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Deadlock Clock: May 15th 2014 at 11:59:00 PM
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#26: May 18th 2014 at 3:53:28 PM

The primary difference is that we had a solid alternate name of Genre Throwback to fall back on, while all names we are coming up with here sound like "A Re-Cut or Remaster but using more words." Using Lucas in the name made it fairly clear it is something different than just a recut or remaster. I don't think we'll find an absolutely perfect new name for the trope, but it has to evoke the fact it includes new footage and FX on top of the original.

Modernized Updated Version maybe? But that almost sounds like a Remake. I'll just throw out a bunch of ideas:

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#27: May 18th 2014 at 4:35:28 PM

Digitally Added Aspect (or Digitally Altered Aspect) - make the trope about the changes, rather than the release.

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#28: May 18th 2014 at 5:50:54 PM

Honestly, the use of George Lucas in the name made me think (before I read the description) that this was a judgmental and negative trope (adding bad special effects or making controversial and/or unnecessary changes). The use of his name in such negative trope titles in the past has sort of poisoned it for me.

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#29: May 18th 2014 at 9:22:46 PM

Old Version New Effects seems the clearest choice for me. It succintly describes what the trope's about, it fits the trope's meaning, it sounds good.

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#31: May 19th 2014 at 3:43:49 AM

Still think that George Lucas Altered Version is pretty clear, IMO.

However, there's a specific technique used in works called "Repetition and Reparation", which is pretty much Exactly What It Says on the Tin except that the 'repair' part also refers to basic improvements and, in pretty much every instance, additions to the original.

Something like that? But Old Version New Effects is also pretty good [tup]

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#32: May 19th 2014 at 6:02:32 AM

Single prop crowner's hooked for the rename.

Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#33: May 19th 2014 at 3:58:18 PM

There certainly seems to be disagreement about the name, but the names being suggested imply differing definitions. Digitally Added Aspect (or something like that) would certainly be narrower than the Cut-and-Paste Revised Edition idea I had in mind, though since it's more specific it might be more tropeworthy.

Old Version New Effects, on the other hand, doesn't entirely make sense to me in context of the current Trope Namer, implying that there also exists a "new version" of the trilogy that is not the Special Edition or any of its later updates.

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#34: May 19th 2014 at 4:03:55 PM

I used 'Digitally' because it is the most common method of making the change. (The word itself is meaningless because everything is already digital0

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#36: May 19th 2014 at 4:23:07 PM

[up][up]No, not everything is digitally edited because not everything is that recent.

[up]That has the same exact problem. If there's a tweaked old version, what would be the new version?

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#37: May 19th 2014 at 4:30:33 PM

^^^^ Well the point is that this isn't a remake, adaptation or a simple recut, but a modification to the original. I personally feel that Old Version New Effects or any similar name like Original Version New Effects may be accurate but is kind of clunky, which is what happens with any name that has a comma or an implied comma.

That's why I like Modernized Recut, as it feels accurate and an actual name of a trope rather than using Buffy Speak to describe a trope (ie "It's like... the original version but new effects").

edited 19th May '14 4:30:52 PM by KJMackley

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#38: May 19th 2014 at 6:24:25 PM

[up][up] I'm sorry; I didn't type much because I was on my phone. "Digitally" is used as a Buzzword, it hasn't any semantic meaning in most cases:

  • Digitally Remastered
  • Digital Signage
No, this trope doesn't require computers to feature the effect. Added Aspect, however, is too generic. 'Digitally' is getting used as a Buzzword to make people mentally associate the trope to similar terms. There's very few examples of this trope (going forward from now) that won't be making use of some form of computerization in the process of altering the work.

Post Product Alterations.

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#39: May 20th 2014 at 4:19:08 AM

"Original version" would be better than "old version".

DiamondWeapon Since: Jan, 2001
#41: May 21st 2014 at 4:10:40 AM

Updated Re-release would be the obvious choice, if that wasn't videogames only.

CrazySamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#42: May 21st 2014 at 4:52:15 AM

Well, why not transplant that one to Updated Videogame Re Release?

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#43: May 21st 2014 at 4:54:10 AM

Because it has 2000+ wicks. That, and that name sounds really The Same, but More Specific.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#44: May 21st 2014 at 6:06:37 AM

But isn't it The Same But More Specific already? ???

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#45: May 21st 2014 at 6:08:35 AM

I am not familiar enough with video games to make that judgment call. In that case, we ought to merge this into that page.

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#46: May 21st 2014 at 4:03:49 PM

Updated Re-release is actually an extremely broad name and could apply to a lot of things, like a movie being released into the newest video format like Blu Ray. In addition to something like a Special Edition. We probably should expand that trope and make the video games just one category, but that doesn't solve the problem of the thread topic.

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#47: May 27th 2014 at 9:12:33 AM

13:4 in favour of the rename

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#48: May 27th 2014 at 12:36:02 PM

Looks like we've got consensus for the rename; calling it.

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#49: May 27th 2014 at 3:31:24 PM

Now we just need a name crowner...

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