simpsons one is probably more outlandish.

Osmium from Germany Since: Dec, 2010
#5: Dec 17th 2010 at 8:23:07 AM

In my opinion is a visual pun good for tropes which are hard to visualize or would be NSFW or to gruesome due to their topic. Otherwise a real example showing the trope is better.

I think Incredibly Obvious Bug is nice trope for having a funny image. But I don’t like the Simpson picture. My first impression was, that Apu shot a hole in Homers hat. Homers facial expression and arm movement looks a bit like he tries to calm Apu…

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#6: Dec 17th 2010 at 8:29:00 AM

I actually like the camera beard better. It's more obvious.

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#7: Dec 17th 2010 at 8:36:32 AM

What was the previous image?

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DarkKaizer The Fulltropal Alchemist from A world of escapism... Since: Nov, 2010
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#9: Dec 17th 2010 at 8:47:15 AM

OK.

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helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#10: Dec 17th 2010 at 10:02:48 AM

I immediately associate the word "bug" with It Just Bugs Me! or Good Bad Bugs. I think the picture being a pun isn't going to help anymore. I'd rather see an obvious camera somewhere.

As for the current picture, it'd be funny if I could tell that was a camera and not a giant hole.

edited 17th Dec '10 10:03:09 AM by helterskelter

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#11: Dec 17th 2010 at 10:53:30 AM

Camera Beard for me. A giant bug is going to be misleading and people are going to think it's Big Creepy-Crawlies.

edited 17th Dec '10 10:54:10 AM by Deboss

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girlyboy Since: Jan, 2001
#12: Dec 17th 2010 at 11:46:49 AM

If people bother going to the page at all, I think they'll at least glance at the text, and quickly realise this is about surveillance equipment, not literal insects. A big insect was the original picture, and it was the picture for this page for a very long time before it was changed to the Simpsons picture. I doubt anyone in that time sincerely thought this was a trope about literal bugs due to being confused by the illustration, and I've certainly never seen any evidence that this was the case.

I think the old picture should be restored because of the Rule of Funny. Not everything has to be serious and practical and pragmatic, and nothing terrible will happen if this page has a non-descriptive image.

edited 17th Dec '10 11:47:22 AM by girlyboy

BlackWolfe Viewer Gender Confusion? from Lost in Austin Since: Jun, 2010
#13: Dec 17th 2010 at 11:50:03 AM

From the "Image Changin' Etiquette" sticky:

There's generally only one question involved on the issue of a page image- does this image accurately reflect the sentiment of the trope without requiring context from the referenced work?

So Yeah.

edited 17th Dec '10 11:50:36 AM by BlackWolfe

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helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#14: Dec 17th 2010 at 11:56:00 AM

Here's another Camera Beard one, this time with him smoking. [1]

SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#15: Dec 17th 2010 at 12:24:59 PM

Not everything has to be serious and practical and pragmatic, and nothing terrible will happen if this page has a non-descriptive image.

Actually, ideally speaking, everything should be practical and pragmatic on This Wiki. A Visual Pun or Dissimile or anything else like that is typically only used for a page image when a trope is either incredibly difficult to show clearly in a normal example or when a normal example would otherwise be NSFW and/or make many readers uncomfortable looking at a page.

And, naturally, when a large portion of tropers show a consensus for wanting a clear trope example on a page, rather than a Visual Pun, then we generally go with the consensus.

Nthing the Camera Beard (either picture).

edited 17th Dec '10 12:26:14 PM by SeanMurrayI

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#16: Dec 17th 2010 at 12:25:43 PM

I prefer The Simpsons hat one myself.

BlackWolfe Viewer Gender Confusion? from Lost in Austin Since: Jun, 2010
#17: Dec 17th 2010 at 12:26:10 PM

The camera beard fits better than Giant Hat With A Hole In It That Requires Context.

But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.
SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#18: Dec 17th 2010 at 12:27:46 PM

I like The Simpsons hat, and, being a Simpsons fan, I totally get it, but the camera beard is much more obvious (and therefore much more demonstrative of the trope).

BlackWolfe Viewer Gender Confusion? from Lost in Austin Since: Jun, 2010
#19: Dec 17th 2010 at 12:31:15 PM

Not being as big a fan as I used to be, it took reading the caption for me to remember the episode in question. Especially since it's been a while since I looked at this page and I was thinking more along the lines of Obvious Beta.

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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#20: Dec 17th 2010 at 1:27:41 PM

Old image is not in the page history, think the image was changed before the Great Crash. :(

I think visual puns are fun, and Rule of Funny is a perfectly good reason to do something. But it's only one reason. By itself, "this is funny" isn't worth all that many points, I don't think.

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#21: Dec 17th 2010 at 1:32:51 PM

^The Great Crash was nearly three years ago; old edits in a page's history are deleted over time, which would still mean that the old Visual Pun image we're hearing about must have been changed months ago.

BlackWolfe Viewer Gender Confusion? from Lost in Austin Since: Jun, 2010
#22: Dec 17th 2010 at 1:33:08 PM

Edit history is only kept for about a month, apparently.

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edited 17th Dec '10 1:33:36 PM by BlackWolfe

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ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
#23: Dec 17th 2010 at 9:14:38 PM

Well, I just suggested the Camera Beard as a side glance, but I didn't think everyone would jump on it.

Want to use it, then?

helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#24: Dec 17th 2010 at 9:27:26 PM

Old examples also disappear after two hundred new edits.

Ferrard Since: Jun, 2009
#25: Dec 17th 2010 at 10:02:48 PM

Camera-beard gets my vote. My first thought about the Simpsons image was confusion about why Homer was wearing badly made headgear.

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