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Given how much of a hot topic the kashmir issue is for both countries, I don't think the people are going to get tired of it anytime soon if at all. Kashmir is treated as both a national issue and a religious issue (persecuted muslims) in Pakistan if I am not wrong. Add to that the impression of Pakistanis (from what I have seen) that the current Indian Hindu nationalist govt is heavily persecuting Muslims brought about by news of the current lynchings, the rise of the Sangh and their increased visible bigotry against Muslims and Modi's reputation as the "butcher of Gujarat" thanks to the 2002 riots, and I highly doubt the average Pakistani muslim is going to stop caring about the plight of his 'Kashmiri brothers and sisters'. And speaking of milking the Kashmir issue,
Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan, on Friday, warned of a direct military confrontation between 'nuclear-armed' states India and Pakistan over the Kashmir issue. In an editorial piece in New York times, Khan minced no words in saying that if the world 'does nothing' to 'stop Indian assault' on Kashmir, 'there will be consequences for the whole world'.
Bharatiya Janata Party leader Subramanian Swamy on Saturday said that the country may not reach its target of being a $5-trillion economy if “no new economic policy is forthcoming”. Swamy’s comments followed the news of India’s Gross Domestic Product growth falling to 5% in the April-June quarter – the fourth straight quarter of slower growth and the slowest growth in over six years.
This 5 trillion economy goal better not turn into the successor of the superpower 2020 meme.
The Himachal Pradesh Assembly passed a Bill on Friday against conversion by force, inducement or through marriages solemnised for the “sole purpose” of adopting a new religion.
Edited by xyzt on Aug 31st 2019 at 7:43:42 PM
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Pakistanis only care about Kashmir the same way Americans care about Israel: in the abstract as a concept. In the day to day, getting browbeaten over the head with Kashmir when local issues are as dire as they are, they simply won't have the time to get worked up when they gotta worry about putting food on the table.
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Still enough of a problem that it'll cause headaches down the line.
As for nuclear sabre-rattling, it's an irresponsible statement, and also an indication of how backed to the wall the Pakistani Establishment is.
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With Assam’s final National Register of Citizens (NRC) excluding over 19 lakh people, former Chief Minister and senior Congress leader Tarun Gogoi on Friday said the list published today is not “error-free” and argued that “lakhs of genuine Indian citizens” have not made the cut, while many foreigners have been included. He called for a review of all 19 lakh names and asked the NRC authorities to explain what went wrong.
The state of the economy today is deeply worrying, former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said, adding that "all-round mismanagement" by Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government has resulted in the slowdown. The veteran Congress leader's comments come two days after government data showed that India's economy expanded at its slowest pace in over six years in the quarter ended June 30.
The Jammu and Kashmir police have adopted a novel approach involving “revolving-door arrests” to contain the situation on the streets in the wake of withdrawal of the State’s special status on August 5. According to data with the police headquarters (PHQ) in Srinagar, around 1,500 youth have been picked up and released under a continuous process across the Kashmir Valley in the past few weeks. This comes amid rising incidents of stone throwing after Id.
Edited by xyzt on Sep 2nd 2019 at 12:48:13 AM
United States must support UN-backed peaceful resolution in Kashmir, US senator and presidential contender Bernie Sanders said on Saturday, adding that he was "deeply concerned about the situation" in Jammu and Kashmir. Jammu and Kashmir has been under strict restrictions since the government announced its decision to end its special status and split it into two union territories on August 5.
BHOPAL: On the occasion of Vimukti Diwas, the Denotified Tribes (DNT) of Madhya Pradesh handed a memorandum demanding better living conditions, removal of their names from "Habitual Offenders List" and equality to the minister of tribal affairs Omkar Singh Markam at the Congress office on Saturday. In the memorandum, the members of the DNT tribes also asked for a census of the DNT population and reservation of seats.
Edited by xyzt on Sep 1st 2019 at 6:56:52 PM
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Sanders forte is definitely not foreign policy, thats for sure.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
Odd, he doesn't want the US to intervene most of the time.
The ongoing standoff between India and Pakistan spilled over to Maldives Parliament on Sunday after Islamabad tried to raise the issue of abrogation of Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir. The exchange of words took place at the 4th South Asian Speakers’ Summit in the Maldives between Pakistan’s Deputy Speaker of the National Assembly Qasim Suri, Rajya Sabha Deputy Chairman Harivansh Narayan Singh and Pakistan Senator Quratulain Marri. Besides the trio, Lok Sabha Speaker Om Birla was also present at the event.
How many more international forums are left where Pakistan can bring up the Kashmir issue in vain?
Former Union minister Arif Mohammed Khan, known for his support of the Modi government's propositions to bring reform in the Muslim community, has been appointed the governor of Kerala.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/arif-mohammad-khan-new-kerala-governor-1594130-2019-09-01
Edited by xyzt on Sep 2nd 2019 at 2:04:55 PM
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So Cyril Almeida, a Pakistani journalist who generally has the pulse of Pakistan's reality and calls it like he sees it, says that the far right types in Pakistan have been outright directly asking the Pakistan Army to intervene via jihad. Almeida has said that there is only so long the military can resist that kind of public pressure, consequences be damned.
With Imran Khan losing venues and, frankly, an audience to make his own case to, thats only going to become more probable.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
So is there a chance we are going to get a Kargil 2.0 from their army soon?
The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has decided to move the Supreme Court to re-verify the National Register of Citizens (NRC) data as both the central and the state BJP feel that there's enough room for errors. The BJP will also seek re-verification of 10 per cent of samples from the mainland of Assam, the demand which will be against the draft NRC.
A New Delhi-based rights group on Monday claimed that more than 1,00,000 Scheduled Tribes who are original inhabitants of Assam have been excluded from the State’s controversial National Register of Citizens (NRC) released on August 31.
Assam: Excluded in NRC, Army soldiers ask should they fight enemy or prove citizenship
Looks like the NRC is proving to be a complete disaster for everyone involved.
Edited by xyzt on Sep 2nd 2019 at 8:49:19 PM
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The NRC has problems - but the biggest is apathy, both administrative and public.
The damned thing was supposed to start in 2012. The government dithered. Then in 2014 they started it after the Supreme Court raged at them to get moving.
The first draft was published in 2018 - with 900,000 people missing from the list. This despite officials yelling at people to get their documents together and provide them when asked. Then the government extended it by another year to placate everyone.
And after a year's extension, there are still 190,000 people off the list. The xenophobes are unhappy because a lot of the "other" (read - non-Assamese) are on the list when they didn't want them there.
Gibbering idiocy writ large. Do people really need five freaking years to get things straightened out? Ridiculous.
RE: Kargil 2.0 - It'll be far more humiliating than that for the Pakistanis, and the Establishment knows it. But if Almeida is being serious (usually is), it's bad news for them and everyone else.
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A number of political outfits in states neighbouring Assam have stepped up patrolling to ensure “doubtful citizens” excluded from the National Register of Citizens do not enter their regions, The Hindu reported on Tuesday.
Bangladesh's telecommunications authority has ordered all mobile phone operators to stop telecommunication services and sale of sim cards to almost one million Rohingya refugees living in Cox's Bazar camps. The decree has been issued in the interest of public safety following a series of violent crimes reported in the camps in recent weeks.
Former finance minister P Chidambaram, who was arrested by the CBI in the INX Media case last month, on Tuesday jabbed the government on the state of the economy that has dropped to a six-year low of 5 percent in the April-June quarter. Chidambaram, who has spent 13 days in the CBI’s custody, was ordered to spend two more days with the investigating agency.
The Uttar Pradesh administration has brought upon itself entirely justifiable charges of draconian, illegal and repressive conduct by booking the journalist who filmed the midday meal consisting only of salt and roti in a school in Mirzapur district on charges that invite the death penalty or life imprisonment. This while, those who rip off children to line their pockets, are free to continue doing so.
Edited by xyzt on Sep 3rd 2019 at 10:14:48 PM
London: The UK on Tuesday said any allegations of human rights violations in Kashmir since India revoked the Article 370 of the Constitution must be "thoroughly, promptly and transparently" investigated. Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab told M Ps in the House of Commons in the first parliamentary session after a long summer recess that he had raised the concerns with External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar during a conversation on August 7 and that the UK will carefully monitor the situation in Kashmir.
Clashes erupted in Kashmir on Wednesday after news broke that a student had succumbed to his injuries in what is the first confirmed civilian death since India’s decision to revoke the region’s special status. Asrar Khan, 18, from Illah-i-Bagh locality in the capital city Srinagar, was shot in the head by security forces on 6 August, a day after New Delhi’s decision.
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Additionally, a very brief listing of Pakistan's own behavior in the occupied territory.
"Targeted without provocation." Right, and I'm the Emperor of Tamriel. Always that nonsense about "unprovoked" firing - apparently the security forces are just supposed to grin while being pelted with rocks and rubbish, right?
Bloody provocateurs. They don't learn.
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There are less lethal ways of dealing with that. Just because you like the BJP government doesn't mean they are handling everything correctly nor does it require your defense of them no matter the situation.
What do you mean by don't learn? How do you expect them to protest? Have candlelight marches or write an angry letter to an uncaring government?
Also we are talking about a heavily armed military against civilians armed with literal sticks and stones. Using lethal force against such civilians is only going to rightfully bring criticism to the military not the civilians.
Edited by xyzt on Sep 4th 2019 at 11:39:18 PM
Throwing rocks is pretty immature but not really worth having heavily armed police shoot civilians for it. Similar things are happening in Hong Kong and though I disagree with the protestors allowing themselves to resort to petty forms of violence, I and most people agree that the police response of violently beating them is an abuse of their power. I don't see why that'd be different in this case, or hell, any. Even if we had a situation involving a bigoted asshole shouting racial slurs against the military, as long as it doesn't escalate too much farther past that I don't think the response should be to turn him into a bullet sponge.
Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 5th 2019 at 5:15:58 AM
Oh, bother.
The story is that the guy was just playing cricket nearby (according to his father) when police shot him with pellets right in the face.
The police tried to blame his injuries on a rock thrown by demonstrators, but the injuries are not consistent with that. They are consistent with injuries from being shot in the face with pellets.
So it seems like this isn't a case of stressed out police making a rock throwing protester into a bullet sponge. Rather, it was police shooting pellets into the face of a guy minding his own business.
Edited by M84 on Sep 5th 2019 at 5:38:16 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
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What do I expect them to do? I expect them to accept that they're not getting what they want, shut the hell up and get used to it. Callous? Yes. But 60 years of that has gone far enough. India's been wasting time and resources there it could've used literally anywhere else.
I'll fully admit it's more than me being biased - for me, It's Personal. I've lost people - good people - to those provocateurs and their instigators. I've seen some of my oldest friends living in penury because they were driven out by the locals for being Kashmiri Pandits. So I have No Sympathy at all for the locals there whining now.
What goes around, comes around. I'm not going to apologize for my response to them - it might be irrational, but it is what it is. Feel free to criticize me for that.
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If it's true that guy was minding his own business then thinking that makes it OK to unload into the face of a random innocent civilian is like agreeing with Liam Neeson's statement that it was OK to murder random black men just because his friend was raped by one. Even he realized why that was an incredibly warped belief to have.
Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 5th 2019 at 9:07:58 AM
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It is. I don't deny it. Heck, I'd be the first to say that my way of looking at it is horrible.
I make no pretence about the fact that it's a twisted way to look at things. But what other option is there?
The middle ground was systematically erased over the past few years. Do I really want to get burned again by thinking it'll work out by keeping an open mind to it?
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Diving head first into the madness just because the world is becoming mad is hardly an answer. God forbid it takes actual effort to be good, but then thats why the populists of the world are gaining traction as they are...
As for it being personal, I've had similar experiences from my family, but it doesn't justify painting everyone with the same broad brush. Ain't like Hindu groups are innocent of such behavior toward Muslims and Christians, be it in Kashmir or elsewhere in the union.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
To be taken with salt:
Satellite images show China road runs deep into Arunachal: Defence expert Abhijit Iyer-Mitra
There is only so long Pakistan can milk Kashmir as actively as it is now (as opposed to passive indoctrination per usual) before the people get tired of it and focus on the failing economy. Which means sooner rather than later, Pakistan has to shit or get off the pot with regards to what it is willing to do, physically, in Kashmir.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...