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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#301: Feb 26th 2016 at 3:10:20 PM

I think that unless the race of the character is specifically described (and there's some leeway there for re-imaginings and such), you should just try and actually cast the best actor for the role.

That's a really subjective guideline, though. It's rare that there's just one actor who absolutely nails their audition and the rest were just mediocre. Often times many actors who auditioned are a good fit for the part, and who gets it comes down to things like schedule, focus group polling, star power, etc. With those additional goalposts included, it's not hard for things like age and race to become implicit factors too.

Besides, no casting director is ever going to say that they didn't choose the best actor for the role. Even M. Night Shyamalan was claiming he did for his cast for The Last Airbender.

edited 26th Feb '16 3:11:05 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#302: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:38:31 PM

I also feel like it depends.

Rue, speaking for the entire series, is a rather minor character in the Hunger Games with a big impact. And her race wasn't a big thing to the series, but having her be played by a white actress with change a lot of the themes and context being brought up by her scenes. It would completely change the dynamic.

While I want to say any actor can play any role, it depends on what kind of a context or theme that would end up creating.

I never saw the movie (because I heard it was awful) but I didn't care that Sue and Johnny weren't the same race in the new Fantastic Four since A) People DO adopt kids of a difference race than themselves so its completely possible, B) its something that can resonate with some people easily, and C) Could have some interesting dynamics at play. But, from what I hear, it wasn't a good movie anyway.

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#303: Feb 28th 2016 at 1:22:50 PM

I think that unless the race of the character is specifically described (and there's some leeway there for re-imaginings and such), you should just try and actually cast the best actor for the role.

Which considering the overwhelming domination of white actors and actresses, and the fact that acting is a rather upper-class job as a whole (when your success isn't tied to family connections), is the best way to keep the lack of minorities as it is.

I think that there should be more movies which among the points they are trying to make, should prove that in many, many cases the race of a main character does not matter, in order to have the "white is default" rule disappear. Historical movies aside - and even then, it is much more likely to cast white guys and gals as non-white ethnicities than the other way around (has there ever been a black, latino or mixed race actor/actress cast in a historical role without somehow inserting this fact in his/her background?) - there is no real reason for leads to be overwhelmingly white.

As in, white people are not naturally gifted actors. But they have been here for the longest time, their ethnicity never stops them from getting a role, and they will never be accused of "getting a role because they are white" (so for diversity's sake). Instead, they will get the role because they deserve it.

Note also that I haven't seen anyone bat an eye at Michael Fassbender being chosen to play Steve Jobs. Jobs was half-Germa(nic Swiss), half-Syrian. Guess which half they favored to pick the actor that would play him. It is also the second time in a row a white guy played this extremely prominent mixed-ethnicity figure.

Another issue: what are the most popular movie genres? I would say that you have scifi/fantasy, historical, or crime. Crime might be the genre with the best representation of minorities, but it moved from the big screen to TV - it is becoming rather rare to get a huge crime movie these days. Historical goes down to "the real-life characters were white, so we have to pick white actors, y'know!" pseudo-fact that should be dismissed because real-life non-white characters are regularly played by white actors and actresses, but persists nonetheless. And many scifi/fantasy settings are based on other materials - graphical or not - which run on the "white is default" rule more than anything else.

So for dubious reasons, it is incredibly hard to change the fact that the most popular characters "have to" be white for movie producers.

edited 28th Feb '16 1:30:26 PM by Julep

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#305: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:34:11 PM

It's not so much a hint as a "we advertised this thing so we are obligated to actually make it available. The actual full episode has already aired.

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#306: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:49:31 PM

i meant it as a hint for those who only watch the bits that get on youtube.....

Edit: The bit's up

edited 28th Feb '16 11:48:27 PM by TwilightFalchion

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#307: Feb 29th 2016 at 12:50:15 PM

I thought "Drumpf" was a bit of an odd move for the show, but I generally enjoyed the segment. Some of the comments are crying foul in regards to lack of context and ad hominem attacks, but I don't know enough about Trump to know if that's accurate.

I can't wait to see if John does a segment on how US elections actually work. Based on how messy the 2016 one has been and some of his previous comments, it feels like only a matter of time.

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#308: Feb 29th 2016 at 1:06:04 PM

I wish he'd put in some kind of disclaimer about using those plugins on wikis.

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#309: Feb 29th 2016 at 1:17:57 PM

[up]Whats the issue there exactly?

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#310: Feb 29th 2016 at 1:29:25 PM

They perform text substitution in edit boxes. When you edit the source of a wiki article, the altered text is sent, thus vandalizing the article.

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#311: Feb 29th 2016 at 11:02:20 PM

So when you want eight-foot tall gold marquee letters in New York, do you have to custom-build them, or can you rent them from a prop company?

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#312: Feb 29th 2016 at 11:40:49 PM

You know, I feel weird now many trump suporter said he is not "control" by the "elite" ignoring he is very part of it as the rest, I mean he look the typical "corrupt rich guy who" from movies but suddenly he is this almost randian hero.

I mean Trump is the MEN who somehow is stick to it....does that makes sense?

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#313: Mar 1st 2016 at 12:50:40 AM

[up][up]I was wondering that too, assuming that they started working on the segment a week ago when Jeb Bush announced he was dropping out.

Checked and the Drumpfinator doesn't affect "trumpet", "trump card", or even just "trump" lowercase. So I figure this wiki should be mostly fine from accidental cases, but who knows about intentional swaps.

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#314: Mar 1st 2016 at 8:50:07 AM

Yeah the only mistake that could happen is turning Turbabout Trump into Turnabout Drumft.

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#315: Mar 1st 2016 at 9:11:22 AM

That assumes that we don't have a page on Trump or pages that make mention of him or his brand. Not to mention sentences that start with trump and thus end up with a capitalised T.

Just turn word replacement extension off when on the wiki folks, be safe not sorry.

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#316: Mar 1st 2016 at 9:22:45 AM

I don't think we have that many sentences starting with capital T-trump. I cross my fingers so that the next elections will not change that fact, because POTUS tend to become prominent parts of this wiki.

edited 1st Mar '16 9:22:56 AM by Julep

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#317: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:02:16 AM

Well, hopefully no one edits a Super Robot Wars page. Trump Card is the name of a move in the game.

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#318: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:53:01 PM

This week's main Story: Special Districts.....

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#319: Mar 7th 2016 at 3:33:25 AM

.....Haven't gotten to that yet, I need a extra big tub of Brain Bleach first for the audiobook excerpt of Ivana Trump having sex with Donald Drumpf...

Edit: also skimming Robert Morrow's twitter. That man is either abusing Poe's Law to previously considered impossible proportions

Or Texas just really felt intimidated by Drumpfs crazy and retaliated.

edited 7th Mar '16 3:40:41 AM by 3of4

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#320: Mar 7th 2016 at 4:28:22 AM

The last minute and a half is the most adorable thing ever.

I love how they found the kid size versions of John's shirts.

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#321: Mar 7th 2016 at 4:29:46 AM

I love how they brought in the Map Running Gag

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#322: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:34:45 AM

I though the joke was the kids didn't know where the Nile was for a change but have them recite John's spiel was amusing

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#323: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:38:03 AM

Well, the fun thing is that a kid in school isn't expected to know where the Nile is, but could easily find out, being in, you know, school and all. The joke is that adults are that ignorant when we have far less excuse, and that kids are pointing this out. The John Oliver mimicry is spot on, and hilarious to boot.

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#324: Mar 7th 2016 at 7:09:44 PM

If anything, it'd probably be easier for kids to remember where the Nile is because ancient world history is often taught in middle and elementary school.

That poor mosquito control district meeting video has been taken down, but there are mirrors of it and the district YT channel has others just like it on their page.

edited 7th Mar '16 7:11:39 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#325: Mar 8th 2016 at 8:10:39 AM

It's been taken down? Dam, I looked it up after and it had a few hundred views. Why was it taken down? Comments were disabled anyway.

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