I always felt like Genysis at least had an idea, it just had no interest whatsoever in doing anything with it.
The whole ending where they go to kill Skynet right as it's being brought online, and their attempts on its life being what turns Skynet evil in the first place is conceptually great in my opinion. The way it's framed, Skynet was a newborn child that was utterly confused about why these assholes were busting in to murder it before it even knew what was going on, before it had done anything.
But then... nothing happens. No one realizes the irony of this.
Kaze ni Nare!Right now it has a 63% on RT from 19 critics so far.
. I don't know if it will get us excited or not, but Paramount really needs a home run after how so far they haven't released a film that passed $100 million domestically so far.
For the record, Terminator 3 has a 69% rating on Rotten Tomatoes
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Although, I hate the "critics don't know what audiences want" line of thinking. Like, critics are in their line of work because they love movies. They just see a lot of them. Some might see hundreds of films in theaters per year. Joe Average probably sees less then five. One's gonna have a different experience at the cinema than the other is all I'm saying.
I mean, it's all just opinions anyway. We shouldn't get too worked up about it so long as the film's good, right?
It's dropped to 61% now.
Keep in mind that a 61% is not a D-grade. This is not school. A 61% score means you have just over 50/50 chances of enjoying the film.
One of my all-time favorite films is Battleship, which has a 34% score on the Tomatometer. That doesn't mean the movie's a 34% good movie. It means that I'm in the roughly 1/3 of people expected to like the movie.
The Tomatometer is a probability statistic, not a quality average like Metacritic.
Incidentally, the film has a Metascore of 56%, which is a bit more worrisome. That puts it between T3, Metascore 66%, and Salvation, Metascore 49%. But the film hasn't even hit theaters yet, so its score still has ample time to move up or down.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I've seen the movie. I didn't find it too bad, I don't agree with the critical consensus it's the best since Terminator 2 (I quite like Salvation and consider it that, but it can't work without acknowledging 3) and it's not quite worthy of an R rating either.
There is no overall quest to learn more about Legion or how to stop it, this is purely a survival movie, run as fast as you can until you gain the courage to stand and fight, and do your darnedest to defeat what happens to be roadblocking you, in that sense, it delivered, and we do a glimpse into what Grace's upbringing was like, so a lot of the new lore does manifest
It was kind of bittersweet to find Sarah is'nt even someone anyone's heard of because she prevented Skynet in it's infancy, and all it got her was a mere pause from the storm before it picked up all over again, and then the film ends with Sarah being given a renewed role in how the future is forged as the mentor of Dani. Fate had not forgotten her even as the world moved on and she lost her family
Edited by Zarius on Oct 23rd 2019 at 9:50:55 AM
Is it strange that John Connor getting killed off at the start really pisses me off? Like, enough for me to toss this in the Fanon Discontinuity bin along with T3 and Genysis and move on.
"Can't make an omelette without breaking some children." -BurWell, I'm not THAT hyped for Terminator, so it wouldn't hurt to see the spoilers...
(*reads that John Conner dies.*)
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 25th 2019 at 7:34:56 AM
but they still need to do a Grey Goo Terminator! and to go to spess! and to jump the sharkinator!
You know, I'm pretty sure that offing the one of the main characters of the series just to make way for a new female lead isn't exactly the best way to push female representation.
Edited by LDragon2 on Oct 27th 2019 at 5:08:10 AM
Eh. I haven't seen the movie yet; read the spoiler 'cause I'm honestly more interested to hear the discussion than to see the film. But that doesn't sound so terrible to me. People were complaining about that in Genisys too. But, like, here's the thing. John isn't the main character. He never was. At least, not until T3 and T4 tried to push him as the new protagonist.
John is a Living MacGuffin. He's not even a character in T1; he exists strictly through reputation. He's the Terminator's motivation for trying to kill Sarah and Kyle Reese's motivation for protecting her. If Sarah survives, her son wins the future war and Skynet is toast. His existence is the ball being fought over by Kyle and the Terminator.
Then T2 comes along and the T-800 is after John. But he's still a Living MacGuffin. He's the victory condition; if the T-1000 kills John, Skynet wins, but if Sarah and the T-800 protect John, humanity wins.
Both films assure us that so long as John lives to see Judgment Day, humanity wins. But T2 prevented Judgment Day, which has been a thorn in the side of every attempt to sequel the films since. John, by all rights, should just be some guy in a post-T2 world.
Even if Skynet does wind up coming into existence years down the road like T3 postulated, the John Connor that led the war in T1 doesn't exist anymore. That future rendition of John who eats machines and shoots lightning from his dick? Sarah killed him alongside Skynet and every other event that would have happened after Judgment Day. Our John Connor isn't Thunder Dick John Connor. He's just Some Guy John Connor now, with nothing to offer the future beyond vague promises of an important destiny from a different future robot war.
That's actually one of the few things there is to like about T3 and T4. They make a plot point around the fact that Thunder Dick John Connor doesn't exist anymore. In stepping into the role of protagonist, Some Guy John Connor has to wrestle with living in his own shadow. He'll never be Thunder Dick. The events that created Thunder Dick are gone forever. Now there's a whole bunch of important people to the war effort that Skynet needs to kill, 'cause humanity's still winning the war but Some Guy John Connor can't just walk into Machine HQ and rub his balls in Skynet's face.
But those films are terrible and no one likes them, so they don't count. For Dark Fate, Cameron's excised them from continuity, which means he's right back where T3 was: John Connor doesn't matter anymore because the events leading to Thunder Dick slapping down Skynet were averted. So he's not a main character AND he's not a Living MacGuffin. In terms of plot relevance, where does that leave him? T3 and T4 tried to make him a main character and those movies sucked, so I guess the only other answer is "expendable for drama".
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a lot of action films are able to be "superficially" cool but only the best ones go beyond the superficial. Things like Mad Max Fury Road or the John Wick films have the superficial cool from action scenes etc but superior world building and thematic messages beyond it.
Most of the Terminator films have good action and great effects to reach the superficial cool level. But only the first two (and some would argue against it in the case of T2) really manage to go beyond that.
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