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Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • The very first thing any contributor should do before working on an idea or a profile is to propose and nominate the idea on the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning, a paragraph of reasoning to justify taking a trope should be sufficient. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Attempting to work on ideas without a nomination and at least one net thumbs-up will not be accepted regardless of how much you have written already. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. For reworks in particular, nominate the idea as you would with new characters or profiles. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user, either in the Pantheon or the Sandbox sections.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters. Some real-life individuals, including content creators (fictional content created by them is still fair-game, but do not bring up the creators themselves in such cases), may be considered disqualified for profiles due to controversies that would make them concern the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment. To determine where a current creator would be disqualified:
      • Wait for at least a month after the latest significant update for a creator's controversy before any decision can be made. If a confirmation from the questioned creator (or associates) themselves occurs, then wait for a week.
      • Immediate disqualification for either a guilty sentence in a significant court case against the creator, or evidence of consistently repeated, deliberate, and/or intentionally provocative hate speech and advocacy of dehumanizing perspectives, with lesser examples warranting caution instead.
      • For creators with a clear persona of their character disclosed before any scandal, the persona can have a profile with no mentioning of their real-life information. Ambiguous existence of a persona would have to be discussed further hand for anything more decisive.
    • For obvious reasons, gods cannot be followers, high priests, or heralds. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one-week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions Expansion, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be one flavor text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like to look like Character Shilling.
    • Every troper new to the Pantheon is barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles, this means avoiding the usage of "[tup]" or "[tdown]".
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for the deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others. After all, no one is responding to their idea.
    • You can also adopt a profile or idea to work on from another contributor by messaging a request to them (preferably through private messages). Even if you get their permission, you still have to announce your adoption to the forum. Note that if the idea wasn't nominated in the first place you still have to properly nominate it.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to note in a trope example that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, correct the situation by deleting the offending text. This goes for any non-Pantheon page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Pantheon.Good And Evil Colors.
    • Do not bring things that would incite fights; hot topics and 'urgent' news are not pertinent to the Pantheon's mission. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight each other, so don't suggest things that go in that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.
    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • Please refer to Text Formatting Rules when writing a profile, since understanding how to make and edit site pages in general is a necessity for working on profiles or other Pantheon content. Additionally, if you are not experienced with English, refer to this forum page, as proper English spelling and grammar is expected.
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also, be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in another House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity at most.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part of their series' official soundtracks from the media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters' appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlight a character's behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute it to the original artist. Due to the website's dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too many bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, run the compressed image through other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikis to look for better images, as even wikis for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that make sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally an expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entirely from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well-advised not to abuse them. The only house where trope-less profiles are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
    • Do not write in self-promotion or blatant advertising. Minor references to something are fine but writing that clearly intends to advertise something will not be given toleration.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place, or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending on if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.
    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warper deities capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warper deities that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low-level Reality Warper beings capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Badass Normal citizens of the pantheon, making up for their lower status with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.
    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity: God X, God/Goddess/Deity of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on the representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral, etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here; the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignments to characters that don't have an alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case the deity would be unavailable, incapacitated, dead, or otherwise incapable of carrying out their duties. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.

    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either from their perspective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly oppose or are opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects", "On Good Terms With", and/or "Commonality Connection") in terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
      • OPTIONAL NOTE FOR CHARACTER RELATIONSHIPS: Should the list for Character relationships (IE. Allies, Enemies, etc.) become too big, categorize a certain number of characters to a specific group putting them on a sublist (One example: Luigi is from the same world as his brother Mario, hence Luigi should be fall under the Super Mario Bros sublist.)
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part, the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This is the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis of the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.
Template for Dominions profiles: Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as to where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.
Template for Treasure profiles: The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as to where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Tabs on Jun 24th 2024 at 7:51:43 AM

M1gamiTensei The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps from Punished “Brainwashed” M1gami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
#193476: Oct 8th 2022 at 1:07:01 PM

Kang was once Doctor doom and Im not okay with that

Also, if you wanna go after a reserved, better you go to them instead of them go to you if you catch my meaning.

Pantheon server for all who click here. Lost too much money and time, this coaster ain’t stopping.
Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
#193477: Oct 8th 2022 at 2:17:24 PM

[up] I don’t get the second part there. Could you rephrase that please?

Time to explore the world!
AzureLegacy Since: Sep, 2018
#193478: Oct 8th 2022 at 3:11:35 PM

[up][up] I’m assuming you’re responding to my post, so I’ll reply in turn. First, I don’t get why you’re evening mentioned that but alright, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Second, I’m not trying to get your profile or have someone else take it if that’s what you’re implying. I’m suggesting a potential interaction with a villain related to Ancient Egypt.

[down] Thank you for clarifying, it was both confusing and a bit misleading. Also do you want help?

Edited by AzureLegacy on Oct 8th 2022 at 9:57:38 AM

M1gamiTensei The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps from Punished “Brainwashed” M1gami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
#193479: Oct 8th 2022 at 5:16:09 PM

No, what I mean is that I gave to come up with something for Doctor Doom Kang despite the little info there is, and Im not okay with that. Ill find a way though.

No, Im not getting mad at anyone, Im just giving general advice for the second thing about going after reserved idea, just go to them instead. Sorry since I typed that while sleeping.

Edited by M1gamiTensei on Oct 8th 2022 at 5:18:42 AM

Pantheon server for all who click here. Lost too much money and time, this coaster ain’t stopping.
GeneralGigan Godzilla from A New Empire Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Godzilla
#193480: Oct 8th 2022 at 6:08:46 PM

Turtle Power has been cut. Is it okay to change the Ninja Turtles’ trope to Teenage Mutant Samurai Wombats (as they are the Trope Codifier) and move them?

SKREEEEEEEONK!
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
Necromancer10 Purple Necromancer from Crakcarz, the Continent of Wacky Necromancers Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#193483: Oct 8th 2022 at 8:14:17 PM

Probably should've had it changed already. Where would this move them?

Who in the Trope Pantheon is similar to Lord Blackwood? Any other SCP afficionados?

SCP-1867, God of Being Unaware Of His Transformation (A Gentleman, Lord Theodore Thomas Blackwood, CBE, 7th Viscount of Westminster)

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SCP-1867 in containment.
  • Hall: Form Mentalities (House of Shape)
  • Quasideity (Lesser God while human, Object Class: Anomalous Organism)
  • Symbol: Any of his 35 hand-written journals
  • Alignment: Lawful Good
  • Portfolio: Being A Man Who Was Turned Into A Sea Slug (Or Is He A Sea Slug That Thinks He's A Man), communicates with Telepathy, Cultured Badass, Cannot Grasp That He Is A Sea Slug, Tells Many Great, Possibly Fictional Tales, apparently Been There, Shaped History, Cool Old Guy, Raised Catholic, Fought 682 And Able, Has A Collection of Unique Fire-Arms, Unreliable Narrator, Intellectual Animal
  • Domains: British Explorers, Gentlemen, Sea Slugs, Transformations, Ambiguity, Naturalists
  • In custody of: The SCP Foundation
  • Allies: Theodore Roosevelt, The Doctor, Jonathan Joestar, Joseph Joestar, Robert E.O Speedwagon, Indiana Jones, Scrooge McDuck, John Carter, Sherlock Holmes, Edward J Plunkett, Lara Croft, Perry the Platypus, G-Force, Sandy Cheeks, Pinocchio
  • On good terms with: Albert Einstein
  • On speaking terms with: Spongebob Squarepants, Garfield Logan
  • Enemies: SCP-076-2, SCP-682, Dio Brando, the Pillar Men, Jack the Ripper, Mola Ram, the Coachman
  • Sitcom Arch-Nemesis with: Klaus Heisler, Albedo (Ben 10)
  • Wary of: The Hall of Fairies
  • Respects: King Arthur (or is it Artoria)
  • To the naked eye, SCP-1867 is a variable neon sea slug with telepathic abilities and not having aged in over forty years of containment. But to 1867, he is the 19th century explorer and naturalist Lord Theodore Thomas Blackwood. A quintessential British gentleman, he claims to have been on a number of great yet undocumented adventures across the world and even beyond, and has a long experience tackling the anomalous. What's more, there's strong evidence that a Lord Blackwood of his description exists and was a great adventurer, though there is room for exaggeration. 1867 is likely Blackwood transformed or reincarnated somehow...or a sea slug that ''thinks'' it's Lord Blackwood. SCP-1867 remains completely ignorant to no longer being human and anyone who says he's a sea slug is seen as an absurdity to him...despite still needing to be in water like any non-anomalous sea slug.
  • SCP-1867 might be annoyed by Foundation personell pointing out that he's a sea slug, but otherwise has a cooperative relationship with the SCP Foundation as he is one of their helpful and friendly anomalies. While human he has had a history with Mr Deeds, who's bell/SCP-662 he used to have in his collection. The two get along, though with his transformation they've grown somewhat estranged. He provides in-depth detail about the geography, botany, zoology, archeology, anthropology, and linguistics, as well as the more arcane mythology, mysticism, and cryptozoology of his adventures and findings to the SCP Foundation. The House of Knowledge cannot verify how many of his tales are true or tall, but he has donated valuable findings to them
  • The existence of Lord Blackwood has further been proven by the ascended historical figures who he met in is travels. One of their more noteworthy encounters was the adventure he had with Theodore Roosevelt himself back in 1883, where the two proved their badass chops by fighting SCP-682 (the "Tarasque") and SCP-076-2 (aka Able). SCP-1867 was glad that T.R found success in his political career and as the former still has a wanderlustnote  the two have started a correspondence with one another. He was happy to introduce the apparent sea slug to an old friend and one of the few to beat him in a fair fight: Scrooge McDuck. Though bewildered that he cannot perceive his transformation, he believes SCP-1867 to be the one and only Lord Blackwood, or at least the reincarnation.
  • SCP-1867's field of study and quintessential Victorian charm made him a person of interest to the Speedwagon Foundation, who amusingly enough Lord Blackwood always assumed was a myth. There he met Jonathan Joestar, a true gentleman who was studying for archeology before Dio through a wrench in everything. The first Jojo is one of 1867's most recurring visitors. Having heard of the menace of both Dio and the creators of the Stone Mask, Lord Blackwood wishes that he could've aided him and his grandson Joseph back in the day. He'd also like to say he was surprised to learn Jack was a vampire thrall, but that'd be rich coming from him.
  • SCP-1867 has requested the SCP Foundation allow him to talk with a number of explorers and detectives so they may give each other worldly advice and experience, and tell long yarns about their seemingly unbelievable tales. Due to the inherent crossover nature of the Trope Pantheon and their own peculiar experiences the O5 Council agreed this didn't break their pantheonic stance towards the masquerade, so the ever-helpful Lord Blackwood was given his due. Though internally incredulous that John Carter and Indiana Jones hadn't heard of him this quickly faded with the three sharing stories of their many adventures with the unusual. Lord Blackwood's friendship was later expanded to Edward Plunkett and Lara Croft because of their study and exploration. John Carter was intrigued to learn that Lord Blackwood also traveled to Mars, back in 1843.
  • Many deities have been transformed without knowing about it, but none can say they remain ignorant of it for several decades. Kuzco believes that SCP-1867 became a sea slug because of some really strong potions by Yzma and has suggested he should interrogate her for the cure, only for Lord Blackwood to ask "sorry if this sounds as rude, but did the llama potion have some side effects you're not aware of?". Having seen a really horrible version of animal transformation, Pinocchio feels that Blackwood is fortunate to still retain his faculties. SCP-1867 was utterly disgusted learning about the context of this and the continuing slave drive of the Coachman, and has sworn he will shut him down.
  • On a lighter note, the Mane Six wondered what would happen if he went through the portal from human to pony world. Would he become equine, human, some other creature or stay a sea slug? Lord Blackwood believes he'd be an Exmoor Pony. Also, though SCP-1867 refuses to realize he's a sea slug he will respect transformations of other deities. Beast Boy wanted to test his Oblivious Transformation by turning into the same species as 1867, only for Lord Blackwood to recognize what he transformed into. He finds his powers fascinating and Garfield feels he would've gotten along really well with his scientist parents. As Lord Blackwood is currently an Intellectual Animal Perry the Platypus and the G-Force consider him a potential ally to their detective/investigation agencies, and while he denies being an animal he is interested in the work they're doing.
  • No-one was quite sure how he perceives interacting with the aquatic side of the Trope Pantheon because he simultaneously needs to live in water and, because he still thinks he's human, thinks he would drown. Upon meeting Spongebob at his house, he envisioned himself wearing an old-timey diver suit. Gary panicked because he has a horrible experience with nudibranches but to his surprise Lord Blackwood was smarter than anyone he's met besides maybe Sandy. Lord Blackwood eventually got to meet Sandy and her inventions, and the two decided to put their minds together for the sake of knowledge. Spongebob tried to get SCP-1867 to eat a Krabby Patty, and while the anomaly didn't consider it all that fancy he did find it quite delicious. He does wonder just what that secret formula that makes it so loved could be, but respects the secret enough not to deal with it.
  • Albedo cannot imagine how he still thinks pretending to be human is something he likes, mainly because he's projecting his own issues onto SCP-1867. Lord Blackwood considers Albedo to be wasting his intellect on petty vengeance and being frustrated at his transformation. Klaus Heisler also isn't fond of SCP-1867, but out of jealousy; he used to be an up and coming athlete but was turned into a goldfish. He ended up the Butt-Monkey, but Lord Blackwood remains a respected figure (if still a contained one) in a powerful secretive organization. This anger is one-sided, but it wasn't helped by the anomalous slug questioning stories he told about his pre-fish days.
  • Lord Blackwood has been an active explorer since the 1830s, and is usually consistent of being a 19th century resident. However he also recalls being in attendance to the coronation of Queen Elizabeth I; he may not have aged in the forty years when Mr Deeds was in his valet but his childhood background doesn't suggest he's that old. Before he could be further questioned, the Doctor of all people came to his defense by admitting the two had a few adventures back in the day; he first heard of Lord Blackwood from his friendship with his godson, Winston Churchill. Following his ascension in the Trope Pantheon, he's become one of the Doctor's many companions.
    • Being a proud Brit he respects King Arthur, who given the crazy adventures he's been through didn't take much convincing to believe they're real historical figures. What confused him was how there was a female King
  • Some of the more "normal" things SCP-1867 has supposedly done include meeting up with Abraham Lincoln and finding they have the same height, paying a young Einstein's fare for a taxi, having his sexuality questioned meeting Franz Liszt and trying to become the first man to summit Mt Everest. He has faced down a number of anomalies; he searched for SCP-1000 (aka Bigfoot) in Oregon, 1857, ventured and survived the post-apocalyptic "Land of the Unclean" accessed through SCP-093 (even killing one of said "Unclean" monsters) and dealing with Herman Fuller's Circus of the Disquieting. He has bad memories of the Thuggee leading him to distrust Punjabi, and the vile actions of Mola Ram only help his prejudices. He is also not on good terms with the Hall of Fairies as he broke an Accidental Proposal in the Land of Faerie.

SCP-3125, Deity Of Infectious Ideas (The Escapee, , The Cosmic Starfish, Constellation Starfish, God of Fifthism, Mysterious Mega-Malicious, The Five-Named God, Eljor)

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SCP-3125 as it appears in SCP-6659.
  • Hall: Mind Games (House of Mentalism)
  • Overdeity (Object Class: Keter)
  • Symbolnote : A "spider" with a five-pointed starfish symbol on its back
  • Alignment: Neutral Evil
  • Portfolio: "SCP-033" Dimensional Fractal Eldritch Abomination, You Cannot Grasp the True Form, Associated With Anti-Memetic Spiders, Is Possibly The God The Fifthists Worship, The Assimilator via Mind Virus, Erases Those Who Witness Its True Shape, AND Their "Mental Bystanders" As A Defense Mechanism, It Can Think, A God Am I
  • Domains: Aliens, Living Ideas, Infection, Memetics, Assimilation, Otherness
  • Worshippers: The Fifth Church
  • Allies: SCP-682 , Ungoliant, Shelob, The Auditors of Reality, Starro the Conqueror
  • Rivals: The Chaos Gods, Darkseid, YHVH, Melkor, the Borg Collective, Chaos (Sailor Moon), The Idea Of Evil
  • Enemies: The SCP Foundation, AM, the Hall of Memes, Billy, Lucifer, The Emperor of Mankind, The Godhand, all Lantern Corps and emotional entities (eg: Iroque), Zamasu, the Hadou Gods, The Men in Black, Vril Dox/Brainiac, the Houses of Knowledge and Philosophy, Truth, Dream of the Endless, Wikipe-tan and Trope-tan, Fuminori Sakisaka, every human and human-friendly deity, honestly anyone not under allies
  • Wary of: The Nothing
  • There are higher planes of existence, and in one ideas evolved to become far more dangerous and aggressive than any normal mortal could naturally prepare itself for. SCP-3125 (true name: ) is an extra-dimensional meme complex, an Eldritch Abomination and Brown Note that intersects reality. Any human who knows about it is assimilated into a drone that only exists to spread its core concepts to other people. And those who see its true shape have their existence, and their family and colleague's existence erased and forgotten from everyone. And if it arrives in full, humanity as we know it will no longer exist; replaced by the idea of SCP-3125. Anyone subsumed by 3125 can no longer be recognized as human.
  • SCP-3125 is considered one of the most dangerous beings in the Trope Pantheon to personally interact, being akin to one of the Chaos Gods or Darkseid via the Anti-Life Equation fully forcing their will on some poor, unfortunate mortal. There are four main reasons why hasn't succeeded at assimilating the Trope Pantheon. One is that it is such a World of Badass that there are abstract beings on the Overdeity tier capable of fighting it off. Two is that there are small enough fragments to be potentially manageable, and if Project Prometheus goes as planned, SCP-6659 can be used to proverbially shatter SCP-3125 to pieces this way, once tied to a religion. Three is that there is a special chamber where it doesn't exist and thus can be talked about safely. And fourth, its antimemetic spider agents are physical and thus vulnerable to say, Billy freaking out. The SCP notably doesn't want to assimilate something so brainless.
  • The entity is believed to be the true god of the Fifth Church because of its connection to the number five, association with starfish and origin from the Fifth Dimension; a higher plane of existence where stronger ideas fed on the weaker ones in order to amplify themselves. This probably isn't the same place that Mr Mxyzptlk comes from, but as a high-tier Reality Warper he's one of the few who can witness the whole of SCP-3125 and come out unscathed. Personally he can't imagine why wants to assimilate humanity when trolling people is way more fun, but the eldritch idea stated "I follow my nature, and there are worse things for humanity to follow...AM for one; what he does to people is unthinkable". For those wondering why he singles AM out, its because he's a being who 3125 finds "disgusting" like the mysterious entity in humanity's subconscious, according to SCP-5000's records. Best not to ask what that entails.
    • SCP-3125 is allies with SCP-682 partly because they both sense "IT", which may be why the latter hates humanity. In the SCP-6820 timeline, 3125 aided 682 in gaining apotheosis. One can only hope and pray the mainstream 682 doesn't get an "upgrade".
  • Some other origins of SCP-3125 have it be one of the primal old gods at the beginning of time, the dreams of Jacob Montauk, a creation of the SCP-6998 phenomenon or when a cult known as the Disciples of the Unseen began worshipping a human subspecies known as Homo sapiens invisibili, who possessed antimemetic properties. Again, there is no canon. In terms of its appearance in the Trope Pantheon, SCP-3125 is at its core an idea-form and thought it'd be a great way to spread. By its inherent nature, is imicable to the Hall of Memes being it is an extremely dangerous and aggressive living meme...and they're jus its primary enemy. Barring some sparse allies the entity is opposed by the rest of the Trope Pantheon for wanting to assimilate all other wills and supplant weaker ideas. He is notably one of few eldritch abominations to whom Fuminori's warped perception offers no protection because 3125 is not so such "physically" abominable as it is conceptually.
  • SCP-3125 is the Arch-Enemy of the Antimemetics Divisionnote . Because they fight against enemies that often cannot be remembered, they make plans for losing memories to remain calm and know what to do even when they have lost their memories. Except for the specialized chamber, they must spend their time unaware of 3125 or bad things will happen. This is also where the neuralizers of the Men in Black come in handy as a means of fighting . Their similarity to the SCP Foundation has been noted to the entity, and like them sees them as a noteworthy obstacle to invading reality. As it is extremely dangerous to know about the Eldritch Abomination, the House of Knowledge considers the being extremely frustrating to deal with. Given his remorseless desire to gather knowledge, Brainiac is especially incensed he can never analyze and subvert SCP-3125. is also considered imicable to the House of Philosophy due to being a hostile idea-form that would kill the concept of philosophy within human beings should it win.
  • SCP-3125 could also be considered an inherent enemy of the human race as its goal is to replace their minds and ideas with itself. Though perhaps not as reality-breaking as the Chaos Gods, the Emperor of Mankind considers 3125's victory exactly as awful as if the Chaos Gods were to take full control over humanity and he has sworn to find a way to destroy the thought-form. The entity in turn considers the Emperor's soul/astral form as one of its main obstacles to making mankind an extension of itself. The Emperor has been informed of a plan by the SCP Foundation defeat it: if SCP-3125 is so intent on claiming to represent the very humans it plans on subjugating, they'll just make humanity itself a religion that SCP-3125 will end up connecting itself to, and then slowly build up an acquired immunity that will make 3125 appear as if it was never there. Given his anti-religious views, it's not something he'd do lightly.
  • It is one of the few beings the Godhand fear because by supplanting all other concepts in the human mind with itself, it leaves them with nothing to use and full takeover would destroy the Idea of Evil. It is also a being abhorrent to all Lantern Corps and the Emotional Entities because as those who are turned into its puppets are solely dedicated to thinking and spreading the idea of they would have no emotions. However Nekron is not a fan of SCP-3125 either since while the SCP is a conceptual being instead of alive, it needs life to spread its idea-form. That said, 3125 has teamed up with the Scarlet King so it was prudent enough to side with Nekron until they can stop the different Lantern Corps from being a threat.
  • Of the different Lantern Corps muses Iroque shares some of its principles because those under Heel–Face Brainwashing are only capable of compassion, much like those under its own will are only capable of thinking in relation to itself. The Hall of Mind Control have noted that SCP-3125's goals would make it an appropriate honorary member, however the Escapee thinks otherwise; what it is doing is far more than just "controlling" people's minds, and instead outright redefining them in a way that would make Moebius jealous. It'd be more accurate to say its goal is assimilation like the Borg Collective, but solely through Mind Rape and not any invasive surgery. As a living idea the Borg cannot assimilate SCP-3125, but they do know human minds lack any defense against because they have no natural experience to such an idea. As such, they're trying to both form a mental immunity to the entity and create a higher Borg-idea form to stand a chance.
  • Though the Idea of Evil needs humanity as it is to still exist, being a living concept means that it itself cannot suffer Mind Rape from . However, in the Fifth Dimension living ideas can and do kill and feed on one another so this far from a perfect defense. There was a conceptual entity who was better holding its own against the SCP: Chaos. Being the incarnation of evil itself, Chaos has influence on a universal level instead of simply humanity, and doesn't take kindly to a foreign entity like being an interloper. While the Escapee boasts of superior power, Chaos chides its hubris.
    Chaos: ''"You talk a big game and boast you're humanity's patron deity, but you're foreign, alien. I am intrinsic, eternal, so entrenched eliminating me will doom the universe to a slow death. I am greater and more important of an idea than you will EVER be".
  • Humanity subsumed by the will of SCP-3125 sounds compelling to the Auditors of Reality as mankind only following one concept and not a billion different others makes their paperwork much easier. They still like Nekron more as no form of life is still simpler than 3125-based life. As the Auditors are also idea-forms, feels that criticism is hypocritical. Humanity subsumed by a single idea also sounds compelling to Darkseid and YHVH as well, but their problem is that that "idea" should be them instead. 3125 is such an overwhelmingly powerful being the two have to argue with in their own high-concept, overwhelmingly true forms.
  • SCP-3125 considers itself the patron deity of humanity, and its savior for fighting "IT". The House of Religion and Faith asked if it looks down all the literal deities present that civilization has come to recognize, to which it replied "yes, obviously". Lucifer sees SCP-3125 as similar in nature to YHVH, and thus utterly abhorrent. 3125 personally cannot understand what he finds valuable about mankind as they are now. The living idea is seen as one of the few beings Dream feels he needs to step in to deal with as those assimilated into the idea of are so singularly motivated they cannot dream or imagine anything anymore. The hold the meme complex has on people also cuts them off from the Chaos Gods being able to influence them, with all four regarding as a rival power.
  • Because of its usage of antimemetic spiders, SCP-3125 felt it pragmatic to side with some spider deities for the time being. Ungoliant was picked to aid its ambitions because of her feud with ex-ally Melkor. SCP-3125 saw him as a being like itself; one who spreads their will and idea into the foundations of reality. In Melkor's case, it is his evil, hence his God of Evil role in Arda. Granted, works on a much different and stranger manner, but there's a basic principle the two share. However, despite its pragmatism the meme complex finds the Villain Team-Up an inevitably temporary situation. The wildest goal of the living idea is to take after/supplant the Hadou Gods by taking the Throne, in order to become the dominant Law and defining principle of reality.
  • By its nature, SCP-3125 is a lie. An embodiment of lie, the number five, rage, violence, constellations, defeatism and transcendence. It is so counter to how people should be Truth regards it as anathema to the will of the universe and itself. SCP-3125 is also capable of manifesting a human form to not destroy the minds of those it interacts with, looking like a man in their 20s. Another "form you are comfortable with" (or rather what the Fifth Church sees as its true form) of the meme complex is a one-eyed starfish. Its more a simplification, though it did make "Constellation Starfish" think of an actual starfish that subverts people's will; Starro the Conqueror. In another case of alliance for the sake of convenience, and Starro decided a Villain Team-Up between the two was worthwhile.
  • Though SCP-3125 has a great amount of confidence, it does fear something; the anafabula SCP-2747, an anti-narrative who's existence is imicable to the very idea of storytelling. Think the Nothing, but more metafictional and a lot more dangerous. While less scared of the Nothing than the anafabula, the imagination-destroying force of oblivion is not something the Escapee wants to deal with. Despite few if any members of the Trope Pantheon liking they agree with its pleas that 2747 should not ascend. On the flip side, Trope-tan and Wikipe-tan consider 3125 almost as bad; if humanity only thinks of and spreads one idea and concept, tropes could no longer exist in man and looking up information would become irrelevant.

mdalsted mdalsted from Chisago City, MN Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
mdalsted
#193484: Oct 8th 2022 at 9:15:59 PM

Dr. Tenma, who represents Incorruptible Pure Pureness, may be in the wrong House; his trope seems less like an Emotion trope and more like a Hero trope. Permission to move him to the House of Heroism? If so, which Hall would he go to?

Edited by mdalsted on Oct 8th 2022 at 11:58:16 AM

Freudian Excuse: Not one person is entirely good or evil; something will have to have happened in the past to make them what they are today.
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mdalsted mdalsted from Chisago City, MN Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
mdalsted
#193486: Oct 8th 2022 at 11:56:27 PM

[up]That could work. Alternatively, what about Heroic Archetypes? The trope in question has, after all, been around for a loooong time.

Freudian Excuse: Not one person is entirely good or evil; something will have to have happened in the past to make them what they are today.
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#193487: Oct 9th 2022 at 2:47:26 AM

Okay. I'm finished with reading Sylphid's SSLP of Atelier Lulua. Time to show the thread my premature results.

Evaluation Mode

First draft.

Rorolina "Rorona" Frixell, Totooria "Totori" Helmold, Merurulince "Meruru" Rede Arls, and Elmerulia "Lulua" Frixell, Goddesses of Item Crafting (Rorona: Cabbage Girl, Cabbage Princess, Titan Girl, Beloved Mother | Totori: Pupil #2, Legendary Alchemist | Meruru: May, Mini Master, Pupil #3, Wandering Former Princess, Masked M | Lulua: Nano Master, Fate-Burdened Child, The Second Coming of Rorona)

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Left to right, top to bottom: Rorona, Totori, Meruru, and Lulua in their respective debut appearances
Rorona in Atelier Totori 
Rorona in Atelier Meruru after a Potion of Youth mishap 
Rorona in Atelier Meruru back to normal 
Rorona in Atelier Lulua 
Totori in Atelier Meruru 
Totori in Atelier Lulua 
Meruru in Atelier Lulua 
  • Intermediate Goddesses
  • Symbol: Their respective staffs/wands
  • Theme Song: Atelier Rorona (Rorona), Atelier Totori (Totori), Princess March or Alchemist Girl Meruru's Song (Recorder version) (Meruru), Wagon Atelier (Lulua)
  • Alignment: Neutral Good, though Meruru also leans to Lawful Good
  • Portfolio: Item Crafting, Master-Apprentice Chain, A Master Makes Their Own Tools, Broken Out Of Medieval Stasis, Magic Staff, Mundane Utility, No Antagonist, Full-On Idealism, Determinator, Famed in Story Come The Sequels (exc. Lulua), Item Caddy, Revering Their Predecessors (exc. Rorona), Trademark Favorite Food (exc. Totori) (Pies for Rorona, Mushrooms for Meruru, and Curry for Lulua), Cordon Bleugh Chef (Rorona and Lulua only)
  • Domain(s): Alchemy, Items, Master-Apprentice
    • Rorona: Pies
    • Totori: Adventuring
    • Meruru: Royalty, Urban Development, Mushrooms
    • Lulua: Curry, Magic Books, Alternate Options
  • Heralds: Astrid Zexis (Rorona's master), Sterkenberg Cranach (recurring companion across all their adventures), Hom and Hom (Rorona's—and later Meruru's—homonculus partners), Cecilia Helmold (Totori's sister), the Chims (Totori's homonculi), Piana (Totori's adopted sister and other apprentice, and Lulua's master), Keina Swaya (Meruru's maid and Childhood Friend), Chim Dragon and Chim Marudayu (Lulua's homonculi partners, "evolved" Chims), Stia (Lulua's partner)
  • Allies:
    • Rorona:
    • Totori:
    • Meruru:
    • Lulua:
  • Rivals:
  • Enemies: The Dahaka (especially for Lulua and Rorona)
    • Rorona:
    • Totori:
    • Meruru:
    • Lulua:
  • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that have various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.) other than allies, rivals, or enemies.
  • Respected by/Respects:
  • Pitied by/Pities:
  • Opposed by/Opposes:
  • Conflicting Opinion:
  • When it comes to the game mechanic of Item Crafting, where you merge certain items and maybe do a little more extra to create a new item, the Atelier series is what popularized it in JRPGs, and its games are built around this mechanic. But because the first series aren't available outside of Japan, and because the Mana-Khemia spinoff duology and Iris trilogy don't have as much focus on the Item Crafting part, the Arland quadrilogy was explored instead, and its main characters were selected to represent the franchise. It also helped that someone wanted to ascend Rorona Frixell to represent Pies at the House of Food, but then it was decided to also ascend select people down the Master-Apprentice Chain. But let's get to who they are first.
    • The first is Rorona Frixell, an apprentice alchemist born in the capital of the Arland Kingdom. One day, a knight nicknamed Sterk delivers a message from the government: due to the recent advancements in steam technology, they will no longer support the art of alchemy and have made plans to shut her workshop down. The only way that Rorona can change their mind is by carrying out a series of tasks over the next three years designed to prove that alchemy can still be relevant in modern day life. With her alchemy teacher Astrid being too lazy and apathetic to care, it falls to Rorona to develop her alchemy skills and save her workshop from closure.
    • Eight years after Rorona's tale, the second is Totori Helmold, a young adventurer from Alanya Village who is travelling across Arland (which has since become a Republic) on a grand quest to discover what happened to her Missing Mom. Having been taught the art of alchemy by Rorona, Totori slowly develops her skills as an alchemist to aid others and her own journey, with the goal of becoming a famous adventurer firm in her mind. She eventually learns what happened to her mother Gisela; she had gone out at sea to take on the Flauschtraut terrorizing it, but failed to slay it, though she managed to deal enough damage to it for her daughter's party to finish the job years later. However, her ship ended up wrecked and she was left stranded in another continent across the sea and at a snowy village. She then proceeded to have a crack at the Devil King that was causing mass destruction to the north that required sacrifices from the village to be appeased, only to just end up tying twice against it, and passing away from illness/injuries and being buried at her ship at her request. Totori would eventually finish what her mother couldn't and put a stop to the Devil King.
    • Five years after Totori's tale, the third is Meruru Rede Arls, the Rebellious Princess of Arls, a small kingdom located in the northwest of the Arland Republic. Bored with palace life, she impulsively decides to become an alchemist under the tutelage of Totori. This does not sit well with her father Dessier and royal retainer Rufus given tragedy befell Meruru's aunt Sofraneis Yerx Arls as a result of following a path of adventuring (plus alchemy) alongside Dessier and Ludwig Giovanni Arland prior to their reigns as kings, when she tried to develop the wasteland around the volcano Mt. Velus. Specifically, she had to put to sleep a demon in the volcano that would've turned Arls into a wasteland, so they propose a deal: if Meruru can prove that her interest in alchemy is not just a passing fad by improving her skills and using them to develop Arls into a thriving kingdom over three years just as Aunt Sofra had with her adventuring before she died, then she will be permitted to complete her training. And just like Totori before her, Meruru would eventually finish what her parent('s sibling) couldn't and put a stop to the Firedrake Airshatter. Then, she successfully made Arls a great place before the merger was completed, thus abolishing the royalty. After that, she began to travel the continent at her father's suggestion.
    • And eight years after Meruru's tale, the last in this line is Lulua Frixell, adopted daughter of Rorona, and apprentice of Piana, who was Totori's second apprentice after Meruru, and grew up in a frontier village named Arklys. Though she studies hard to surpass her mother (who actually didn't really teach her alchemy, leaving that to Piana), she doesn't start out particularly talented at the art. And then Lulua finds a strange book which she dubs "Alchemyriddle", which only she can read, and which mysteriously reveals a hint whenever she needs to use alchemy to solve a problem. One day, Lulua receives a letter informing her that her mother's Atelier is about to be shut down due to its license expiring and technically fails to save it, but gets to save it anyway...under her own name instead. In order to save the workshop, Lulua heads towards Arland, which begins a great adventure during which she will learn much about the world and herself. And that includes an actually robot girl named Stia, Fellsgalaxen at risk of collapse and taking Arklys with it, Mana being the same/better kind of robot as Stia, having to choose to sacrifice Stia to save Arklys (and Arland as a whole) or find another way via a Memory Core to temporarily store Stia's memories so they won't be erased, and an alternate timeline and desiring to change the fates of its Lulua and Stia with a Restore Core.
  • It is not known how exactly Rorona's line of alchemists made it to the Pantheon, but it came in the form of separate invitations sent to each of them after Lulua saved both Fellsgalaxen (plus Arklys above it) and Stia, and her efforts to make sure that this fate is consistent in all timelines, as well as an accidental misuse of the True Dragon Hourglass. When they were sent to the Court of the Gods, that's when they realized they were now in the ages (and attire) they were when they just finished their own adventures, and none of them have even taken any Potions of Youth. The Court explained the reason for the alchemists' Ascension, and that it came with the ability to swap to any of their previous appearances at (except Lulua, who is the last known one in the chain, though the dress of her Parallel Timeline self is available). Speaking of the Potion of Youth, Rorona also now remembers her time as a kid after using that, and how embarrassing some of those are, even if Lulua wants details.
  • Applies to all or some of them:
    • Their collective temple is named Atelier Arland, since it's the realm all four alchemists resided in, from its status as a kingdom, to its reformation into a republic. All four alchemists and their Heralds reside and work there, and it takes elements from all the workshops they worked in, but Rorona also has a mobile Atelier that she and Lulua take and travel on. Assisting in item synthesis are the two Homs made by Rorona's master Astrid (one made first to assist Rorona, and the other made much later during Meruru's time), five Chims made by Rorona for Totori, and one of those named Chim Dragon has become something a little more. Totori even uses the Chims for battle by sending one to a foe in a kamikaze run and blow itself up for powerful Fire damage (though the Chims themselves just end up lightly charred yet whole after that). In case anything happens, there's also a repository for making more Chims called a Hom Motel. Unlike Hom, they can only replicate synthesis items and consumables, and require pie as motivation (Chim Dragon still has similar obsessions). While they can certainly be instructed to replicate pies for themselves, it's usually better if their mistress(es) do(es) it instead since their pies usually come out better, and thus further motivate them. However, with certain potions, Totori can "evolve" Chims to be like Chim Dragon.
      • There's also a Pie Shop on the side whenever Rorona is in the mood for making pies, though was demanded to have it open at least once or twice a week. That said, she also makes curry, but only for Lulua, who in turn is considering opening a curry shop on the side as well (and may as well just fuse the two into a single store). Totori is also known to be able to make alcoholic drinks (including variants made with fish) via alchemy (having synthesized them among other things since age 14), though usually doesn't drink even after becoming of age. Naturally, Rorona and Lulua are experts in making their favorite foods (though Lulua can do pies too), be it the traditional way or through alchemy. As for Meruru, while she's a big fan of mushrooms, and can synthesize a number of mushroom-related dishes, she's not nearly as obsessed with making them as Rorona and Lulua are.
    • Regarding Rorona's mobile Atelier, the reason it has no windows and why doing anything extraneous like item synthesis is ill-advised while it's moving is because of how physics is messed with to make it Bigger on the Inside and because the place tends to bounce a lot while traveling, not to mention the wagon potentially collapsing on itself otherwise. At least with the existence of consoles and smartphones in the Pantheon, there's more to do, such as planning what recipes to synthesize once the mobile Atelier stops, taking inventory, talking with people outside the wagon, etc. They have special Containers across their temples and Rorona's mobile atelier that all connect to the same storage space. That said, they've never checked what would happen if two or more Containers have their contents fiddled with at the same time. Totori also has a "secret bag" that connects her Basket to these Containers as well. Lulua has one such "secret bag" too, but it's limited to just sending her entire Basket inventory to her Container.
    • Despite their stories being interlinked, there are memories of Multiple Endings for each of them, though obviously only one of each is canon to make way for the next one.
      • For Rorona, after successfully proving the worth of Alchemy to the rest of Arland's higher-ups given Sterk and Gio already think well of her, and inheriting the workshop from Astrid for good, since she decided to leave for another town to rebuild her reputation, she may have taken a few days to bask in her accumulated wealth and lay off after three years of hard work, opened a pie shop and sold the pies she baked and concocted, ditched the workshop to Hom while she goes on monster-hunting adventures with Cordelia, life continues on without Astrid leaving and doomed to be boring, leaves town anyway to learn more alchemy due to her nonexistent reputation with the populace rendering her workshop non-profitable, either with only Hom, or also with Lionela (and becoming a dancer like her), or also with Tantris, or has become a screw-up in alchemy and has become explosion-prone, though her reputation with the populace allows her to stay anyway (and perhaps either becoming Iksel's screwy assistant in his shop, or end up getting Sterk as her minder)]. However, the ending that would eventually lead to her taking in Totori as an apprentice would be where she becomes highly influential and busy as the town's alchemist, and maybe either gets Cordelia as her manager after spending far too little time with her, ends up becoming the Royal Alchemist thanks to Gio, the King of Arland, or manages to keep up thanks to her friends, and eventually get an alchemist rival in the form of... her own returning master Astrid.
      • For Totori, after five years of adventuring and proving she's certified for it, she may have continued being so only for her village of Alanya, adventured together with Gino (but with Sterk and Rorona constantly coaching them from behind), adventured together with Melvia (and occasionally visit the village where Gisela passed away), adventured together with Mimi (and become famous enough for their tales to be written in books), adventured with Marc to determine the secrets of the land's Lost Technology (on a giant robot, no less), became an Alchemy co-teacher with Rorona (though Totori ends up getting more attention with the students and inadvertently upstaging her), went to Arland to work with Rorona… and end up arguing over who gets to take Sterk with them on adventures, went overboard with making Chims (over the maximum 5 she can make in-game) that they eventually replace the adventurer system at Arland, or ended up opening an Alchemy Restaurant under her name with Gerhard, Iksel, Ceci, and Rorona. However, the ending that would eventually lead to her taking in Meruru as an apprentice would be where it turns out Gisela survived after all thanks to help from Astrid, but had to recover for eight years before she was finally able to come home, and then a year later the Arland Republic decided to send Totori to the Arls Kingdom to help develop it with alchemy.
      • For Meruru, after five years of developing Arls before their merge with the Arland Republic, and thus ceasing to be a princess, she may have failed to rise in fame and became lethargic for a while before deciding to find a new goal, moved to a new atelier where she's super busy, became overburdened by all the development and synthesis requests that she decided to help Rufus with his job instead, raised Arls to become highly specialized in agriculture to the point of getting a new local delicacy thanks in part to her alchemy, raised Arls to become a tourist getaway thanks to a hot spring Peter found, became so charismatic that her own master Totori and Mimi vye for her attention, became a frontliner in the defense of Arls's borders, even if she's a reckless planner, became a confident, powerful, and successful adventurer with Keina by her side, witnessed Rorona restored… to 14 years of age when she first started her rise in alchemy, or witnessed Astrid reforge the Potion of Youth thanks to Meruru's work to be able to adjust all the alchemists before Meruru to 14 and have a tea party. However, the ending that would (likely) eventually lead to Rorona returning to her normal age (and therefore able to adopt Lulua in the future) would be where Astrid challenges Meruru to further perfect the antidote to the Potion of Youth by synthesizing the True Potion of Youth, and Meruru succeeding exceptionally well enough for Astrid to follow through on her promise.
      • And for Lulua, even without any sequel to require one to be rendered canon, there are also multiple ways her story reaches its conclusion in the eyes of the player. She may have failed to find a way to save Stia, and sent her Alchemyriddle back in time to another Lulua in the past just like the Lulua before her, settled down in Arklys to run her own atelier with Stia by her side, supported Eva with running the orphanage they both lived in while still running her atelier, traveled with Aurel as they honed their prowess in battle together, even if they quibble as he teaches her swordplay, traveled together with Piana in their wagon Atelier, teaching alchemy wherever they went, traveled together with Ficus as street performers and as seeking to aid young minds with potential for growth, joined Niko's exploratory fleet in his mission to discover new trading routes to the Eastern Continent, bid farewell to Rorona and Sterk as they departed from Arland to explore the Eastern Continent (which may have happened anyway no matter what), or opened her own curry shop with the help of Stia, Chim Dragon, and Piana, even as her non-curry alchemy requests declined. However, what is considered the Golden Ending is where her skills started to rival her mother's, and she decided to depart from Arklys with Stia to further her craft even more.
    • As alchemists who partake in combat sometimes, item use is their main method of doing that, besides their staffs, which double as stirring implements for their Alchemy work. They are as follows, which include bombs, Beast Statues, cannons that shoot balls of magical power, and other healing items. There's even a Tera Bomb that can risk one-shotting everybody on foot without the proper attributes like "Narrow Range +3". More of their attack items can be seen in the following links.
      • Out of the four, Meruru is most competent in terms of physical attack via staff. Naturally, she's still more suited as item caddy. That said, by the time of Lulua's adventure, Meruru has switched to using a sword (and Totori switched to an Alchemy-made book that can summon whatever she needs to synthesize something). Lulua herself also has a pickaxe crafted with alchemy, though only for busting stone and mineral obstacles. And given all the things they cart around and the explosives they throw, all four alchemists are deceptively strong, with Lulua even able to beat a seasoned veteran knight (who's survived hits from dragons and is a grand legend himself) in an arm-wrestling match (though he was holding back the first time, and can possibly trounce her in subsequent matches). Lulua even tanked a cannon shot point blank with barely a scratch while she was trying to convince her friend to have some extra-special Philosopher's Curry.
    • Despite looking like a simple task of mixing stuff in a cauldron, there is more to "Arland Alchemy" than that, thus why it's actually quite difficult to teach. And there are implications that this method of Alchemy might actually be some sort of alien technology. Rorona is considering once more the prospect of teaching her method of alchemy, with the young earth pony Apple Bloom as her first student in the Pantheon. Totori already took steps to establishing an Alchemy Classroom just like before during Lulua's time at the old Atelier Rorona, though it's not known if she already got Rorona's permission to do it back then, or if she would've gotten approval anyway as Totori's just about the last person on the planet Rorona would ever say "No" to. Between the four, only the first two have actual experiences with apprentices, and Totori's the much better one between them (apparently, it makes much more sense to those with natural intuition for alchemy, which is how Totori learned anything at all to teach others later, while Rorona struggles to even teach Lulua how to synthesize Pie as opposed to baking it). Meruru isn't suited to teaching, hence why the Master-Apprentice Chain didn't continue with her, but she's getting better thanks to Lulua and has taken her in as her junior. And Lulua herself is looking to be a prospective teacher as well.
      • Compared to the others, Totori is more involved as an adventurer and has started going out more often with their like than the others, such as the Etrian Odyssey Guilds, Keyblade wielders, or Tadano Hitonari. And ever since her father suggested it after abdicating the throne, Meruru has also become more involved in traveling, and even a brief stint in vigilante work as Masked M (before having to stop after it turns out most people are too smart (or too dumb) to fall for her Paper-Thin Disguise). And this means taking requests in the Pantheonic Soldiers of Fortune.
    • Once their temple and mobile atelier were properly set up, Atelier Arland was open for business, and each of the alchemists have gone out to various shops that sell sundries, food, or (pre-modern) weapons for purchases, "Wholesaling", and selling of supplies to them just like before, at least in Rorona's case. And there is a much wider variety of materials in the Pantheon as well, such as Plorts (getting them a business partner in Beatrix LeBeau, though she won't tolerate her slimes being attacked unless they're fighting Tarr), shards of Kryptonite, [[Franchise/Stalwart Kyber crystals]], Redstone, all sorts of Fantastic Flora, and other minerals and liquids. Additionally, everything in the Dominions Expansion has shown plenty of new resources to try out, though some areas were off-limits, and others way too dangerous even for the likes of the alchemists.
    • By the way, ship parts can also be synthesized, but it has to be in parts since there's only so much room in a cauldron. Totori and Lulua are most experienced with this, having done this before on behalf of a shipwright father and a "pirate" friend respectively. For some reason, they all have a strange fascination with barrels, even if they use them in battle sometimes. At least to Lulua, saying the word out loud brings a strange ineffable sense of joy. There is "fun" opposition from Pew Die Pie as a result, who hates barrels with a passion.
    • As alchemists, they drew interest from others of similar professions such as the Elric Brothers, their allies, and Anataeus Vaya, as well as potion makers like Severus Snape and Horace Slughorn. And now they have to get used to having genuine enemies as well, who would want nothing more than to exploit them for weapons, mainly explosives, and especially the N/A bombs. As such, they also have troubled relations with Plague Knight and Mona, but less so for Lulua, who finds their explosives fascinating, just excessive when they use them for absolutely every problem.
      • And then there's the Potion of Youth Rorona once made with Astrid during Meruru's apprenticeship under Totori, and Meruru's further improvement on it to successfully bring her back to normal. Something like that would also draw its fair share of nefarious folks, such as Mother Gothel, who would want such potions for their own vain uses. Sure, everyone's functionally immortal in the Pantheon, but getting a younger body is still too tempting to pass up.
      • Rorona has also gotten her Ruby Pies stolen by Father's minions due to rumors of hearing that a Philosopher's stone is an ingredient in it. She insists she just uses Ruby Prisms, only to then get questions as to why she even uses magical stones as ingredients in the first place. Lulua has also made a similar pie at least once, following her mother's recipe, and made a version for curry too, though that's less likely to get stolen, but not many desire to even consider eating it except those who can eat minerals such as the dragonling Spike. Rorona has also vowed to never again make living food, not after the Living Pie, and makes sure that everyone else down her line vows the same. Flint Lockwood knows what that's like.
    • When it comes to ghosts, Rorona fears them, but can get over friendly ones as long as they don't do too much scaring. Totori shares most of these sentiments, especially after a miscommunication that almost made her assume that someone (Pamela) was perfectly willing to sacrifice her own life, which was only okay because she was already dead to begin with (being a ghost inhabiting a "body suit" specially made for her). Meruru doesn't express as much fear of them as her alchemy master. As for Lulua, she's completely immune to their scares, given the orphanage she lived in before has been set up as a haunted house so many times, and upon being revealed that Pamela was actually a ghost, her reaction was basically "already seen more fantastical things than ghosts".
    • Cats and naughty animals are not allowed inside the ateliers due to the risk of stray fur interfering with the ingredients or the cauldron, not to mention being hard to sweep up, and because the Homs tend to be attached to cats. The Alchemists are also fearful of people who act very different while drunk, since each of them have been... playfully fondled by those they've discovered with that trait. Really, anyone who gets promiscuous while drunk is a no-no to ever be with. Lulua is most fearful of drunkards since Piana told her of HER experience with two drunk women, and ever since Piana's lightweight drunken spree from liqueur chocolates, she also vowed to abstain from ever imbibing alcohol.
    • (ice bombs for making impromptu frozen bridges over water)
    • (Air Drops enable underwater breathing for some time)
    • (other well-meaning yet scary-looking people, reminiscent of Sterk)
    • (King Incognito and perhaps somewhat irresponsible like Gio)
    • When it comes to altering one's past, from Rorona's experience that she relayed to Lulua, even if one changes the past, it won't change their present, only create another branch of reality.

  • Exclusive to Rorona:
    • Rorona was horrified with what the Alchemists Guild Miriam and Gebel used to belong to did in order to remain relevant compared to what she had to do. She just had to prove her worth to Arland's higher-ups, while they decided to summon demons. Frankly, that was far, far stupider than anything she did in her youth, and hurt—no, killed—a lot more innocent people.
    • (having inattentive parents who take vacations during her rise as an alchemist)
    • (nickname of Cabbage Girl spreads, to her embarrassment, friends with Cabbage Merchant [even Wholesales Cabbage Pies (need sauce)], fears Tohru Adachi)
    • (Rorona's okay with magic puppets, amicable with Alice Margatroid)
    • (nicknames those she wants to befriend, including one "Al"bus)
    • (Hom is sent to deliver and collect materials, probably even fights monsters to obtain them)
    • Experienced with fighting human opponents even at 15, at least against bandits, even with guns
    • (winning a martial tournament)
    • Honoka has a matching outfit
    • Was once able to "sleep" while flowing down a river all the way from one end of a country to another, as Totori can attest to when her father fished up her teacher by accident. That's like sailing down the River Nile from Victoria Falls to the Nile Delta.
  • Exclusive to Totori:
    • Totori doesn't think alchemy and science have to be in opposition to one another. She also doesn't think alchemy is magic.
    • Totori's mother Gisela was a great adventurer, but also known to be a huge bother. She had forgotten about her due to grief when her dad claimed she was dead, and the entire town had decided to keep it all a secret until she eventually discovered Gisela's grave in another country.
    • Unique to her, Totori has the ability to Duplicate an item without reducing its use count at the cost of mana and some of the item's potency when used. Lulua wanted to learn it, but all she learned was super-fast Synthesis and it took a heavy toll on her stamina that Totori decided to just give up on the endeavor after Lulua passed out as a result.
    • Sometime during her apprenticeship under Rorona, Totori has somehow learned to exude such an intimidating presence that a person's vocabulary skills just plummet when she's around, and she's only gotten more formidable since then.

  • Exclusive to Meruru:
    • For the record, her nickname is pronounced "May-roo-roo", not "Mer-roo-roo". As a proactive princess who acts on behalf of her kingdom, (enemies with bad royalty, allies with good ones, esp. proactive ones like her)
    • In contrast to Rorona only taking pity in them, Meruru loves mushrooms in her meals, be it when eating them or synthesizing them. She's become very knowledgeable on them, though did have to learn about the kinds in the Pantheon, but she was a dedicated study. She occasionally hosts mushroom shows, not just to profess her love for them, but also warn of the poisonous kinds. And, of course, she won't take kindly to her mushrooms getting stolen.
      • (interactions with Mushroom Pokémon) She even once wanted to make a giant walking (or even just stationary) mushroom that can scatter its spores all over to spawn more mushrooms (despite the whole thing with the Ent back in her apprentice days that she wanted to stop due to its presence putting her people on edge every time it gets close), but Lulua violently talked her out of that idea.
    • Speaking of that Ent, she was on edge again when she heard there were a few in the Pantheon already, but even after sighting Treebeard and Rooftrellen, she just sighed in relief as the Ent she tangled with was much, much bigger than even them. But then she started to worry what he might think of what she did to the one in Arls, and keeps away. She also has a hard time trusting lizard folk, since her kingdom had been threatened by them, and has taken out her fair share of them during her time as an alchemist apprentice.
    • As someone who wanted to rebel from her old established lifestyle, only to then accept her role after some self-reflection (plus realizing what she wanted to learn—Alchemy—can help with that role), with the exception of that last bit, part of her character arc is just like Yukiko Amagi in that regard.
    • Meruru recognizes the value of defensive structures such as outposts, and that it's okay for them to be more better-designed than one's own castle. After all, they're the first line that invaders have to tend to first, and it's meant to keep the citizens safe.

  • Exclusive to Lulua:
    • Was asked questions of Rorona's teenage pregnancy, but Lulua reminds them that she was adopted, 2 years before she acquired the Alchemyriddle. Rorona's reason for adopting Lulua is because when the alchemist visited Arklys, Lulua was so kind to her and talked about all sorts of things, and she thought they would have all sorts of fun if they were together, nothing ulterior or grand.
    • Ever since Lulua turned in a few almost used-up items while fulfilling a request, having done the same back in her world, all requests sent to the Pantheonic Soldiers of Fortune since then now have to specify "unused", "fresh", or similar terms to prevent the same stunt being pulled ever again. Lulua herself was also reprimanded for that stunt and she has profusely apologized for it.
    • Once attempted to speak to a particular Slime in "Puni" language, just like she had before. This Slime, Rimuru Tempest, quickly revealed that she can speak to her just fine, much to her embarrassment.
    • (Xena, who uses chakrams like her alchemy master Piana, and Lea/Axel, who throws his rings the same way)
    • Having had to deal with a workaholic Father Benon before at the orphanage she grew up in, Lulua prescribes to the incapacitating method to deal with such people. If she can't do that, she resorts to stern reminders of sleep and healthy eating.
    • Lulua has an item she calls a "super-special" Tonic that increases the Quality of items in an area that she can gather for a limited time.
    • Birthday on what is Valentines Day on Earth.
    • (Nice pirates, like Niko) (thinks true pirates are all about escorting ships, fishing. and keeping the waters clean, and thinks those that plunder or treasure hunt are impostors sullying their good name)
    • Rorona's reason for adopting Lulua is because when the alchemist visited Arklys, Lulua was so kind to her and talked about all sorts of things, and she thought they would have all sorts of fun if they were togethe(heavily resembles Emilia)]]
    • Among the things Lulua can concoct, she can also make Eraezyko Charms (shaped like ofudas) for banishing ghosts from an area if Magical attacks aren't permanently cutting it. That said, if she has to banish one, she wants to know their story before going in blind; if a peaceful method is preferable, she'll take that option.
    • Will not stand for buying items just to destroy them to deny its use by anyone else, just as Mimi has with Pure Truffles (Meruru once made a dish with that ingredient that causes the eater to abandon all pretense and deception and be perfectly honest about their feelings, and had no effect on her since she's already honest with herself. When the tsundere Mimi had that dish, she started to get very emotional and longing for more intimate moments with Totori, including sleeping in the same bed as her and bathing with her. After Mimi discovered what she had been saying, she went absolutely to pieces about it, and made Meruru swear she'd never cook with Pure Truffles again or reveal what she said.)
    • (Surprisingly not reactive to any Robotic Reveal, even the first time. Confused with those who invoke Just a Machine)
    • (Fearful of drunkards since Piana told her of HER experience with two drunk women, and ever since Piana's lightweight drunken spree from liqueur chocolates, she vowed to abstain from ever imbibing alcohol)
    • [[green(For a while, was asked what was her purpose in life, and spent time looking for it. Interaction with CMC?)]]
    • Among the things Lulua made are medicines that can curb Big Eater tendencies or return them if they were curbed by the former.
    • [[green(Interactions with Ren and Futaba regarding her curry, but the former will not share Sojiro's recipe no matter what and is resolute in claiming that not even Lulua's recipes can compare)]]
    • Being helped by one's past self via Alechemyriddle is pushing it, but actively aspiring to change the fates of Stias from multiple alternate timelines is crossing the line in the eyes of the Dahaka, even if she isn't altering any pasta. And Barbatos sees her pursuit as full counter to his Dark Multiverse. And with the True Dragon Hourglass to traverse alternate timelines and the Time Brooch to "lock in" those results entering the rumor mill, Lulua has found herself been targeted by many nefarious folks who wish to alter their pasts (not knowing it won't change their present), and the Pantheonic Time Police stepped in to make sure that Lulua completely and undeniably understands the gravity of her situation. Thankfully for the PTP, Lulua does understand, at least enough that she doesn't go visiting the alternate world's residents further than Alt Lulua's atelier and the other Fellsgalaxen. And technically speaking, she just undid the fate of Alternate Stia that was *already* done, compared to averting her own timeline's Stia's fate.

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[up] What would be their relationship be with Steve and Alex (Minecraft)?

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@RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
For Lord Blackwood, the only one I can think of at the moment is Wilson as he is a gentlemanly scholar who met a fair share of weirdness and monsters from being trapped in another world and Lex the Bookworm for being a small creature who met and fought monsters bigger than him.


@mdalsted
I think Heroic Attitude is much better as Heroic Archetypes is more like a group of pattern of Attitudes while Incorruptible Pure Pureness is more of an element to a person's character. To quote from the trope page: "Often, this is a key element of Ideal Hero, All-Loving Hero, Badass Pacifist, The Cape, The Pollyanna, Martial Pacifist. and The Redeemer."


Lucas Grey/The Shadow Client

I'm just looking to post my first draft of the profile or at least what I've done for now. I'm just looking for people not on the relationship list.

  • Anyone associated with Militia-like groups or those who fight the Illuminati who would want to join him? They have to have a similar mindset of causing as little collateral damage (i.e. harming people other than their target) while doing so. Also accepting groups who would be hesitant to join him and vice versa?
  • Anyone associated with the Illuminati, similar organizations or those who believe in One World Order?
  • Anyone who would support his actions or understand his motives of eliminating the organization who give your abuser the power to abuse you?
  • Anyone who pulled (or seen) a Batman Gambit to get people kill or hire to kill someone for the mastermind's benefit?

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Lucas Grey, The Cool-Headed God Who Rebelled Against Authority (The Shadow Client, The Militia Leader, The Terrorist, Boss | Original Name: Subject 6)
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  • Potential House: Rebellion and Revolution
  • Rank: Lesser God
  • Symbol: A black human silhouette with black smoke coming out of it; alternately, his Long Coat
  • Theme Song: "Legacy" Theme
  • Alignment: Chaotic Neutral with a heavy dose of Knight Templar
  • Portfolio: Ascended Extra, Badass Longcoat, The Chessmaster, Combat Pragmatist, Originally Named Subject 6, From Same Super Assasin Project As Agent 47, But Was Forgetted After He Escaped, His Militia vs Illuminati-like Group, Plans To Take Them All Down, As Revenge For All The Suffering He and 47 have Been Thought, Later Becoming an Aid to 47], [[Main/YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters Freedom Fighter Labelled As A Terrorist, Necessarily Evil, Offed Himself To Prevent Him and 47 from Being Captured, Sound Kinda British But Isn't British
  • Domains: Planning, Betrayal, Militia, Revenge, Defiance
  • Herald: Olivia Hall (his protégé)
  • Followers:
    • Straight Example Followers:
    • Deconstruction Followers:
  • Special Relationship with: Agent 47 (His Childhood Friend and Clone Brother)
  • Alliesnote : Lelouch vi Britannia, Suzaku Kururugi, Jeremiah Gottwald, V, Alex (Street Fighter), Charles Victor Szasz/The Question, The Basterds, Edmond Dantes/The Count of Monte Cristo
  • Enemies: The Illuminati, The Pantheonic Illuminati (Bill Cipher, Gill, Urien, Kolin, Vandal Savage), Big Brother, O'Brien
  • Distrust: Marvel's Illuminati (Steve Rogers/Captain America I, Stephen Strange/Doctor Strange, Charles Xavier/Professor X, Reed Richards/Mister Fantastic, Tony Stark/Iron Man, T'Challa/Black Panther), The Imperium
  • Respects: Spartacus, Frank Castle/The Punisher, Roberta (Black Lagoon) (One-sided, they don't respect him back due to conflicting views on his actions)
  • Respected by: E-123 Omega, Thorgrim Grudgebearer
  • On Speaking Terms With: Stan Pines, Rick Sanchez
  • Pities: Winston Smith, Julia, Rolo Lamperouge, Mewtwo, People Have Their Memory Forcebly Wiped
  • Opposed by: Nearly Every Employer or Organization In The Pantheon, Especially The Houses of Commerce and Leadership, Most Members Of The Council Of Shadows, Good-Aligned Members of his Hall
  • Opposes: People Who Believe In One World Order, Evil Scientists, Cruel Father Figures, Memory Wipers and Alterers, Especially Charles zi Britannia and Shukuro Tsukishima, Those Who Do Elorate and Violent Heist (like The PAYDAY Gang), Evil-Aligned Members of his Hall
  • Conflicted Opinion On: Adrian Veidt/Ozymandias, Cornelia li Britannia
  • Annoyed by: Dan (Dan Vs.)
  • Additional Relations:
  • When the ICA noticed that a mysterious figure was manipulating them by strategically leaking info to several of 47's clients, to put a hit on specific people for the figure's own benefit, the ICA's top assassin Agent 47 and his handler called this shadowy figure "The Shadow Client". Upon further investigation, it's revealed that this Shadow Client, who goes by the name of Lucas Grey, a former mercenary and bodyguard with a mysterious past, runs a highly effective militia. Their goal is to take out the high-ranking members of Providence, an Illuminati-like organization that secretly runs the world. Shockingly, this Shadow Client seems to know 47 himself, as he was able to identify several of 47's past targets, whose hits remained unsolved or listed as accidental. When 47 confronts Grey in a run-down facility in Romania, Grey makes The Elusive Hitman remember Grey's true identity despite having this memory wiped from him. 47 vaguely remembers him as his childhood friend and part of the same super clone assassin experiments that made 47 himself, whose original name is Subject 6. Grey then convinces 47 to reinstate their childhood pact by taking down all of Providence, the one who funded their creation, to which 47 joins him on this mission. After disbanding Grey's militia to cover their tracks and partially regaining 47's memories with a serum, the two, along with 47's handler and Grey's hacker protégé, continued their crusade against the all-powerful organization.
  • While he eventually saw its top operatives taken down one by one, Grey never lived to see the world free of their influence. After being found and surrounded in the forest by several armed operatives, Grey met his end as he shoots himself to prevent 47, who hid among the operatives, from saving him and blowing his cover. Grey woke up in one of the rooms in the House of Life and Vitality and noticed that the bullet hole in his head was gone. At first, he thought he was captured and bought back somehow, so he tried to escape the place but was shunned to see an otherworldly view outside of the House. After being spotted by the House's caretakers, they calmly tried to convince him at they meant no harm to him and let him know that his death lead him this to place as he was likely chosen for a "Trope" to represent. While still distrusting them, he decided to go with their advice to go to the Court of Gods and find some answers, since it seems like he was not going back to his realm. After The Court explained to him what being Deified means and despite being in front of an all-seeing High Court, Grey flat-out refuses to give out further details when questioned about his past. The Court then decided to conduct their own investigation as to why Mr. Grey seems to naturally distrust them.
    • The System Records have found an interesting running theme in some parts of Grey's past. He was the one who convinced a young 47 to start a pact of rebellion due to their creator's harsh mistreatment of them. After escaping and starting a new life as the head of security to a Bank CEO, he learns of his boss's connection to Providence. Learning that he cannot run away from his past, he snapped and killed his employer, starting his crusade against the Organization that he felt wronged him and gave his creator the power to abuse them. Even after getting reunited with 47, he distrusts 47's most trusted handler, simply because he "doesn't like executive decision makers". Indeed, while The Court understand his distrust of authority and motives to do what he did, some of the Court deities had argued that he could have also prevented his death by simply letting go of his past in the first place. Providence and most of their members technically had nothing personal against him and Grey didn't stop his crusade after likely knowing of his cruel creator's death when tracking 47's kills. All this while displaying a cool and calm demeanor and looking like an grown up greaser with his long coat.
    • After being summoned by The Court and explained their findings, Grey would receive his rebellious title. He would accept the title under the condition that they would show him what happens after his death. His request was granted and Grey saw the fruits of his labor as Providence was fully taken down, liquidated of all its assets, and all its potential successors were "neutralized". He was proud of what 47 has done as he trusted him to continue his work even after he passed. He also begrudgingly admits his respect for his handler's contributions and resistance to being its new leader but still resents betraying 47 for his mission to work. After receiving his title, Grey was escorted to his new temple, which resembles the abandoned and decayed facility he and 47 grew up with, but no longer so. A strange choice but he's fine with it as long as it helps him connect to his roots since he knows he can never shake off his past anyway. It is even has two bloody hand prints on a replica room where 47 and 6 made the pact all those decades ago.
  • As he tries to get used to Life within the Pantheon, Grey decided to check his Hall neighbors hoping to find like-minded people like him. Rise Rousenin reminds him too much of Diana considering they both use the strategy of working from the inside to dismantle an old system. He respects Spartacus, as both of them are former mercenaries who lead a bloody revolution against their oppressors. Spartacus respects Grey for not using his revolution to take power for himself, though he is conflicted that Grey does all this as an act of personal revenge more than any personal empathy for the suffering of others (asides from maybe his closest friend 47). While he does understand why Shogo Makishima wanted to take down his system of government, Grey was too off-put by his lack of empathy as it reminded when his creators tried to suppress their clone's emotions to be a more effective killer. While Grey has his emotions intact following his escape, this also results in him feeling guilt for everything he has done, and thus he cannot ally with someone who lacks guilt for their horrible actions. Everyone else doesn't seem to relate to him as the good-aligned ones consider him too violent and revenge-driven to ally with him and while Grey views the evil-aligned ones as even worse than the organization he masterminded to take down.
  • There is one person in his Hall who is most similar to him, it's Lelouch vi Britannia. Both started a revolution in a desire to avenage the unfortunate fate of their sibling. Both are cold, calculative, intelligent, and ruthless in battle, but Grey is more hesitant in taking out innocent civilians than Lelouch is. Both are compassionate about their subordinates, but Grey is less so since he justifies that his subordinates know the risks of joining his cause and that's why he doesn't care for them when they get killed. Both are impressed that they managed to fulfill their respective goals after their deaths due to their trust in their closest ally. Grey more so since he didn't expect a teenager would be capable of such a feat and he find him useful as Lelouch helps him navigate within the Pantheon. While Lelouch pities his upbringing, The Former Zero still thinks Grey's militia experience and strategic skills could be useful for him in the future.
    • His interactions with Lelouch also made him aware of his other members of his family. He doesn't have a strong opinions on Nunnally though Lelouch's brotherly admiration of her reminded him of his own for 47. He's a little mixed on his view of Cornelia given that she is a Princess General who used to not be afraid to put her own people in damage to ensure victory, but despite her Heel-Face Turn and new found care for the lives of other, he's still doesn't fully trust her. His father Emperor Charles zi Britannia already got some bad impression from Grey for being a uncaring ruler and father who only about his Assimilation Plot to rewrite the world without lies. Learning about Lelouch's capture and subsequent rewriting of his memories by Charles' Geass to suit his agenda made Grey's blood boil, being reminded how his Creator wiped 47's memories following Subject 6's escape, continuing to being trained as an assassin as a result. He was also learned of Rolo, an assassin pretending to be Lelouch's brother sent by Charles as a spy while Lelouch had his memories wiped and altered. Grey pity his past as a child assassin being used for his Geass of stopping one's perception of time and for his self-sacrifice to prevent his new-found "brother" from being killed when Lelouch was surrounded by own armed militia.
  • Since he's no longer a wanted criminal, he then decides to explore the Pantheon upon Lelouch's advice and hopefully get himself employed as start a new life within it. Unfortunately, words spread very fast in the Pantheon as soon he discovers that no employer in their right mind would want to hire him for any position. If you are known as the bodyguard who murdered the guy you are supposed to protect, masterminded the takedown of all his associates and the world-spanning secret organization he answers to, to say that your job prospects would be really low would be an understatement. The Houses of Commerce and Leadership especially don't want to accept his application, with the good aligned members still opposing him for his bloody revenge trail, even if they sympathized with his troubled past. He could have a chance to get employed by the many Crime Bosses at The Houses of Villainy, Crime and Transgressions given that he once allied with a powerful drug cartel but they would prefer more loyal or stronger guards/minions than take a risk with him. These rejections devastated Grey as he feels Providence's life-ruining influence on him seemed to persist even after they are gone. But something irked him as this information shouldn't have spread so fast and so widespread in such a short amount of time he's in here and he was sure during his Court Title hearing that his personal information would be confidential to the larger public.
  • Grey was one of the few people who was able to deduce the existence of the Provindence when even the ICA's top analysis think its existence is only theoretical. The Former Militia Leader theorized that such similar origanization must also exist in the Pantheon given the world spanning scale of reach, and figures that the news was spread this early, likely to prevent him from gaining influence that could one day be used to take its members down, given his track record. To confirm his theory, he asked his herald Olivia, a talented young hacktivist, to hack into Pantheonic Main Database and search for Providence or similar groups. Thankfully they have not ascended yet but she did informed him that there exist several similar origanizations named "Illuminati", three of them to be exact (the actual origination, the one led by 5 individuals and the one led by Marvel's Heroes). Grey noticed that one of Marvel's Illuminati members was Captain America, a member of the Court of Gods. While it was tempting to just point a finger at him given his influence, Grey had to rule him out given that The Captain could have vetoed his ascension and title picking in the first place or at least keep him in surveillance if Grey was a danger to his group (which Grey should be aware for, given his experience as the former head of security). Despite being a secret superpowered group dedicated to protecting the world, he still distrusts Marvel's Illuminati given that the members themselves are not infallible to in-fighting or betrayals.
  • Next to check on the list is the actual Illuminati, an all-seeing organization seemingly responsible for every conspiracy known to man. Unlike most people who would be paranoid of the mysterious organization, Grey doesn't seem to be intimidated as he thinks they are likely a group of normal evil rich folk with too much money and time on their hands. Next on his list is Bill Cipher, the leader of the other Illuminati and a dream demon who can access people's minds, who once bought upon Weirdmageddon when he gained a physical form. While it is unlikely the demon had anything to gain anything from Grey's joblessness given that he's a very powerful manipulative being on his own, Grey theorized that Bill may be manipulating everyone for his selfish gain of wanting his physical form back. Next is Vandal Savage, an immortal caveman, leader of his world's Illuminati, claiming to be responsible for many conflicts in human history. Vandal's tendency to exaggerate his claims, wishing to rule over all of humanity, and his belief that the weak should be eliminated is enough to get Grey to really dislike him. Then there's Street Fighter's Illuminati led by its Emperor Gill, its President Rival, Gill's brother Urien and Gill's loyal assistant Kolin. Being a world-manipulating organization is bad enough but when you are also mixed in kidnapping, brainwashing, and genetically enhancing your members to do your bidding, it's sure to make Grey enrage deeply. Whether they are responsible for his joblessness or not, he feels he could not like let them slide and influence the whole Pantheon, potentially creating people like him and 47 again. He knows it would be foolish to take one or several of them by himself, especially since he's only a genetically-enhanced "human", albeit more skilled in planning and combat than the average clone.
  • Grey discussed with Lelouch his troubling findings and his plans for making a counterforce to keep the Pantheon's Illuminati members from gaining more power. Lelouch agrees and suggests making allies with his allies first before searching for more on his own. Among Lelounch's immediate allies who was offered to join Grey at Lelounch's behest were Suzaku (former Knight of Seven and a deity who cannot self-terminate) and Jeremiah (his loyal deity who can cancel a Geass' command). Jeremiah was quick to accept the offer while Suzaku was a bit skeptical at first given Grey's past actions, but Lelouch rest assured him that Lelouch would "take care" of the matter should Grey betray his friends in anyway. The three felt neutral towards each other but Grey finds them useful for his goals them their skills and their effectiveness in the field. Grey also found an ally in V, an anarchist vigilante and fellow freedom fighter with a knack for explosives. Grey took pity on his past of being experimented on by his government and understands why he rebelled, V pities Grey for his past as well. While he admits being impressed by the effectiveness of Ozymandias' plan to unite the world under a common enemy, he does not approve of his killing of all those involved in his plan to make his plan work, wanting to keep collateral damages to a minimum. Lelouch also tried to submit a request for Grey to join The Council of Shadows given that both he and Bill Cipher are both members and prevent the other Big Bads from completing their schemes. Its Council members immediately rejected the application fearing that Grey could endanger the existence of the group, given that he could eliminate all of them once he had access to the information on who their members are.
  • The Former Militia Leader then tried to recuit other people to join his cause. At first, he had difficulty finding another Street Fighter deities to take down Gill and his associaties, mostly because they are either too good-aligned or evil-aligned for his interest. He did successfully get Alex, the New York Bruiser, on his side as Grey can get behind on Alex's desire to get revenage on Gill for hurting his father figure. Having recuited eccentric but effective freedom figthers before, he decided to convince The Question to join his cause, due to his really good intellgence gathering and deductive skills as well as possible knowledge on the actually Illuminati. While skeptical at first, thinking that Grey was an Illuminati spy (which offended Grey), The Question eventually did take up his offer to ally with The Former Militia Leader, simply because he was impressed that Grey's deductive skills and was able to uncover his version of the Illuminati by himself. Grey also consider recruiting The Imperium, led by the The God-Emperor of Mankind, given that they were able to abolish their world's Illuminati from ruling humanity. However, he decided against the idea as he distrust someone who claims does not want to be worshiped as a "God" yet calls himself an Emperor, manipulating humanity from the shadows not dissimilar to Providence and enacting his own version of peace and order into other alien races.
  • Tried to recruit the tourist trap owner Stan Pines upon hearing his defeat of Bill by his hands. Stan was at first alarmed given that a known terrorist is visiting his shop but was relieved and somewhat flattered when Grey lay down the offer for him. Stan, however, declines the offer he prefers not to be involved in the Pantheon's higher affairs, preferring to focus his time looking out for his grand-niece and nephew. He did give some advice on how to defeat him by mind-wiping himself when Bill is in his mind, though Grey is hesitant to use this method given his experience in mind-wiping. Still, he is aware that drastic measures are needed if he wants to defeat a powerful foe like Bill. Stan even recommends him one of his friends who he thinks is overqualified for the job. Said friend was Rick Sanchez, self-proclaimed world's smartest man, and former galactic rebel with a dark past filled with vengeance, how was unfazed when Grey visited into his temple. Rick also declines Grey's offer as Rick has long past his freedom fighter/rebel phase, and while he can theoretically take all its members down, he kinda views it was a waste of time since there would be others like their group who can pop up once they are gone. Rick also noted that Grey reminds him of his daughter who became a space rebel who may or may not be a clone of his daughter as well. Grey is unsure make to make about Rick cloning his daughter to make his original daughter live her own life or himself at one point but at least Rick doesn't treat his clone daughter like pure crap most of the time.

Edited by lawliet-saw-whet on Oct 9th 2022 at 7:31:02 PM

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#193490: Oct 9th 2022 at 12:14:07 PM

[up] I can absolutely see an interaction with Solidus Snake, who too was a Super-Soldier clone created by an Illuminati group to carry out some heinous stuff, and then went on to rebel against them by forming a terrorist group. Said rebellion being in response to the Illuminati group wanting to censor the internet, going against the US values of freedom and liberty, as well as wanting to leave behind a legacy which the group would surely purge with their information restricting. I can certainly see Solidus viewing Lucas as an ally in the fight for freedom against tyrannical conspiracies. But as with Agent 47 and Solid Snake, I'm not sure if Lucas would reciprocate those views toward Solidus, who had created many a Child Soldier (Raiden among them) in the Liberian Civil War and was willing to kill a lot of innocents in his pursuit of the Patriots' identities. Also, Solidus' grand plan in Sons of Liberty was to essentially EMP Manhatten to try and liberate the city from the Patriots. So, not sure what Lucas would think of that lol Although at least to Solidus' credit, he nixed Fortune's (his terrorist partner) original intent of outright nuking New York out of spite.

On that note, though, The Patriots would absolutely be enemies with Lucas Grey, being a shadow government that secretly ran the US (with the presidents themselves being mere pawns) and would go on to control the whole world, manipulating the masses with their memes and tightly controlling information. Father and his Homunculi could also qualify, as they governed Amestris not unlike a conspiracy shadow group.

Edited by KaoticKanine on Oct 9th 2022 at 4:21:39 AM

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#193491: Oct 9th 2022 at 1:13:08 PM

@lawliet: Alright, Heroic Attitude it is, then. One minute.

Edit: And it's done.

Edited by mdalsted on Oct 9th 2022 at 6:05:27 AM

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#193492: Oct 9th 2022 at 7:19:17 PM

Rough draft for Kuzco.

He's an arrogant and selfish emperor who gets turned into a llama as part of a scheme by his former advisor in trying to take the throne for herself. He suffers various humiliations and ends up realizing how awful of a person he's been before becoming a human again.

Looking for ideas for interactions.

Kuzco, God of Pride Before a Fall (Emperor Kuzco, The Sovereign Lord of the Nation, The Hippest Cat in Creation, Demon Llama, Llama Face)

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  • Quasideity
  • Symbol: His crown and gown
  • Theme Music: Perfect World (Reprise); The Emperor’s New School
  • Alignment: True Neutral with Neutral Good tendencies (formerly Neutral Evil)
  • Portfolio: Turned Into a Llama, Break the Haughty, Mr. Vice Guy, A Birthday, Not a Break
  • Domains: Emperors, Llamas, Flaws
  • Heralds: Pacha, Malina
  • Allies: Naveen, Beast
  • Enemies: Yzma
  • Kuzco is a highly arrogant and selfish Incan emperor who ends up getting turned into a llama following a botched assassination attempt at the hands of his recently-fired advisor Yzma and her dim-witted assistant Kronk. Kuzco ends up in the company of village leader Pacha, whose village would end up being the planned area where Kuzco’s summer house would be built, and while they have a rough time being with each other at first, the two would gradually become friends as Kuzco finds his way back home. It’s when Kuzco discovers Yzma’s attempt to take over as ruler, combined with multiple comedic mishaps and the revelation that no one really cared about him as emperor, that Kuzco learns to become a better person. Following a struggle against Yzma at the capital, Kuzco finds the potion to turn back into a human and, for the most part, has taken the lessons about humility to heart.
  • A messenger from a far-off locale arrived at Kuzco’s palace one day with the intent of delivering him news about a place that took an interest in him. The messenger happened to bring a llama plushie with him to give to Kuzco, with the emperor noting how funny it is that people from distant areas know about him despite not actually visiting him. It was during that time that Kuzco became aware of the Pantheon, how it wanted him to be part of it, and the numerous papers the messenger sent him in regards to how being part of the Pantheon will affect things. Kuzco was more than willing to be part of whatever this Pantheon is and while his bombast hasn’t gone away since his misadventures as a llama, there’s a bit more he could learn about not being full of himself.
  • With how large the Pantheon was, it wouldn’t take long for Kuzco to learn that he wasn’t the only arrogant person who underwent a transformation and learned how to be kinder with the help of other people. Naveen and The Beast were other royal figures who were haughty before being transformed, but while Kuzco’s instance was accidental, the transformations inflicted on Naveen and The Beast were intentional. Naveen and The Beast were able to find love in Tiana and Belle respectively while Kuzco found a genuine friend in Pacha, though it wouldn’t be until Kuzco got sent to school that he found a love interest in Malina. While Kuzco still has his moments of selfishness, it’s nowhere near as bad as it was before getting turned into a llama and he gets along well with both Naveen and The Beast, who have helped him try to fully overcome his selfish tendencies.

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#193493: Oct 10th 2022 at 8:49:07 AM

Kuzko would be scared to death of any quadrupedal animal predators that are within the Pantheon, even more so of any aquatic predators that have a taste for meat.

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CrimsonShark Punk Rocker from The Internet of Loneliness and Beyond Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#193494: Oct 10th 2022 at 10:57:12 AM

[up][up] Maybe an interaction with Settra, who himself was a very vain and arrogant emperor during his life. That said, he was able to back up his boasts and was a successful ruler and general. I'd imagine Kuzco having some thoughts on just how boastful he is, whilst being scared of him given his reputation of being ruthless towards his enemies as well as being a Tomb King


@lawliet — I can see Lucas having an interaction with Elliot Alderson, who was a rebel cybervigilante who tried to take down EvilCorp, only to then come into conflict with The Dark Army, an anarchistic cyberterrorist collective who have asserted control over most of the world's banks and governments and generally being incredibly ruthless towards anything they see as a threat. Speaking of Elliot, Lucas could also interact with Tyrell Wellick and Philip Price who were CTO and CEP of EvilCorp respectively, though they were forced into an alliance with Elliot once The Dark Army superseded them as the greater threat. Given their business ties (and Tyrell's often psychotic impulses), I'm guessing Lucas wouldn't be too trusting of them.


Reposting the Hawkman and Hawkgirl. I've written up large chunks of paragraphs since and seeing how sizable it's gotten, approvals are open. Anything else I can add, or are they good to go?


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Carter Hall and Shiera Sanders, Divine Couple of Reincarnation (Carter: Hawkman, Katar Hol, Prince Khufu Kha-Tarr, Katarthul, Nighthawk, Silent Knight, Koenraad von Grimm, Captain John Smith, James Wright, The Birdman, Gold Hawk, Avion, Dragon of Barbatos, Sky Tyrant, The Winged Wonder, "The Flying Fascist", "The Man Who Fights the Evils of the Present with the Weapons of the Past" | Shiera: Hawkgirl, Hawkwoman, Chay-Ara, Shayera Thal, Shayera Hol, Shhra, Kendra Saunders, Pretty Bird)

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Carter Hall/Hawkman (above) and Shiera Saunders/Hawkgirl (below)
Shayera Hol/Thal 
Kendra Saunders 
  • Intermediate Gods (Together, Lesser Gods Individually)
  • Symbol: Their Helmets and their Maces with their wings in the Backdrop.
  • Alignment: Lawful Good with Neutral leanings
  • Portfolio: Are Destined to be Bought Back as New Beings in the Future once they Die and are Destined to be United to Each Other by Love, Animal-Themed Superbeing, Winged Humanoid, Primarily Wielding a Spiked Mace, Battle Couple, Wielding and Possessing Nth Metal, Had an Alternating and Complicated Romantic Thoughts for One Another, Extremely Convoluted and Constantly Altering Background Origins per Continuity
  • Domains: History, Hawks, Love, Romance, Heroism, War, Immortality, Reincarnation
  • Heralds: Big Red, Hector Hall/Silver Scarab/Doctor Fate (their son)
  • Allies:
  • Headbutting Heroes: Oliver Queen/Green Arrow, Viridi
  • Enemies: Vandal Savage, Darkseid, The Anti-Monitor, Barbatos, The Batman Who Laughs, Owlman, Apocalypse, Kang the Conqueror, Ganondorf Dragmire, Demise, Strahd von Zarovich, Cthulhu, The Nemesis Squadron, The Lich, GOLB, Chaos, Sigma, Nagash, King Rameses
  • On Speaking Terms With: Nolan Grayson/Omni-Man, Settra, Akhenaten
  • Pities: Tutankhanum, The King of Sorrow, Caius Ballad
  • Respected By: House of Love and Affection, Hall of Birds, The Battlehawks
  • Hawkman and Hawkgirl are a divine couple who have committed themselves to heroism and have used their powers for them. In truth, the two of them are reincarnations of a couple from Ancient Egyptian Times known as Khufu and Chay-Ara, who were murdered by Hath-Set. As the weapon used for the kill was a knife with magical properties, Khufu and Chay-Ara were destined to be reincarnated and unite together each time they die. Khufu's most recent descendant, Carter Hall, became Hawkman upon stumbling across the dagger that killed him in an excavation site in Egypt, causing him to regain lost memories of his past selves as well as tracking down Hath-Set's descendant in a Mad Scientist known as Anton Hastor. Recalling his memories, Carter uncovered a mysterious extraterrestrial element known as Nth Metal, which was known for containing anti-gravity properties, and crafted an anti-gravity belt, wings, and costume to establish himself as Hawkman before defeating Hastor, re-encountering Chay-Ara as Shiera Sanders, and starting a romance, with Shiera later becoming inspired by her lover's heroic deeds to take up the mantle of Hawkgirl. Eventually, the two would become prominent members of the Justice Society of America and Carter would even fight in World War II, carving a notable reputation among superheroes. Shiera would also see herself having the Hawkgirl mantle being passed down via a Thanagarian known as Shayera Hol and a descendant named Kendra Saunders from her first cousin's side.
  • The two were early ascendants to the Pantheon, albeit they came in rather separately, with Carter representing reincarnation and Shiera having the theme of Savage Spiked Weapons going for her. However, the two quickly figured that with couples and groups have been able to mutually have a singular theme as their main recognition, they opted to go with that direction, with Carter and Shiera being the main mascot for Reincarnation. This appeal was responded to by the Court of the Gods, who recognized the symbolism and nature of the couple's love and destiny for each other and allowed them to represent the theme of reincarnation together. This was an important moment for the duo as it meant that Carter and Shiera would be able to spend more time with each other as well as provide additional support, be it in combat, or with their emotional and romantic matters. They did figure that they do need their independent moments at times as well, to which Shiera responds by being a member of the Justice League, much like how Carter sticks with the Justice Society. The Pantheon, being far larger than they anticipated, forced Hawkman and Hawkgirl to make a plan on what they should do, be it together or on their own, knowing that their time here is going to be a very eventful one.
  • The Hawks are a notable superhero couple, which is emphasized by the fact that destiny has set its course for Carter and Shiera to eternally unite with one another in each and every lifetime. Of course, they make a formidable duo just as much as they are incredibly protective and emotional for one another, so many have expressed dismay about the idea of hurting any one of the Hawks without potentially angering the other. The Hawks, in addition to their enhanced physique, including strength, endurance, reflexes, and wings for flight, possess Nth Metal materials and craft, including armor, belt, and boots that not only help to store their items but also provide anti-gravitational functions and further enhance defense. As demonstrated by the Justice League's battle against the Dark Knights, Nth Metal is also one of the only materials capable of harming denizens of the Dark Multiverse, making Hawkman and Hawkgirl two of the most reliable allies against the likes of Barbatos and The Batman Who Laughs. They also possess the ability to telepathically empathize and communicate with birds and, upon further training, other animals like bears, wolves, and deer.
  • The Hawkman and Hawkgirl that is the most well-known as well as the ones that are presumed to be in the Pantheon are their Post-Crisis iterations. The two of them have knowledge of their past selves as well as their future incarnations, particularly the ones from Post-Flashpoint, but it's best not to think about it too much and even the pair would give a brief statement on it. As it turns out, Hawkman's origins are second only to Donna Troy when it comes to one's severe confusion, misunderstanding, and multiple changes regarding their origins and backstories. In Pre-Crisis, Hawkman and Hawkgirl were part of a humanoid extraterrestrial race known as the Thanagarians. There, they were police officers who found interest in Earth and chose to move there to continue their crime-fighting life as superheroes. In Post-Flashpoint, Hawkman is still Carter Hall, but his original self was Ktar Deathbringer of Qgga, a part of an alien race who laid destruction across the universe, though he resented himself and his race, after which he fell for a fellow member named Shrra and both died for daring to defy their race. Ktar's reincarnation was him wanting to atone for his acts and being promised to be ascended to the afterlife once he had saved as many lives as he had taken.
    • While Shiera is what most people would assume to be Hawkgirl, there are actually three individuals with that moniker in the Pantheon. The first is Shayera Thal, a police officer from Thanagar who came to Earth to operate under her own alias of Hawkwoman. The second was Kendra Saunders, a descendant of Shiera who once contemplated suicide, but was saved by the soul of Shiera who decided to inhabit Kendra as her way of not only bringing her back to life but giving her a purpose, namely that of being a defender. In Post-Flashpoint, Kendra became the leader of the Blackhawks, an ensemble of superpowered beings and vigilantes who banded up to observe and stop apocalyptic events from occurring and they were the Justice League's main contact when dealing with the Dark Knights and the Dark Multiverse, though she would later take on the Hawkgirl mantle after proving her bravery and dedication to stopping a great evil and impressing the League and Carter.
  • The pair are patron figures in the House of Love and Affection and despite their deaths, hardly anyone looks at them with pity. Its probably for the best as Hawkman and Hawkgirl have tried to grow past their troublesome past and define themselves as heroes, not to mention both, especially Hawkgirl, do not like to be pitied for their deaths, though in Hawkgirl's case, this can be attributed to the time when Kendra wanted to avert her usual fate as being Carter's lover. Still, they enjoy the place and hanging out with their inhabitants just as much as they see them as great heroes, with Hawkman and Hawkgirl choosing to spend most of their intimate time in the Pantheon there. In the case of Kendra, she's an incredible woman to be bedded with, as Roy Harper can attest. Surprisingly, one of their favorite places to visit there is the Hall of Romantic Loss due to the peaceful ambiance of the place as well as a way for the pair to talk to each other and to others freely. Despite their strong love for each other, they've not been so good at offering romantic advice, much to the humor of a lot of people.
    • While Love is usually a positive topic, this is not the case for Strahd von Zarovich of Barovia, whose romantic desire for a woman named Tatyana is the main drive for his villainy and his transformation into a vampire when she instead fell for his younger brother, Sergei. Sure Strahd manages to kill Sergei on his wedding day, but Tatyana commits suicide in reaction to the event. Things didn't stop here when the inhabitants of Barovia are destined to be reincarnated, as was the case of Tatyana. Strahd has done anything he can to earn the affection of Tatyana's descendants, but she's always taking her own life before it can be fulfilled. The Hawks were dismayed and disappointed by Strahd's actions, claiming that his obsession would only cause further revulsion for her and misery for himself. Strahd was not amused and attacked the Hawks in response, not wanting to let go of his one-sided love for Tatyana and telling the Hawks to "mind their own business". Ultimately, the Hawks concluded that despite his affability, Strahd was simply too far gone to be reasoned with regarding love and affection and the only time they'll be meeting with each other is in a fight.
  • With the pair being the Pantheonic representatives of reincarnation, they expected that they would meet up with similar figures sometime down the line. They were pleased when they encountered Link one day after hearing of his exploits as Hyrule's greatest hero and someone destined to be reincarnated in time passage to stop a great evil from taking over. The same also applied to Zelda, princess of Hyrule, who was delighted to see Hawkman and Hawkgirl as good friends and company, with the Hawks willing to give Link some training and wisdom as well as offering any aid and protection for the two of them any time they need help, though Zelda is also willing to do the same to them. That said, the Hawks learned that while Link and Zelda have a romantic connection, this doesn't apply to every version of them, though they didn't think that was an issue, believing that Link and Zelda are free to do and choose as they please, respecting their autonomy and their choices.
    • With their alliance with Link and Zelda, the Hawks also caught the attention of Ganondorf, who was amused by the idea of the couple also being reincarnations of an ancient pairing. That said, Ganondorf does express some interest in them, mainly because he sees the Thanagarian equipment they possess as a useful tool to seize for his opposition against Link, Zelda, and the rest of Hyrule. Unsurprisingly, the Hawks treated him as an enemy and extended that towards Demise as well for naturally being the stem of Ganon being destined to reincarnate and his dark destiny to be intertwined with Link and Zelda. In contrast, Ganondorf expresses some respect for the Hawks' combat prowess and abilities, claiming them to be steps above most of the enemies he has to deal with, though he is not above trickery and deceit to defeat the Hawks, feeling that fighting against them together and especially with Link and Zelda would not bode so well for him in the long term.
    • They also came to be acquainted with Usagi Tsukino and Mamoru Chiba upon learning of them being reincarnations of Princess Serenity and Prince Endymion, who died together when Endymion tried to protect Serenity, though now in addition to being reincarnated with a second chance for each other, Usagi and Mamoru fight together as Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Mask respectively, with the latter being a shadowy benefactor to the Sailor Guardians. It helps that Usagi herself is a close friend of Wonder Woman and the Sailor Guardians' efforts in protecting the cosmos are not too far off from the efforts of Pre-Crisis Thanagarians. The Avatars, particularly Aang and Korra were also figures of interest and while Aang has his childish moments of being a prankster and messing around with the Hawks, he nevertheless does express a good deal of respect to them and the Hawks found his wisdom to be surprisingly profound. As for Korra, while more inexperienced compared to Aang, she and Hawkgirl have a good deal of respect for their martial skills and they would fight against each as a way to hone their skills, with Korra usually being the instigator. In return, Hawkgirl is open to giving her younger companion some words of advice and wisdom. On the other hand, they are rather pitiful of Caius Ballad who underwent a similar tragedy, yet wanted to accomplish his task of reuniting with his lost love through more destructive means, something that the Hawks had to oppose as they obviously wouldn't allow time to be disrupted, let alone destroyed. The King of Sorrow is more sympathetic and was reborn into a better person after his original death. Upon learning of his original fate and the circumstances that led to his villainy, the Hawks have been doing their part to loom after Sorrow in the hopes that he could be given a more socially and emotionally healthy life in the Pantheon.
  • As denizens of Ancient Egypt due to their past lives, the Hawks have varied thoughts about the many inhabitants of that time. They personally pity Tutankhanum for his harsh life as well as having had a tough time being a ruler due to his young age and inexperience, not to mention his likely being used by other politicians for their own ends, and to say nothing about his failed love life and having two stillborn daughters. Despite his arrogance and insistency on having his followers believe in Aten, Akhenaten surprisingly managed to remain cordial with the pair and he does his best not to alienate them too much, though his arrogance has been noted to be annoying according to Hawkgirl. Rameses, however, wasn't keen on the pair and came to oppose them for being a challenge to his authority, though he usually tends to rely more on his followers regarding that front. The Hawks are not a fan of him being an irrational man who tried to kill baby boys simply to avert a prophecy and have called out his impulsiveness on a number of occasions despite Rameses doing his best to maintain civility and cautiousness.
    • One of the first enemies they made in the Pantheon was Apocalypse, one of the first mutants who also came from Ancient Egypt and, compared to Khufu and Chay-Ara, led a harsh life that came to define his belief of the strong surviving and the necessity of war. While the Hawks quickly determined En Sabah Nur to be a great threat as told by the exploits of the X-Men, his devastation of Khandaq and him brutalizing Black Adam was what made the pair very concerned about just what he is capable of. Apocalypse personally thinks that the Hawks may be useful if they become part of his Four Horsemen and only expresses disappointment that they wouldn't. Still, he has some issues with their Thanagarian tech, with Apocalypse believing that those materials may be able to cause significant harm to him. Regardless, Apocalypse has remained a threat that the Hawks are on a constant lookout for in the event he stirs up a war or conflict of some kind as he did with Khandaq.
    • There was also Kang the Conqueror, who once served as a pharaoh in Ancient Egypt. Given his millennia-long streak of conquest and villainy as well as possibly being Rama-Tut, the Hawks are willing to fight against him, though Kang personally pities the fact that they are destined to love each other and die upon meeting one another, seeing it as a cursed fate. On a fantastical note, the Hawks were interested in learning about Nehekhara after hearing of it as a fantastical counterpart to Ancient Egypt. It's here where the divine couple came to learn of Settra and Nagash, great Tomb Kings who held great power and authority. While Settra was hard to come across, the Hawks barely managed to be on speaking terms with him, proving that they only visited Nehekhara out of interest and not wanting to rob and invade, claiming themselves as peacekeepers. Still, Settra did note the two's bravery and acknowledged that, in addition to their innocence, they are legitimately keeping their word. Despite their differences, they do agree that Nagash is a grave threat to everyone he comes across and has to be stopped, with Nagash being the main reason why Settra would even consider the possibility of fighting alongside the Hawks. Nagash personally doesn't care much for the Hawks, though he does muse on the idea of finding and taking Thanagarian materials to either further his equipment and further power up his Black Pyramid, something that the pair found terrifying to think about and furthering their efforts to oppose and stop the Great Necromancer.
  • Being an archaeologist in his spare time, Carter has a job in the House of Legacy and Influence, being a researcher and explorer of ancient times and while Ancient Egypt is his personal favorite, he's also excited about the idea of going around the Pantheon and uncovering places that house evidence linking to historical events and monuments related to the divine realms. Indiana Jones and Lara Croft have met Carter in his civilian guise on a number of occasions and they've managed to get along with the three of them expressing a strong sense of adventure. Jones and Croft are aware of Carter's superhero identity, but he wishes that they're better off hanging with his civilian guise, wanting to enjoy archaeology as a work rather than having to be a magnet for evil villains to come swarming onto them. Nathan Drake was another adventurer and archaeologist but has since retired from the former and decided to be the latter in a more professional and legal way. He's bummed out about not exploring the Egyptian ruins and uncovering something similar to what Carter found, but the latter thinks that Nate should be concerned for his safety. Regardless, Nate found the idea of a "Hawkman" to be pretty cool and despite some witty remarks, he gets along with Carter fine enough.
  • In one iteration, Shayera was sent to Earth and join the Justice League under the pretense of being a cop, but actually being a soldier whose purpose is to spy on the League to better prepare the Thanagarians for inciting war against Earth, intending to take over the planet for themselves. Despite being on board at first, Shayera ended up bonding with the League, prompting her to betray her race and help the League repel the Thanagarians away from Earth, despite having become controversial after her revelation. Feeling ashamed, Hawkgirl left the league without hearing a consensus from the League about whether she should stay. This experience led Shayera to encounter Nolan Grayson in the Pantheon, who was also part of an alien race, the Viltrumites, who was sent to Earth to masquerade as a hero, taking on the title of Omni-Man while discreetly helping Viltrum prepare for a future takeover on Earth, though his growing feeling and attachment for the planet and especially his family, Debbie and Mark, his wife and son respectively, ended with him becoming too reluctant to carry out his mission and leaving Earth prematurely before rebelling against Viltrum and becoming an actual hero in the process. As a result, Hawkgirl is able to get along and communicate with Omni-Man a lot better than other heroes who are still either conflicted or distrustful of him, considering their similar circumstances. Nolan has expressed some concern about whether Thanagarians are in the Pantheon, but Hawkgirl affirms that not all of them are bad and that she is prepared to face any threat if need be. Either way, she recommended Nolan that they find time to cherish what means a lot to them in the Pantheon as well, to which he conceded.
  • Much like with Love and Affection, the Hawks are also seen as patron figures in the Hall of Birds with the denizens and visitors of that place seeing them as sterling examples of traditional heroes. The Hawks occasionally visit the Hall, believing that they have an obligation to communicate with the animals that they are themed after and they're known for giving them a sense of encouragement, safety, and hope to the Hall whenever they arrive, as shown with Hawkman's speeches about standing up for one's self. On a more personal note, the Hawks were awed by the sight and presence of Lugia and Ho-Oh and both pairs took a liking for each other. Though the legendary bird duo isn't exactly representatives of reincarnation, Hawkman and Hawkgirl still respected their power and authority and they've seen each other as good allies since. They've also become friends with Harvey Birdman, a busy and hardworking attorney who involves himself with zany cases. Hawkman once suggested him in becoming a superhero and while Harvey considered, he politely declined, stating that he's got his hands full with the number of court cases he's looking out for.
  • Among other allies the Hawks have encountered were the Ninja Turtles, who upon encountering the pair, were reminded of a fellow ally they had at their homeworld named Raptaar, and Professor X of the X-Men, who noted that the Hawks were physically very similar to that of fellow X-Men member Angel. Of course, The Turtles and Charles Xavier have both dealt with their fair share of aliens and ancestral beings, so their first encounters with the Hawks were a little rocky at first before the pair clarified their circumstances, allowing them to get along. It helped that Raptarr was a member of the Justice Force, something that the Hawks found amusing upon learning of it, and the Turtles themselves were visitors to the DC Universe on a few occasions. Charles personally found it nice that the Hawks were generally respected by the populace and helped the duo become acquainted with Jean Grey, whose been through a similar phase regarding coming back, albeit through rebirth and being a representative of a bird, namely the phoenix. Hawkman likes the turtles, though he does get into silly arguments with Michaelangelo from time to time whereas Hawkgirl likes to discuss formal matters with Charles as well as understand more about telepathy from Jean, hoping that she could practice more on being capable of mentally defending herself as well as be a good leader someday.
  • They're sometimes seen or mistaken for angels by some people to the point where some in the House of Religion and Faith sometimes chant about them being heralds of divine intervention. Oliver Queen likes to roll with it and make some quips, much to Hawkman's annoyance and it doesn't help that his own conservative views on law frequently clash with Oliver's more rebellious and liberal thinking. Aside from that, there is some credibility in their angelic comparisons as Hawkgirl is sometimes revered as something similar to one, especially for her Post-Flashpoint version. Palutena is eager to have some conversations with the pair and she's happy that they're positive figures in her residing House. Pit followed suit, wanting to go on some adventures with them as well as get better at flying. Hawkman and Hawkgirl appreciated Pit's enthusiasm and are willing to tag him along on their side, though they do express concern when Pit's youthful nature is taken into account. They had some wariness regarding Dark Pit given his origins, but after learning that his individuality is more leaning toward heroism, they've agreed to try a hand at mentoring Dark Pit, even if his rebelliousness is something they're going to have to contend with. Viridi has been a constant snarker for the Hawks, given that they are human, and finds the idea of them being angels in all but name to be hilarious. Petty squabbles between her and Hawkman have been frequent, though Viridi does have some respect for Hawkgirl if mainly for her fierce attitude and being willing to help others in spite of it.
"Even though a man is weak, if he fights to overcome his weaknesses — and wins — he deserves the best!"
Hawkman (Carter Hall)

"Death is close by, Kendra, ready to reach out and touch you both! Be careful. Remember the past lives of the Hawks!"
Hawkgirl (Shiera Sanders)

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#193496: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:12:57 AM

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@Kuzco: Miguel and Tulio saved a similar civilization to Kuzco's (after pretending to be their gods), Tommen Baratheon is someone attempting to be a benevolent ruler but gets manipulated, Sara Crewe is a more humble member of royalty.

Edited by Necromancer10 on Oct 10th 2022 at 2:27:29 PM

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#193499: Oct 10th 2022 at 11:24:15 AM

@Kuzco: Maybe add in something about him being more comfortable hanging around all the Disney Princesses due to him being such a flamboyant diva, making him a positive example of Camp Straight in Disney media.

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#193500: Oct 10th 2022 at 12:20:08 PM

@CrimsonShark -

  • I forgot to mention that Cleopatra is also an Egyptian pharaoh and I forgot she was here.
  • One major correction is that Harvey Birdman is a retired hero who became a lawyer after growing tired of the stresses of fighting crime. But you are correct that he would be too busy to go back to crime fight.

Otherwise, kindly add those and you get a thumb from me.

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@r-lock256 - Kuzco

Existing Character Relations:


Additional Interaction Ideas:
  • I'm surprised you didn't include Tiana as well considering she also learns a lesson as an animal. I also see him being friends with Charlotte for having a happy and carefree personality. Plus it would flatter her to meet another royal (even if it's not the one she expects)
  • Other people unwillingly transformed into animals are Bub and Bob and Odette
  • Kronk - Here's the dilemma, include the show or not include the show? If it's the former, Kronk becomes Kuzco's new advisor at the end of the show while Yzma became Kronk's helper. This is make him strong allies with Kuzco. If it's the latter you stay consistent because Kronk's profile ignores the show and he would like be in "On Speaking Terms" since Kronk is not actively antagonistic to Kuzco but not buddy buddy either. So, it is up to you if you follow Kronk's profile or go your own direction.
  • Mentioned this in the Gaston suggestions that Kuzco would like oppose him given that both are prideful and full of themselves. The difference is Kuzco changed, Gaston did not.
  • Prideful People who have taken an L (that I think could make interesting interactions):

Edited by lawliet-saw-whet on Oct 10th 2022 at 8:59:45 PM

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