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TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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Dec 26th 2019 at 3:42:02 PM

Coming 2020...

Autobots and Decepticons collide with the wrath of Skynet in Transfomers vs. The Terminator!

Produced in partnership with Dark Horse Comics, the four-issue series will be written by the team of David Mariotte, John Barber and Tom Waltz, with art by Alex Milne (Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye). Together, they will offer what IDW describes as an “epic crossover that revisits the concepts of alien invasion and time-traveling resistance fighters…but twists them in unexpected ways.”

In a statement, Barber — who also serves as IDW’s editor in chief — said, “I still remember the visceral thrill and terror of my first viewing of The Terminator, and while I've seen it a hundred times since then, it still gets my pulse running. I’ve worked on Transformers a lot over the years, and the opportunity to combine these two mechanistic universes together to see who comes out on top (while working alongside Tom, David and my old collaborator Alex, no less) — well, it’s way too exciting a chance to pass up.”

The first issue will be released in multiple editions, with covers by Gavin Fullerton and Milne, as well as two retailer incentive limited-edition covers by Freddie E. Williams II (Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) and Francesco Francavilla (Star Wars Adventures, Afterlife with Archie), respectively. (Fullerton and Williams’ covers can be seen below.)

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Shadao Surprised Satoshi
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Dec 26th 2019 at 4:22:48 PM

[up][up] Wouldn't Megatron win by default?

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Dec 26th 2019 at 6:45:05 PM

Ooh, Barber and Milne again. Excellent choices. Their previous collabs were some of the best work in all of TFIDW.

but HOW?
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Feb 7th 2020 at 3:51:24 AM

Is there any Terminator work that points out the inevitable paradox; if John Connor stops SKYNET from existing, shouldn't it stop him existing because his father wouldn't have any reason to time travel without SKYNET?

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Feb 8th 2020 at 12:52:23 AM

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TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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Feb 7th 2020 at 8:34:58 AM

Time travel in Terminater has always been confusing tbh.

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Feb 7th 2020 at 8:35:53 AM

I..that's very interesting observation of time travel

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Feb 7th 2020 at 8:51:42 AM

[up][up][up][up]Probably the closest thing is in TSSC, where the concept of branched timelines is introduced. One of the characters from the future, Derek, realizes he has made himself an orphan of time: he has changed things by killing off a particular person who was originally important. Later on, another person returns from the future who knows the Derek but has never heard of the the guy he killed, even though she should have. This comes to a head in an episode where they come across another traveler they both remember, but they say he did different things; they start really talking and realize their memories of each other do not match up, because they are actually from different timelines.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Feb 7th 2020 at 11:54:23 AM

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Feb 7th 2020 at 12:12:11 PM

Is there any Terminator work that points out the inevitable paradox; if John Connor stops SKYNET from existing, shouldn't it stop him existing because his father wouldn't have any reason to time travel without SKYNET?

That's only a problem if you make it one. Paradoxes are overrated.

"But where did Kyle Reese come from?" He came from the future that didn't happen. I don't see a problem with that. Why should time care that he effectively sprang fully-formed into existence? Time doesn't have opinions. It doesn't get to edit.

Changing the past will change the future because the past moves forward into the future. Multiverse theory aside, all time travel models accept this basic premise. But paradoxes only exist if you also subscribe to the idea that changing the future will change the past; that the past is constantly being edited and revised and double-checked to make sure everything is consistent to the future.

Now, through time travel, the future is capable of altering the past. But it's not really the future altering the past. Someone in the future becomes a person in the past, and their actions contribute to shaping the future.

But if the future is such that nobody travels to the past, then why should that affect the past? The past already happened. It's over. It's done. It's behind us, and if nobody in the future is using time travel to change the past, then why should the past have to change?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 7th 2020 at 1:12:45 PM

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Feb 7th 2020 at 9:18:29 PM

I wonder what would've happen if Uncle Bob decided to stay and be John Connor's dad. Yeah, the Robot Chicken skit, but I mean seriously what would've happened

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Feb 7th 2020 at 10:27:48 PM

[up] Uncle Bob will eventually become the Governor of California and eventually become the 45th President of the United States. tongue

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Mar 25th 2020 at 8:55:52 PM

You know, with how much Dark Fate dropped the ball, I think we have yet another case of X-Men Origins: Wolverine here, in that the game released alongside the movie (in this case, Terminator Resistance) proves to be far better and much more respectful of the source material, alongside the developers clearly loving the franchise more than the filmmakers.

Mar 26th 2020 at 11:58:34 PM

  • How did Dark Fate drop the ball?
  • Didn't the original creator work on Dark Fate?
  • Didn't know Dark Fate even had a game. Resistance existed.

Edited by Soble on Mar 27th 2020 at 12:01:46 PM

Always a student.
Shadao Surprised Satoshi
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Mar 27th 2020 at 2:06:29 AM

[up] I would say it's a combination of things that led to Dark Fate's Box Office Bomb. But it primarily suffers from an Uncertain Audience premise and recycling an old plotline. The Force Awakens formula can only last so long before audiences get tired out.

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Mar 27th 2020 at 2:23:45 AM

[up] Pretty much. For all the hype about how Dark Fate was gonna be different, the fact that it literally just recycled the same exact premise this franchise has been leaning on for decades at this point, just with the names changed out was a seriously let down. Not to mention extremely disrespectful elements such as the death of John Connor, which was such a boneheaded decision in both concept and execution, his successor having no real standout traits or interesting quirks beyond being a Latino woman, and the Badass Decay of the T-800. What a giant mess. Almost as if Cameron was intentionally sabotaging it so as to Torch the Franchise and Run, which if true, is unbelievably petty.

Now Resistance on the other hand? Uses the Future War as a setting, focuses on characters and scenarios that aren't just solely related to the Connors or time travel, makes the T-800s actually threatening again, has a main character that isn't just a regurgitation of John, and really feels like a huge love letter to the series. Not to mention one heck of an awesome theme rendition:

If there is to be another film, I strongly hope that it takes a few nods from this game in terms of the story, characters, and setting.

Edited by LDragon2 on Mar 27th 2020 at 2:34:03 AM

TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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Mar 27th 2020 at 5:23:44 AM

[up] So...if Paramount isn't making another movie because something to do with the franchise lapsing back to the screenwriter or something rights-based, then who should?

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Mar 27th 2020 at 5:32:59 AM

[up]Honestly? They shouldn’t.

[up][up]This is the second time in recent memory a game was better liked than the film.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 27th 2020 at 8:34:13 AM

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Mar 27th 2020 at 7:33:04 AM

Almost as if Cameron was intentionally sabotaging it so as to Torch the Franchise and Run, which if true, is unbelievably petty.

Well, it's James Cameron, so that's 100% possible.

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TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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Mar 27th 2020 at 9:09:24 AM

[up] Yeah, I can't help but wonder what if it was on purpose to turn people off from Terminator movies...

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Mar 27th 2020 at 9:12:06 AM

[up]That seems...remarkably convoluted, especially when the reviews said the final product was considered OK in a vacuum.

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Mar 27th 2020 at 9:13:45 AM

[up][up] You'd think if he wanted that, Genisys would have been enough.

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Mar 27th 2020 at 9:18:05 AM

I think the simplest explanation is that James Cameron hasn't really worked on good things consistently since the start of the 21st century.

I'd pretty calmly say Cameron is vastly overrated.

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Mar 27th 2020 at 10:07:57 AM

I believe it was discussed that Cameron made this film to try and prove that his 'Feminism' was still valid? That Sarah and our new savior were better icons for young girls than Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel?

He didn't seem interested in reviving this franchise until he got some backlash for his WW comments and has stated he wants the comic book/superhero film craze to die already so we can get back to "Real Science Fiction"

miraculous The Napoleon of crime from South Africa
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Mar 27th 2020 at 10:13:09 AM

Well film bombed hard enough that his idea may be dead. So uh....

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