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Footage has emerged of Delhi police beating students in the library of a Muslim university.

Without showing the first few minutes of the video where those same "innocents" were pelting stones at the police and setting fires.

Oh, and students who keep books closed. In a library. Especially that fellow at the bottom who has a mask on, trying to act all innocent.

Yeah, no. The cops shouldn't have beaten them up, but I have no sympathy for those protesters. A little harshness is long overdue.

Why? Because that law is long overdue. We're not going to let non-Muslim minorities in the Indian Subcontinent neighborhood get screwed over because self-proclaimed "defenders" say otherwise. If they feel so "insecure" about it, they can get lost to where they can feel all self-righteous about it.

And feel free to yell me down. Call me a proto-fascist or whatever else takes your fancy.

So you missed the student who had their face covered by the big yellow 'M' in your video and who did appear to be studying? Because they got beaten by the cops too.

Like I said, protesters. I did say that the cops shouldn't have beaten up people. Ideally, they shouldn't have used their damned sticks at all.

It is shameful that it has to be that way. But I want those hooligans to suffer.

I'm being utterly irrational, I know that. I loathe that. But I'm about fed up with their lies and the nonsense they're up to - to the point I want to fly back home and give them a piece of my mind.

Being so far away from home and see it go down like this is beyond infuriating. I'd go back now if I could to do something, anything, about it.

Yes, they definitely deserve to suffer for protesting an open campaign of ethnic cleansing. No, this definitely doesn't make you a fascist sympathiser, despite the government responsible being directly inspired by fascist movements and having a long history of anti-Muslim violence.

Ah yes, Godwin's Law. When there is no other recourse. Not even two posts in too!

For the record, I said hooligans. Not legitimate protesters. Burning buses, pelting rocks, yelling pro-Pakistan slogans and being shitheads inconveniencing normal people is not protests. That's hooliganism, plain and simple.

Far as I'm concerned, their "grievances" have zero validity. They can't prove their point peacefully, so they resort to vandalism. Well, to hell with them, and to hell with their "opinions".

And if that dismissal makes me a fascist, fine. I've been called far worse. Code-coolie, street-shitter, savage, barbarian, job-stealer, and so on and so forth. All of that and worse.

So call me whatever pleases you.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Feb 16th 2020 at 1:59:34 PM

Yeah? Inconveniencing normal people is part of protesting. That also sounds a little one sided on your part.

Public vandalism is a huge Berserk Button for me. Too many times I've seen it happen. If it were an organized protest (like how it is anywhere with a smidgen of sense, with the most aggressive being waving signs around or yelling at the Police), I wouldn't mind. At all.

Heck, I was initially supportive of them - since I believe (and still believe) that the law that's being protested against was not clearly spelled out, unnecessarily inflammatory, discriminatory (even if it has good intentions, if you want to look at it that way, and it's pretty clear very few on this Forum do) and it's implementation extremely difficult, if not impossible.

But these hooligans are going way, way beyond that. I've seen videos of them breaking stuff apart - furniture in Universities, statues in public places, pelting rocks breaking private property, burning public transport.

Heck one of them even tried being an agitprop and shooting a pistol near the protest sites - you can imagine how that would have gone down had people panicked.

That's not their Dad's property, as they say in India. That's the property taxpayers and normal people are paying for with their hard earned money. And it pisses me off completely that they're willing to damage that just to make a point.

Whatever their beliefs, nothing justifies that. Nothing.

So I'm dismissive of anything they have to say.

Edited by TechPriest90 on Feb 16th 2020 at 2:27:05 PM

i have never heard of a single Indian protest that does not inconvenience the public. From calling nationwide bandhs to strikes by drivers, they all inconvenience the public, that is how you convince the government to do something. What kind of utopia do you live in where protests do not inconvenience the public and still get their objective because that is not how India has ever been. BJP could easily stop the protests by simply extending the benefits of CAA to all communities but clearly that for some reason is unacceptable. Thereis a limit to how much one is willing to defend the government's actions.

Good god that man that was shooting was against the protestors not the police and you want to blame it on the protestors.

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/shaheen-bagh-shooting-anti-caa-protest-violence-delhi-police-protesters-1642353-2020-02-01

That shooter clearly sounded like a member of the sangh who are core bjp supporters but sure as per you he was part of the protestors and BJP is apparently playing both sides.

Edited by xyzt on Feb 17th 2020 at 1:48:19 AM

The guy actually shot and wounded one of the protesters - and, as a now-iconic photo shows, the riot police sat back and waited until he was done before arresting him.

So, Mr. TechPriest. The Hong Kong protesters in relation to these ones; how do you feel about them, then?

Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Feb 16th 2020 at 3:44:36 AM

And yet when the BJP does the same sort of bullshit, you just shrug and say thats unfortunate. So long as people like you defend people like Adityanath, your protests are bullshit.

I personally have a pox on all of them. If they do evil, it's evil. Simple. I don't try to defend it and I don't try to find pretzels to twist into in order to justify hatred. And as a Hindu I absolutely detest what the BJP is doing with my faith.

Man the hell up and take on the BJP with the same vitriol as you do anyone who opposes the BJP and maybe then people here wouldn't call you out.

Fine.

There's no point in arguing further.

Another video of 15 Dec Jamia violence surfaces allegedly showing what happened after the uncut version released by the police; CCTV footage shows trapped students as Delhi Police personnel break surveillance cameras

Also as per alt news media misreported a wallet in a student's hand as stone thrown by rioters

In a bid to pacify angry protesters in Assam against the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), a committee appointed by the Union Home Ministry has suggested setting 1951 as the cut-off year for defining the indigenous people of Assam and introducing an Inner Line Permit (ILP) to restrict the flow of outsiders into the state.

Edited by xyzt on Feb 18th 2020 at 9:59:51 PM

All they have to do is allow for Muslim refugees from Myanmar and Sri Lanka, and the CAA stops being a problem.

They could add Shia and ahmaddiya muslims too to the list since they are persecuted in their homelands too especially the latter.

Edited by xyzt on Feb 19th 2020 at 12:50:43 AM

Shia and Ahmadiyya consider themselves Muslim, so....

And the muslims from myanmar and sri lanka dont? This is one of the reasons i have an issues with CAA excluding muslims. Shias and Ahmadiyas are persecuted just as much as non muslims. Ahmadiyas are not even recognised as muslims in Pakistan because they allegedly dont recognise Muhammad as their final prophet while we ironically recognise them as muslims and are excluding them from CAA based on that. Talk about being screwed over by both sides.

Also what about atheists then?

Edited by xyzt on Feb 19th 2020 at 1:05:15 AM

Uh....what are you on about? I never singled out Sunnis. I said Muslims, which is a blanket term that would include Shia and Ahmadiyya.

Never suggested you did although you did restrict yourself geographically to muslims from Myanmar and Sri lanka (why only muslims for the latter). But if the idea of CAA is giving citizenship to persecuted minorities in neighbouring nations, then i believe Shia and Ahmaddiya muslims count as persecuted minorities as well as you noted rohingyas and all tamils irrespective of religion from Sri lanka.

Edited by xyzt on Feb 19th 2020 at 1:17:51 AM

The CAA is about the neighborhood. The current CAA is essentially about minorities in Bangladesh and Pakistan. Myanmar and Sri Lanka are the only other neighbors apart from China, which would still be counted as I said Muslims. Period. That doesn't specify sect.

"Long Live All Nations," Woman Charged For "Pak Zindabad" Slogan Had Said

Talk about taking being detached from ground realities to a whole other level. This was not the right time or the right place for her to express her naive views. At the very least she could have stuck to her original order with the exception of pushing pakistan to the very end.

Edited by xyzt on Feb 21st 2020 at 9:55:09 PM

Or even just saying it without mentioning nations at all.

shakes head