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It has now gone up to 207 dead.
233 dead, 900 injured as per the latest report it seems
Edit: Another article seems to state the death toll is upto 280 now.
Edited by xyzt on Jun 2nd 2023 at 8:55:40 PM
In the name of being honest
Reuters: Indian government ordered an export ban on non-basmati white rice after heavy monsoon rains caused significant damage to crops. The country accounts for 40% of the world's rice exports, amounting to 22 million tonnes last year — 10 million tonnes of which are from now-controlled categories.
Though articles state regarding the repeal of the sedition law that they have been actually been retained with just a more expansive definition.
Edited by xyzt on Aug 12th 2023 at 3:11:01 PM
Sri Lankan president Ranil Wickremesinghe says AUKUS is a military alliance and it will backfire someday.
He mentions that China Merchants Group is in charge of a post in Sri Lanka and it’s not linked to the PLA. Sorta right since it’s under the Chinese Ministry of Transport.
I'm surprised the current topic regarding the assassination in Canada hasn't been brought up here yet.
I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hope, it seems like India has a rly big problem with fake news and right wing extremism. Makes it really hard to find an unbiased source for information about the person who was killed.
It was brought up in the Canadian Politics Thread:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13226639100A88052200&page=231
EDIT: I noticed that you already found that thread, I will stil live this link in case anyone else has the same question.
Edited by jawal on Sep 21st 2023 at 1:41:17 PM
Every Hero has his own way of eating yogurt
The defence editor of The Economist: Canada is pretty confident on the evidence that they have pointing to an Indian role. It is highly likely that more of it will come out in due course. In public, the Indian gov't has come out swinging. In private, I understand, the Indian signals are less categorical. Stay tuned
From what I am seeing here till now, pretty much all sides Modi supporters and opposition alike are criticizing the Canadian govt's allegation without providing evidence to back it up. I have seen the allegation that the Canadian prime minister is doing this to recover his falling popularity in his home due to his govt's failings in other sectors, by projecting strength, distracting from said failings through this confrontation while strengthening his support base among the Canadian Sikhs. I hope the credible evidence is revealed or made public soon as the more it is delayed, the more it feels like the above allegation on the Trudeau's motives feels true.
Edited by xyzt on Sep 23rd 2023 at 10:42:38 PM
That's absolutely ridiculous. There isn't a significant enough Sikh presence in Canada , and most Canadians don't even know what Khalistan is. There's absolutely no reason a politician there would give a fig about the movement. And we know already that these claims have been corroborated by Five Eyes intelligence. This is the Hindutva movement projecting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism_by_country
Just a FYI. Canada's got the biggest Sikh populace after India. Data got tabulated as of the 2021 census. Last census was in 2016.
It's the rally around the flag effect in action. That and I believe there is bad blood between India and Canada on Sikh-related matters, c.f the Air India 182 bombing.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Doesn't Canada have the second largest number of Sikhs after India (and largest by proportion)?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism_in_Canada
And like you had more Sikh M Ps than India did in 2019
And I am pretty sure the Canadian Sikhs do know what khalistan is as well as the massacre that happened in 1984 after Indira Gandhi's assassination, for which they rightfully won't forget or forgive congress. I am pretty sure any such aggression by Trudeau against India would be appreciated by the the Sikh populace there, and why would any politician not take the chance to gain more guaranteed support from minority blocs. After all, it is not like Canada has anything to lose by pissing off India despite what the overinflated sense of importance the nationalists here may have of their nation, I don't believe India is that influential on a global stage.
I also wouldn't call it just hindutva movement projecting when as I said, even BJP's opposition including Congress criticise the allegations.
"Trudeau's defence of declared terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar is absolutely shameful and shows how much the present Canadian regime is in bed with Khalistani sympathisers," Abhishek Manu Singhvi, a senior Congress lawmaker, posted on social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter.
Khalistan is the name of a would-be independent Sikh state whose creation was the goal of a bloody Sikh insurgency in the 1980s and 1990s in India's northern state of Punjab, during which tens of thousands of people were killed.
Also if the evidence of links has been corroborated, will the evidence be released soon or are they holding it due to some sensitive situation or such?
Edited by xyzt on Sep 24th 2023 at 12:47:33 AM
There's no reason Trudeau would have made these allegations without evidence. I've seen this point argued to death on social media, it's rly tiring at this point and goes to show how a lot of this is just right wing nationalism
As I understand the evidence still hasn't been released or made public for some reason though. And the arguments I have seen stated along the lines, if said evidence was so concrete why is it taking so long to release yet. If it has to do with normalising diplomatic ties with India, the damning public accusation itself has already hit any attempts of that with a sledgehammer. You might as well just make it public and defend your position strongly and definitively rather than asking India to "co-operate with the investigation".
Edited by xyzt on Sep 24th 2023 at 1:01:59 AM
My understanding was that Trudeau confronted Modi about it at the G20 summit , but was blown off. And then a newspaper was about to go public with it
Okay, but if the evidence hasn't been released yet, why? There is no bargaining chip siruation with them as you have already accused India of being the real mastermind behind the assassination, so then asking them to co-operate with an ongoing investigation while keeping the evidence of their publicly stated role under wraps is only hurting your own credibility and that of the intelligence agencies who corroborated said evidence, as it makes it look like you are more trying to keep pressure on India or buying time until something more concrete appears or everyone forgets about the affair.
Regardless of whether the accusation is true or not, the way of presentation has been pretty bad overall.
Edited by xyzt on Sep 23rd 2023 at 1:32:51 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-66885924
BBC mentions that some info on Nijjar's death may have been shared by the US.
Times UK mention R&AW and whether it's becoming the new Mossad.
PS - R&AW has a black ops unit called Special Group. It's not widely talked about, but anyone familiar with the agency should come across this name.
Ottawa won't mention it unless they need to, citing the need to protect the intel they got. That's kinda the basic.
Edited by Ominae on Sep 23rd 2023 at 9:29:38 AM
https://theintercept.com/2023/09/23/sikhs-fbi-canada-india-nijjar/
American law enforcement, including the FBI, have kept in touch with various Sikh communities about the same threats faced by their Canadian counterparts.
A procrastination in of itself
Yeah the exact evidence not being released is typical when there’s not legal action happening, as they’ll want to protect how they collected the evidence.
A lot of the rhetoric in relation to this also seems to be focused on the India that if the guy killed was a bad person then the violation of sovereignty should be ignored.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Hasn't it been stated already that part of the credible evidence was based on communications between Indian diplomats? The most I can see the issue with revealing the exact damning content of the communication is the implication that they may have tapped into the internal communications between the Indian govt and it's diplomats which I hear is a case of violation of diplomatic protocol which sounds more like an ethics issue rather than a much more serious violation of international law or a nation's sovereignty which the accusation leveled at the Indian govt us with the killing of Nijjar.
I also believe the investigation to find the culprit is still ongoing and it will lead to legal action later, so isn't publicly accusing India of a serious action and expelling the diplomat linked with RAW this early is premature when Canada then asks India to co-operate with said ongoing investigation after all this, when they most likely won't co-operate well after all this. Wouldn't this allegation have been much better levelled late or near the end of the investigation so that accusation is followed closely by the legal proceedings and the release of the credible evidence of said links (assuming once the culprit is caught and tried, said evidence will be released).
The paywalled article I linked also stated that some former Indian diplomats are unsurprisingly engaging in whataboutism arguing for western double standards in condemning this attack while celebrating the assassination of Osama Bin Laden or Soleumani. Osama Bin Laden would obviously be a crappy comparision as the guy was an internationally recognised terrorist and was not even a citizen or legal asylum taker of Pakistan where he was killed (as I believe Pakistan continued to claim they had no knowledge of his whereabouts). Regarding Soleimani, I am not sure.
Edited by xyzt on Sep 24th 2023 at 7:35:33 PM
Seems like the properties of Nijjar's extended family in India is being taken.
His uncle praised Trudeau for taking a stand.
Phil Gurski, ex-CSIS agent, did suggest that it may be better if Trudeau just waited for the right time to make the reveal instead of doing it now. He did say that he did the reveal, which would make things hard for CSIS agents to potentially do their job.
Edited by Ominae on Sep 24th 2023 at 7:53:21 AM
@ xyzt
I should some day really get to reading about the measures the Indian civilian govt took during its early days to ensure the Indian military didnt get similar political ambitions and ideas of their own.
India and Pakistan both being dominated by juntas... That will go smoothly!
Edited by HallowHawk on May 11th 2023 at 6:59:31 AM