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Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • The very first thing any contributor should do before working on an idea or a profile is to propose and nominate the idea on the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning, a paragraph of reasoning to justify taking a trope should be sufficient. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Attempting to work on ideas without a nomination and at least one net thumbs-up will not be accepted regardless of how much you have written already. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. For reworks in particular, nominate the idea as you would with new characters or profiles. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user, either in the Pantheon or the Sandbox sections.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters. Some real-life individuals, including content creators (fictional content created by them is still fair-game, but do not bring up the creators themselves in such cases), may be considered disqualified for profiles due to controversies that would make them concern the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment. To determine where a current creator would be disqualified:
      • Wait for at least a month after the latest significant update for a creator's controversy before any decision can be made. If a confirmation from the questioned creator (or associates) themselves occurs, then wait for a week.
      • Immediate disqualification for either a guilty sentence in a significant court case against the creator, or evidence of consistently repeated, deliberate, and/or intentionally provocative hate speech and advocacy of dehumanizing perspectives, with lesser examples warranting caution instead.
      • For creators with a clear persona of their character disclosed before any scandal, the persona can have a profile with no mentioning of their real-life information. Ambiguous existence of a persona would have to be discussed further hand for anything more decisive.
    • For obvious reasons, gods cannot be followers, high priests, or heralds. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one-week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions Expansion, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be one flavor text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like to look like Character Shilling.
    • Every troper new to the Pantheon is barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles, this means avoiding the usage of "[tup]" or "[tdown]".
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for the deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others. After all, no one is responding to their idea.
    • You can also adopt a profile or idea to work on from another contributor by messaging a request to them (preferably through private messages). Even if you get their permission, you still have to announce your adoption to the forum. Note that if the idea wasn't nominated in the first place you still have to properly nominate it.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to note in a trope example that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, correct the situation by deleting the offending text. This goes for any non-Pantheon page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Pantheon.Good And Evil Colors.
    • Do not bring things that would incite fights; hot topics and 'urgent' news are not pertinent to the Pantheon's mission. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight each other, so don't suggest things that go in that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.
    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • Please refer to Text Formatting Rules when writing a profile, since understanding how to make and edit site pages in general is a necessity for working on profiles or other Pantheon content. Additionally, if you are not experienced with English, refer to this forum page, as proper English spelling and grammar is expected.
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also, be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in another House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity at most.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part of their series' official soundtracks from the media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters' appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlight a character's behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute it to the original artist. Due to the website's dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too many bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, run the compressed image through other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikis to look for better images, as even wikis for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that make sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally an expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entirely from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well-advised not to abuse them. The only house where trope-less profiles are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
    • Do not write in self-promotion or blatant advertising. Minor references to something are fine but writing that clearly intends to advertise something will not be given toleration.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place, or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending on if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.
    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warper deities capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warper deities that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low-level Reality Warper beings capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Badass Normal citizens of the pantheon, making up for their lower status with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.
    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity: God X, God/Goddess/Deity of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on the representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral, etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here; the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignments to characters that don't have an alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case the deity would be unavailable, incapacitated, dead, or otherwise incapable of carrying out their duties. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.

    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either from their perspective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly oppose or are opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects", "On Good Terms With", and/or "Commonality Connection") in terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
      • OPTIONAL NOTE FOR CHARACTER RELATIONSHIPS: Should the list for Character relationships (IE. Allies, Enemies, etc.) become too big, categorize a certain number of characters to a specific group putting them on a sublist (One example: Luigi is from the same world as his brother Mario, hence Luigi should be fall under the Super Mario Bros sublist.)
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part, the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This is the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis of the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.
Template for Dominions profiles: Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as to where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.
Template for Treasure profiles: The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as to where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Tabs on Jun 24th 2024 at 7:51:43 AM

HamanaHamanaHamana Dog or Oni? (Bitroper)
Dog or Oni?
#193201: Sep 18th 2022 at 2:23:49 AM

Just delete Cheetah. Her profile wasn't great to begin with.

I swear Loid, you can't draw worth shit!
Muundeis Acheron is SUS from ANYWHEREEEEEEE!!!! AAAAAHHHHH!!! Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Acheron is SUS
#193202: Sep 18th 2022 at 3:50:47 AM

@Excessive: I have salvaged Cheetah's profile instead.

Anybody who would like to claim her profile, let me know in PMs.

Hey you, what's up man? Give me money, please!
CrownlessMimic N Corp. E.G.O::Contempt, Awe from The City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
N Corp. E.G.O::Contempt, Awe
#193203: Sep 18th 2022 at 4:14:35 AM

@ r-lock: For Ridley, The Slugs follow a hedonistic lifestyle that tends to push them into turning towards piracy to further their own interests. Members of the Reverberation Ensemble aren't above things such as murder when it comes to accomplishing what they want. Elena and Greta in particular are openly sadistic with Argalia and Jae-heon not being too far behind them.


First draft for the 7th Dragon parties. For now, just other dragon-related deities, considering the game's name is slaying loads of them. By the end of III Code: VFD, the party's efforts of that game have led to dragons outright being erased from the new universe.

7th Dragon Partiesnote , Divine Collective of Lazy Backup

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Kazan Hunters
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Murakumo Unit 13
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Nodens Unit 13
  • Potential House: Hall of ? (Gaming)
  • [tup]s:
  • Intermediate Deities. They, particularly Nodens Unit 13, are able to fell Greater Deities.
  • Symbol:
  • Theme Songs: Sink Into Flowers, World [Retro version.] (Kazan Hunters Guild), SeventH-HeaveN, HeavenZ-ArmZ (Murakumo Unit 13), ChRøNiClESeVeN (Nodens Unit 13)
  • Alignment: Neutral Good
  • Portfolio: Parties of customizable Featureless Protagonists, Chronic Hero Syndrome, An Adventurer Is You, Dragonslaying groups
  • Domains: Dragonslaying, Parties, Heroism, Player Characters
  • Allies: Etrian Odyssey Guilds, The Eight Travelers, Hatsune Miku
  • On Speaking Terms with: Orm Marius
  • Rivals:
  • Enemies: Tiamat, Grima, Sindragosa, Smaug, Alduin, Deathwing, Fatalis, Commander Rourke, The Gyaos
  • Respected by/Respects:
  • Pitied by/Pities:
  • Opposed by/Opposes:
  • Conflicting Opinion:
  • High Priest:
  • Herald:
  • The concept of “dragons” by definition tends to vary from culture to culture be it malicious monsters terrorizing the countryside to wise old beings that command awe and respect. In one universe, they are not only creatures from beyond the stars, but a whole horde that seeks to devour civilizations, leaving in their wake naught but death and their signature toxic flowers known as Dragonsbane. And unfortunately for humanity, they happen to be the Dragons’ latest target to feast upon. While not totally helpless to combat this threat from outer space, humanity’s tomorrow lies in the hands of the fabled “Dragon Hunters”. Whether they’re a plucky guild of adventurers who hail from the fantastical far future, a group of sole-surviving S-Rankers initially scouted to help clear out monsters, or warriors throughout three different time periods brought together, their objective remains the same: Hunt down each and every last monster and dragon they find to take back their world.
  • (ascension)
  • (Etrian Odyssey guilds)
  • (dragon slayers)
  • (dragons, bad and good)
  • Among their ranks are the Lucier, a race of humanoids who can be mainly identified by their unique ears, pointed ears for the males, and cat ears for the females. The Lucier's roots date back to the lost undersea kingdom of Atlantis before its fall at the hands of the 3rd True Dragon, Nyala. After its fall, they were thought to be extinct but were brought back in the year 2021 A.D. through the use of cloning in order to help forge the Dragonslayer thanks to their connection to Orichalcum though out of the candidates, only one possessed the ATL code necessary while the rest ended up joining Murakumo Unit 13. In 2100 A.D., the Unit 13 under Nodens Enterprises ended up evacuating the surviving Atlantean Lucier to their time period during their mission to create the Dragon Chronicle. Meanwhile, the cloned Lucier ended up forming a city-state in the mountains for themselves in what would become the Nevenplace Empire in the future of 7200 A.D. where Earth would be known as Eden. Here, Lucier has effectively become commonplace.
    • (atlantis, Aquaman, Orm, Namor, Milo, Dartz, Indiana Jones, Lara Croft)
    • (Rourke, Gyaos, Fu Dog, Cosmo, Ur-Quan Kzer-Za)
  • (Hatsune Miku in 2020 games)

Edited by CrownlessMimic on Sep 18th 2022 at 4:26:27 AM

Be awed. Or be awestruck. This is the difference between the ordinary and the extraordinary.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#193204: Sep 18th 2022 at 5:23:26 AM

Rough draft of Green Hill Zone. I've been having some writer's block with it so general advice on what to add would be nice

Green Hill Zone, Divine Scenic Grassland Introductory Level

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  • Note: Restoration
  • Hall: Fictional Settings (House of Dominions Expansion
  • Description: A serene grassland with checkered soil, loops and ramps
  • Symbol: A photo of the place with Sonic's signature written on the corner
  • Theme Song: The OST from the first Sonic game
  • Alignment: True Neutral
  • Portfolio: The Green Hill Zone, Scenery Porn, Re-Used For Nostalgia
  • Domains: Starting Levels, Scenery, Greenery, Loop-de-loops
  • Sacred to: Sonic the Hedgehog and friends
  • Unholy to: Dr Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik (more like he's unholy to it)
  • Ah, Green Hill Zone. Sonic the Hedgehog lives in a world with many lush and varied environments, and the first recorded fight he had with the notorious Dr Eggman was in Green Hill Zone. It's a nice, quaint little grassland with different paths and wide-open areas for Sonic to first test his Super-Speed. Among its notable features include palm trees, crumbling cliffs, some spikes, and various ramps and loops. Be it nostalgia Sonic has revisited Green Hill Zone on a number of occasions. You can find it on the simply-named South Island.
  • Normally the Green Hill Zone is a safe haven for the less aggressive members of the House of Beasts and Fauna. The wild critters there became Sonic's friends, however they also became target of Eggman's first known villainous schemes: turn the animals into power sources for his robots. On occasion he'll try to cause trouble again, so fair warning to any deity of the aforementioned House who wants to chill; do so right after Sonic and his friends have kicked Eggman out. Also, there's always a piece of music accommodating the area so if you don't want it stuck in your head don't stay for too long-it's really good.
  • Many of the gods who originate from video game universes found Green Hill Zone reminiscent of nice and peaceful grasslands they've visited before. Link has been in a number of grasslands like Hyrule Field, which recently functioned as a Hub Level. Mario might have had the most experience with Green Hill Zone-like locations, which given how long he's been in the business isn't surprising. It's enough that Mario can almost "play the game" in Green Hill Zone as well as Sonic despite being the latter's home turf. Wario felt that this was all wasting time because he wanted to make money by building ramps and stairs and bill slower deities to use them.
  • Eggman has sometimes messed with the environment of Green Hill Zone. During his six month takeover his factories led it to be part desert. That particular incident brought some environmental protectors to that zone due to it being in every bit of danger as other places and they have taken watch of it in case deities who like to cause environmental damage for fun and/or profit do anything to it. For example, while Captain Planet loves to vibe there after the Resistance cleaned up Eggman's damage, Hexxus absolutely hates how there's no urbanization or grime to be found.
  • Recently got some modification so LEGO deities like Emmet can take advantage of the area. In some corners of the multiverse it is a base of operation for the Freedom Fighters to fight against Robotnik. Upon the Green Hill Zone's re-installation into the Trope Pantheon, the House of Sports has commissioned more loop-de-loops and speed sections for bicycle rides, skating and skateboards. Dr Eggman attempted to scam the Court of the Gods into buying his material to prep it for sports, but they know him and vetoed any outsourcing to him or evil-aligned deities in general.
  • Among other uses of this place, Sonic used it to race cars with others a few times, Amigo has used it as a dance zone on occasion and has been used as a fighting arena on separate instances. It's sort of understandable why Sonic would use it as an arena for battling Mario and other Nintendo characters, but why the hedgehog would let people he doesn't even know about loan Green Hill to fight on is anyone's guess. On an equally weird note, it might have been used as a golf course as well.

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#193205: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:01:22 AM

Hello Trope Pantheons! Long time, no see! A few months, in fact!

It's been a busy summer, and the bulk of my activity on this site was spent building up an obscure Kongregate mobile game... rest assured I'll have drafts up for Zardy (Lost in the Maize) and Lonesome Rhodes (Horrible Hollywood) soon.

But before I get those, I have one more idea for a god. Unreadably Fast Text doesn't have one, and two characters sprung to mind.

The first: Wendy Oldbag, from Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney.

Oldbag is a grouchy, elderly security lady and recurring minor character throughout the original Ace Attorney trilogy. As the name implies, she's a old windbag, and she goes on long-winded rambles that are too fast to read. She has quite a reputation in-universe, with Miles Edgeworth even calling her the "wicked witch of the witness stand".

The second: Lord Hyness, from Kirby Star Allies.

Hyness doesn't get a lot of screen time for the Big Bad of the game, but boy does he make an impression. The bulk of his dialogue is a furious Motive Rant that clicks by extremely quickly. He currently provides the trope page's video example, with a perfect 5.00/5.00 star rating after 27 reviews.

Both of these characters could potentially fit the trope, but Oldbag might also fit as a follower of the current God of Rambling Old Man Monologues, Abraham Simpson. What do you think? Personally leaning Hyness, but seeing as the last god I proposed (Fecto Forgo) was also from a Kirby game, I don't want to be known for only ascending gods from this franchise.

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#193206: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:29:32 AM

Hey my name is Shayanthan Yuhanthan, and I'm new here! This is my first time here at the site! I would like to request these characters from the following to the pantheon, as I believe that they have fully earned that right, have a decent following, and meme culture. I'm not entirely sure what "gods" they could be, but here is a list of popular characters, who I believe have fully earned their placement:

Arthur Morgan (Red Dead Redemption)

Saul Goodman/Jimmy Mc Gill & Mike Ehrmantraut (Breaking Bad verse)

Levi Ackerman & Armin Arlet (Attack On Titan) (I would also add Jean, Zeke, and Falco, plus Gabi, maybe even Pieck)

Solaire Of Astora, Gwynevere, Shalonette, & Fire Keeper (Dark Souls)

I'm thinking of a few more, which I'll try and post next time! Thank You!

[tup]

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#193207: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:59:25 AM

[up] Not only do you not request others to do a particular character for you (if that's what you're doing) for superficial reasons such as their own popularity, the popularity of the work they're from, or meme culture, you don't suggest characters because you think they're entitled to earn a spot in the Pantheon. Characters are suggested because they fit a particular trope and have a good explanation for fitting said trope.

You simply provided a random list of characters without explaining what kind of trope they would fit and you're only allowed to have a maximum of three characters to be suggested at a time (plus, whatever three characters are being suggested have three chances to get a good suggestion in before it's being seen as shoehorned).

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#193208: Sep 18th 2022 at 9:21:33 AM

@RJ- To add to the last entry, Green Hill Zone was also used for tennis. Aside from that, not sure what else to add to Green Hills Zone. The Sonic movie has a version of Green Hills that is a rural town in Montana, which I guess is worth noting if you feel it so.

@carduinal- Welcome back! And for which to represent that trope, I'm personally leaning towards Wendy Oldbag, since she really does do that whenever she appears. And Kirby has a LOT of deities already while Ace Attorney is comparatively lacking. That said, I'll await to see what others think. Having watched the video example, Lord Hyness certainly demonstrates the trope quite great lol And don't worry about being the "Kirby guy"; I feel like everyone in here gravitates towards certain series' or mediums with regards to adding to the Pantheon, and I see nothing wrong with that. I personally find myself preferring to ascend characters from relatively obscure things that I think would add to the Pantheon nonetheless (be honest, would any of you have known about Nightmare Ned if I didn't ascend Ned into the Pantheon?). And ultimately, I think what matters most is if you think a character represents a trope good enough and offers plenty of interesting interactions within the Pantheon. I can see plenty for Wendy Oldbag, such as crushing on deities similar to Edgeworth in appearance/behavior, much to their disgust.

Now zen! King of Sorrow and Joka got a total of 4 [tup] back on September 16th, so their ascension date is slated for September 19th. That is unless someone wants to throw in one more thumb to both for an immediate ascension ;3 But of course, any last-minute additions to these two anyone would like to chime in?

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King of Sorrow, God of Accepting Sadness (King, KoS)
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  • Potential House: Types of Sadness
  • Thumbs: 4 (Crimson Shark, Necromancer10, lawliet-saw-whet, Excessive-Menace)
  • Intermediate God, bordering on Greater God
  • Symbol: Nemo Moo
  • Theme Song: King of Sorrow's Theme. King of Sorrow, when in "Sphere Mode". Dubmix version when in "Shell Mode".
  • Alignment: Neutral Good. Formerly Neutral Evil.
  • Portfolio: Walking Spoiler, Wanted people to stop suppressing their sorrow, Anti-Villain, Royals Who Actually Do Something, An extremely sympathetic person driven to villainy from being rejected and forgotten, Unsettling red eyes, Only known by his title, Sorrowful reflection of Klonoa's Phantomilian appearance, Only wanted to save his ruined kingdom and to bring sorrow back to Lunatea regardless of potential harm, Fluent in Lunatean, Manipulated Klonoa, Lolo, and Popka to complete his goals under the guise of "Baguji the Wise", Died in Klonoa's arms into a trail of light, Redeemed on death
  • Domains: Sorrow, Tears, Royalty, Tragedy, Acceptance
  • Heralds: Leorina and Tat
  • Allies: Klonoa, Sadness, Joy, Princess Luna and Princess Celestia, Merlina, Agatha Penderghast, Count Bleck, Scarlet Witch, Hiro Hamada and Baymax (and the rest of Big Hero 6), Yesod, Sonic the Hedgehog, Miles "Tails" Prower, Spongebob Squarepants, Charlie the Unicorn, Eeyore, Avatar Korra, and The House of Despondency as a whole (minus the particularly evil ones)
  • Enemies: Joka, Nightmare, Saya, Stan Smith, Crow, Evil deities who suppress or try to forget their sorrows
  • Opposes: Good and Neutral deities who suppress or try to forget their sorrow (with certain exceptions, like Dr. Zalost)
  • Pities: Malygos, Odio/Oersted, Generally tragic/woobie villains who have not reformed in life or in death
  • In the world of Lunatea, there were five kingdoms that each embody a state of the mind: La-Lakoosha, the Kingdom of Tranquility. Joilant, the Kingdom of Joy. Volk, the Kingdom of Discord. Mira-Mira, the Kingdom of Indecision. And Hyuponia, the Kingdom of Sorrow. However, while people could embrace if not desire tranquility, joy, discord, and indifference... Those who encounter sorrow would do their best to forget it, to pretend sorrow never existed. And ultimately, the Lunateans would do exactly that with Hyuponia; putting a veil over their eyes to ignore the Kingdom of Sorrow and then forgetting there was ever a fifth kingdom at all. This total rejection of sorrow would cause Hyuponia to be cut off from the rest of Lunatea, hidden away beneath the Sea of Tears, and the Kingdom of Sorrow's inhabitants would die out or abandon it with one strict exception: the King of Sorrow himself. King of Sorrow sought to have the people of Lunatea remember sorrow once more, to remember his kingdom and himself, and for them to accept himself and his kingdom back into the world. But years of being ignored and forgotten, isolated within the ruins of his kingdom, made King of Sorrow lose faith in Lunatea and decide to reject the world in return; devising a plan to bring the Kingdom of Sorrow back to Lunatea by force and then drowning the world with sorrow, which would have catastrophic consequences. And to set that plan into motion, King of Sorrow summoned the Dream Traveler, Klonoa, to Lunatea with a sincere plea for help, but Klonoa would not allow for Lunatea to be consumed by sorrow and ultimately he and King would battle each other in King's palace, with the Dream Traveler emerging the victor. But before King could succumb to his wounds, the sympathetic Klonoa rang the Bell of Sorrow, allowing for the Kingdom of Sorrow to return to Lunatea, and then promised the dying King that people won't run away from their sadness anymore: they will remember and accept sorrow.
  • Although the King of Sorrow was reborn as an infant in a newly harmonious Lunatea, he appeared in the Pantheon, within the House of Despondency, one day: exactly the same as he was before death. Confused as to where he was, how he got there, and why, King of Sorrow wandered around the House of Despondency until he was encountered by Korra, one of the Mediators of Grief, who noticed how lost King looked and not recognizing him as part of the Pantheon. After King of Sorrow told her that the last thing he remembered was dying, Korra realized what had happened and escorted King to the Court of the Gods, explaining along the way that he was in the Pantheon and most likely his spirit traveled to the realm in search of an afterlife and the Pantheon's properties restored King's body and memories. King of Sorrow was amazed that he got a second chance at life, in a very vast and diverse world, but became anxious when he and Korra arrived to the Court of the Gods and they tried to find a place for the Hyuponian. Fortunately, the newly ascended Klonoa arrived to the Court to take care of some paperwork and recognized the King of Sorrow. With the two being familiar with each other, the Court decided that King of Sorrow would act as Klonoa's Herald, which King did not oppose as he remembered Klonoa and how the Dream Traveler allowed Hyuponia to be remembered and accepted by Lunatea; which King of Sorrow is eternally grateful for.
    • Overtime, however, the King would end up feeling "useless" as Klonoa's Herald, not really accomplishing anything nor being able to provide Klonoa as much companionship as his past friends could. And once Klonoa decided to include said past friends: Huepow, Lolo, Popka, and Guntz as his Heralds, King of Sorrow felt like he would become an overlooked fifth wheel and fell into a depression. Feeling bad for King of Sorrow and not wanting him to feel ignored and forgotten again, Klonoa reached out to the Court of the Gods and asked about ascending King as a deity so they could be godly allies. To that end, the Court of the Gods examined the King of Sorrow's story, officially named "Lunatea's Veil", and took note of how the event is one big allegory for the repression of sadness: as Lunatea's rejection and forgetting of sorrow not only led to the destruction of Hyuponia and its inhabitants, and the King of Sorrow losing his sanity into a hateful lump of sorrow, but caused the other kingdoms of Lunatea to become increasingly isolated from one another; with Volk becoming a battleground for a neverending civil war and Mira-Mira rejecting all outsiders, both things that ceased once sorrow was returned to Lunatea. The confrontation with King of Sorrow also made Klonoa come to terms with his bittersweet role as the Dream Traveler, embracing the sadness of his duty and maturing as a person. With this, the King of Sorrow was deemed a good representative for the trope "It's Okay to Cry", albeit under the name "Accepting Sadness", which was what King of Sorrow wanted Lunatea to do. Once more, the King of Sorrow is eternally grateful to Klonoa as he was ascended to godhood.
  • King of Sorrow's temple is a replica of the Kingdom of Sorrow, with the King residing in a replica of his palace, the Terminus of Tears (sans the Bell of Sorrow, as the "kingdom bells" are only significant in Lunatea). A peculiar trait of this Hyuponia copy is that, in addition to its normal background music, deities will hear the music of their most emotional or nostalgic moments mixed in, just as Klonoa experienced during his journey through the ruins of the real Hyuponia. And indeed, King of Sorrow's temple often gets visitors as it became a recommended place for deities who seriously need to cry.
    • Even though he could have his temple essentially be the Kingdom of Sorrow before its ruination, King of Sorrow had the temple Hyuponia appear as the kingdom's ruins. When asked about it, King of Sorrow explained that as nice as it would be to essentially live in Hyuponia in its prime, he'd just be pointlessly dwelling in the past, and reflecting on memories is the Kingdom of Indecision's thing, not Sorrow's. King ultimately doesn't care how his temple looks so long he's not alone nor ostracized and the real Kingdom of Sorrow is faring well, which Lunatea is making sure of with the kingdom's reconstruction and with King of Sorrow's reborn-infant-self poised to become its leader. King also admits that the whole "kingdom ruins" aesthetic, combined with the music, is more appropriate for sorrow and certainly helps with getting the tears flowing for deities who need it.
  • Adding to the above decision, King of Sorrow feels that the House of Despondency as a whole is already like the Kingdom of Sorrow before its ruin, with its sad atmosphere but without the wrecked buildings and actually being populated. And since the House of Despondency was the place he arrived to the Pantheon in, King of Sorrow has a strong attachment to the place and its Sub-Houses and considers all but the most malicious and hostile deities in Despondency an ally.
    • Thanks to this strong attachment to the House of Despondency combined with his title, some deities believe King of Sorrow to be, well, king of the House of Despondency. Something which flatters King but he tries to discourage such misconceptions, not wanting to be seen as stepping on the toes of the Melancholia Matrons and the Mediators of Grief. Especially Korra, as King was thankful for her kindness and help when he first appeared in the Pantheon. Though King of Sorrow does try to provide kingly support to the inhabitants of the house, like any good royal should.
      • Ever since King of Sorrow's ascension, Nemo Moos have been appearing around the House of Despondency. According to King, they are a special type of Moo (a species of dream creatures from Klonoa's universe) that are an incredibly rare sight, rumored by Lunateans to appear when "sadness, despondency, and misery arises", so naturally the Nemo Moos are drawn to the House of Despondency. The Nemo Moos, despite being just as much enemies as all other types of Moos, are effectively harmless as they prefer to just float about minding their own business. Though they are volatile to touch, so caution is still advised around them. Only King of Sorrow is able to touch them without worry, having a level of command over them.
  • When it came to choosing a Herald, King of Sorrow was initially at a loss as he had been alone for so long. But Lolo (now one of Klonoa's heralds) recommended Leorina and her sidekick, Tat, for King as both sought to revive the Kingdom of Sorrow (albeit for the sake of power) and are now leading the reconstruction for the Kingdom of Sorrow back in Lunatea. Though King of Sorrow had his doubts Leorina would want to see him again since he more-or-less used Leorina as a pawn for his own goals, and King hasn't forgotten Leorina's calling him out over his self-pity and rejection of Lunatea, thinking that she still resents him for that. But with no other option, King went along with Lolo's suggestion anyway: expecting rejection from the Sky Pirate and Tat. Much to his surprise, Leorina and Tat immediately accepted becoming King's heralds and regard him as a friend, with Tat explaining on both their behalf that they knew King of Sorrow was not in a good mental state at the time and want to give him a second chance, just as they've been given a second chance by Klonoa, Lolo, and Popka. The two also wouldn't pass up the opportunity to experience a place like the Pantheon, with Leorina adding that somebody has to keep King of Sorrow in check. A small smile could be seen on King of Sorrow after their acceptance.
    • Though Leorina had reformed from being a power-hungry villainess, she's still a proud Sky Pirate and likes to go around stealing things alongside Tat when they aren't with King of Sorrow, preferring to rob those who deserve it. Unfortunately for her, there's no other Sky Pirate in the Pantheon except for Crow, who is too villainous for Leorina to tolerate even with his standards. Crow also reminds Leorina of her greedy, power-hungry self and has sworn to knock some sense into him, which King of Sorrow has promised to help out with, not taking kindly to Crow's villainy himself.
  • On account of being isolated in the ruins of his kingdom for so long, King of Sorrow isn't naturally inclined to wander through the Pantheon: residing mainly in his temple and going out as far as the edge of the House of Despondency. Though Leorina, Tat, Klonoa, and his heralds have been convincing King to explore the rest of the Pantheon and got him to check out the House of Emotion and related Sub-Houses. Given the nature of Lunatea, King of Sorrow couldn't help but equate certain Halls in Emotion with the other four kingdoms of Lunatea: viewing Happiness as like Joilant but without the "amusement park theme" (and he can't decide if Happiness should have an amusement park or not), Anger being most similar to Volk that thankfully hasn't become a warzone (yet), and Calmness being like Mira-Mira with the focus on stoicism. Though King could not find an equivalent to La-Lakoosha, which disappointed him a bit as he has some memories from his reborn-infant-self being cared for by the High Priestess of that kingdom.
    • Having been rejected for representing a "bad emotion", and reminded of the value of other emotions by Klonoa and Leorina during their fight, King of Sorrow gives equal value to all emotions and doesn't malign or reject any of them, even if he harbors preference for sorrow. Though try as he might, King of Sorrow can't help but feel great discomfort when looking at the House of Hatred and Rancor, as the emotion of hatred engulfed him to the point of attempting to destroy his own world. King has been trying to sort out this feeling of his, though the Good-aligned members of that house have told King not to worry as they're not nearly as affected by "emotion rejection" as Lunatea.
  • Pitiable as he may look, King of Sorrow is not a deity to be underestimated as he wields the Element of Sorrow, a power so potent that it overwhelmed the power-crazed Leorina, transforming her into a monster, and threatened to destroy Lunatea as a whole. And he has two methods of fighting: "Shell Mode", in which King of Sorrow transforms into a monstrous entity that can conjure the aforementioned Nemo Moos to toss at foes, done within an alternate tunnel-shaped dimension of King's creation, complete with spiky crystals. And "Sphere Mode", in which King is surrounded by a force field with two spiked balls he controls and green orbs that rotate around and fire lasers.
  • A detail of King of Sorrow that unnerves some deities is how red his eyes are, coupled with his tiny pupils. While King is silent on the subject, Klonoa and others speculate that his eyes appear that way due to excessive crying from being rejected and forgotten for so long. Spongebob Squarepants winced when he heard that theory, recalling the time his own eyes turned red when he poured bubble water on them to entertain a group of kids. King of Sorrow was disturbed to hear that people, children no less, would find amusement in pain like that and offered Spongebob sympathy for that experience.
    • In appreciation for that sympathy, and overall feeling bad for King of Sorrow, Spongebob befriended King and tries to show the Hyuponian a fun time around the Pantheon, usually with a custom-made Krabby Patty for the King of Sorrow. While finding Spongebob's cheeriness and excitement a bit much at times, King greatly appreciates Spongebob's kindness.
  • Many deities have noticed King of Sorrow's resemblance to Klonoa's Phantomilian appearance, down to wearing a scarf that evokes Klonoa's old collar, and speculates that King isn't just an embodiment of sorrow in general but the embodiment of Klonoa's sorrow. Specifically the immense sadness Klonoa experienced when he was pulled out of Phantomile, a world he viewed as his home that he saved from ultimate destruction, only to be cast out and forgotten. Adding to this theory was how the Kingdom of Sorrow, Hyuponia, sounds a little too similar to Huepow, Klonoa's dear friend from Phantomile whom he could never see again (at least before ascending into the Pantheon). King of Sorrow and Klonoa were very intrigued by this speculation and became even closer friends than before. This also prompted King to start visiting the House of Derivatives, feeling a new sense of belonging in there.
  • King of Sorrow didn't think he'd make many friends of his own within the Pantheon, on account of his villainous actions in the past and embodying an emotion that people still generally avoid. But to his pleasant surprise, King would be befriended by plenty of deities. The first and best of these friends being Princess Luna of Equestria, who sympathized all too well with being royalty who represents something that people rejected, becoming resentful from said rejection, and then attempting to force that something onto the whole world in a destructive manner. Though Luna believes King got it even worse since the rejection of his represented aspect destroyed his whole kingdom and its people, and pledged to help with the rebuilding of Hyuponia in Lunatea; which the dark alicorn can actually be of huge help with since Lunatea is a dream world and she has influence over dreams. King of Sorrow is beyond grateful for Princess Luna's support and gets together regularly with her to discuss their kingdom's respective cultures, as well as help each other atone for each other's villainous actions in the past.
    • Through Princess Luna, King of Sorrow became acquainted with her sister, Princess Celestia, who reminds him a lot of the High Priestess of La-Lakoosha: being benevolent and wise leaders of tranquil kingdoms. King would end up getting along great with Celestia as she values sadness as an important emotion, stating that without sorrow there can be no love or friendship, which all of Lunatea can attest to. Celestia also found King of Sorrow to be an interesting individual, being royalty for sadness itself, and was sympathetic for the ostracization he endured due to that.
  • Indeed, many of King of Sorrow's allies are tragic, sympathetic villains who had since reformed, and offered their friendship to King of Sorrow to assure him that he is not alone in committing evil out of hate and/or desperation.
    • Agatha Penderghast could relate to being rejected by people for something inherent to her and then being hidden away (or rather, killed and then buried in an isolated area). And while Agatha wasn't forgotten by the people of her town, their memory of her would get distorted in the worst way, and so she became a hate-filled ghost witch who wanted to make everyone suffer until Norman Babcock gave her some much-needed empathy. King of Sorrow was horrified that a girl as young as her was outright killed by the people of her town over an ability as benign as seeing and talking with the dead, and goes out of his way to comfort the girl however and whenever he can.
    • While Merlina was not rejected by her world of Camelot, nor did she feel any hatred for it, the girl wizard could relate to becoming desperate to save her kingdom from eventual destruction and resorting to dark, unholy powers to accomplish that, regardless of the harm done to everyone. Merlina also noticed that both she and King of Sorrow summoned a hero to help them with their goal only for said hero to defeat them in a climactic battle: Sonic for Merlina and Klonoa for King. But whereas Merlina wanted to make her world eternal, King of Sorrow became fully willing to destroy Lunatea when it appeared that his kingdom was completely unwelcome by the world. Merlina doesn't hold that against him, though, acknowledging that King of Sorrow's situation would drive anyone to want to destroy their world, much as she doesn't agree with it. Merlina was very glad for King of Sorrow that his kingdom is being rebuilt from ruin and that he himself had changed for the better. King in turn fully sympathizes with Merlina over Camelot's inevitable demise and expressed hope that the kingdom could be rebuilt just as Hyuponia is, offering to lend support to Merlina if he's able to be of help.
    • Count Bleck was hesitant at first to even look at King of Sorrow, seeing how King embodies the emotion that engulfed him and fueled his desire to destroy all existence. But Tippi was able to convince her lover to at least try and get to know King of Sorrow before deciding he was to be avoided, and Count Bleck then learned that King of Sorrow is a person not unlike himself; someone who suffered a tremendous tragedy that drove them to bring about great destruction, only to reform upon learning how pointless that destruction was for their goals and now seek to atone. Though King feels Bleck should've at least tried to determine if Timpani was actually killed before deciding to destroy all of existence, but overall sympathizes with the Count over his unfortunate past and is simply glad that he is able to live with his beloved. Count Bleck in turn has offered the support of himself, Tippi, and their heralds in rebuilding the Kingdom of Sorrow.
    • While a hero, Wanda Maximoff AKA Scarlet Witch suffered many tragedies that drove her to immoral actions if not outright villainy: losing the love of her life, her children with him, and her twin brother... King of Sorrow is able to feel the witch's sorrow radiating from her and has given Wanda immense condolences for all the losses she endured. Wanda appreciated King's sympathy and shared her own sympathy for his own tragedy. The Scarlet Witch had since become one of King of Sorrow's more frequent visitors to his temple, in order to express her sadness and tears before they could drive her to more immoral actions.
  • Much to King of Sorrow's dismay, there are plenty of tragic and sympathetic deities who remain on the side of evil with little to no chance of redemption. King feels a strong sense of pity and sympathy for such deities but nonetheless had made clear that he will attack them with lethal force if they start to harm people or destroy things.
    • The first of such deities that come to mind for King is the one who shares the same House with him, Malygos. As the leader of a kingdom whose people have died out thanks to the selfish actions of his world, King empathizes all too much with Malygos over the near extinction his Dragonflight experienced thanks to a corrupted friend. However, while the people of Lunatea were genuinely at fault for the destruction of Hyuponia and its people, King was quick to note that the magic users of Azeroth had nothing to do with the decimation of the Blue Dragonflight, and thus Malygos' tragedy-fueled malevolence is much less excusable. Especially as King would learn from Malygos' former associates that the Blue Dragonflight recovered a great deal from their near extinction when Malygos started the "Nexus War", which would only undo a lot of that recovery. Though with all that noted, King of Sorrow still pities Malygos for how poorly his fate turned out and makes an effort as a neighbor to clear the former Aspect of Magic of his madness and be redeemed. Unfortunately, King's attempts have only gotten him ridicule and boastful threats from Malygos, and one encounter forced King of Sorrow to outright fight the giant blue dragon to defend himself. But the Hyuponian ruler holds out hope that Malygos can be reasoned with.
    • The second deity of this nature that King of Sorrow pities is Odio, or more specifically Odio's original persona: Oersted. King feels sympathy for Oersted over getting tricked into killing his king and then branded a demon by mankind for it, pushing him into becoming the embodiment of hatred itself in his world. While their situations are not at all similar, King of Sorrow understands what it's like to be rejected by the world, become engulfed with hatred, and then spread harm and destruction to his world in response. But King was made to realize from Klonoa that hatred and violence are not the answer; that people could be made to remember and accept sorrow. And so King feels that the same can be done for Oersted if he can just let go of his hatred and be the champion of mankind again. But sadly, even if Oersted himself is willing to turn over a new leaf, Odio cannot be easily abandoned nor eliminated and thinks the King of Sorrow to be a naive fool who will be rejected and forgotten by people once more.
  • As it would happen, King would find companionship in two other equine deities: Charlie the Unicorn and Eeyore (whom King mistook for one of the Momett Dolls when he first saw the toy donkey), who had become the most frequent visitors to King of Sorrow's temple. King initially left the unicorn and plush donkey alone, figuring they did not want company, but eventually became curious as to why they came to his temple so often and decided to ask them. For Charlie, the unicorn found King's temple to be a welcoming place for him: being a quiet, non-adventurous area where he isn't bothered by troublesome nuisances nor do people pointlessly try to improve his mood. And for Eeyore, King of Sorrow's temple is a nice break from the Hundred Acre Wood for him, the place being much more in line with his glum outlook, and certainly helps that much less trouble happens to him. King of Sorrow was perplexed by their answers, having not expected to come across anyone who prefer being sad and negative, but was glad to meet individuals who were so accepting of sorrow, as this meant he himself would always be welcomed by Charlie and Eeyore. Eeyore in turn thanked King of Sorrow for noticing him, and since then King added special areas for Charlie and Eeyore in his temple, which the two appreciated.
  • As the embodiment of sorrow in Lunatea, King of Sorrow views Sadness as fellow kin of sorts, seeing that she embodies sorrow for the whole Pantheon. Sadness reciprocates the feelings of kinship with King of Sorrow and was empathetic to him upon learning what he went through; Sadness often being considered a "useless emotion" in many minds, with the former situation of Riley Andersen's Sadness being the most well-known example. Though she didn't approve of King of Sorrow's destructive methods to bring sorrow back to Lunatea, stating how unbecoming of their emotion that was, but Sadness understood that he was desperate and lost complete faith in Lunatea at the time, and the emotion is simply glad that King got the help he needed. King of Sorrow promised Sadness that he'll never stoop to those levels again and will teach people the merits of sadness so she would no longer be considered "useless".
    • On learning that the Sadness of Riley's mind was actively rejected by Riley's Joy, who even went as far as to try and dispose of a sad Core Memory, King of Sorrow confronted Joy on the assumption that she was the same way to Sadness. King was relieved to see that was not the case, with Joy being a good friend to Sadness, and was then informed by her that Riley's Joy completely changed her attitude towards Riley's Sadness and learning firsthand that It's Okay to Cry. Which surprised King a great deal, as the Emotions are much more directly tied to what they embody than even himself and the other Lunateans, yet Joy could shed tears of sorrow. Nonetheless, Joy apologized to King of Sorrow on behalf of Riley's Joy and all other Joys who have suppressed their Sadnesses: explaining that when you embody someone's happiness, and they and others like the happiness, it's hard not to feel important over the other emotions and want that someone to be happy all the time. King of Sorrow understood the explanation and accepted Joy's apology, then as an apology of his own for the confrontation offered to take Joy to Joilant in Lunatea, knowing she'd love the place.
  • Given that it led his kingdom to be cut off from Lunatea and fall into ruin, decimating his people until only he remained, and both his kingdom and himself to be forgotten... King of Sorrow does not tolerate people who suppress and try to forget their sorrows. As per his trope and his promise to Sadness, King makes an effort to teach deities who suppress their sorrow the damage they're ultimately doing to themselves and that there's no shame in crying. But for Good and Neutral aligned deities who are particularly stubborn about ignoring their sadness, King of Sorrow harbors great disdain for them and ignores them in turn. And for Evil deities who suppress and forget their sorrow, especially in a manner that harms others, King declared them outright enemies whom he'd gladly fight should circumstances come to that. True to her word, Leorina keeps special tabs on King of Sorrow regarding such deities, making sure he doesn't relapse to his extreme ways.
    • Of course, King of Sorrow does try to be mindful of individual context and gives special leeway to deities who avoid their sorrow for very valid reasons. Such as Dr. Zalost, who had experienced such extreme sorrow that he was in total misery and set out to spread that to everyone else. Even the King of Sorrow can understand that Zalost would not want to risk relapsing to that behavior and prefer to keep his desperately sought happiness. King of Sorrow also doesn't hold any ire for most stoic deities since they suppress all their emotions, not just sorrow.
  • With the above in mind, King is nothing short of appreciative to deities who have learned that It's Okay to Cry, if not already embraced sadness. Chief among them being Yesod and Hiro Hamada, who both experienced intense grief from the death of a loved one but repressed their sadness; which resulted in Yesod becoming obsessed with security and clawing at himself, and Hiro closing himself off from others, regressing back to bad habits, and then trying to kill the man responsible for his brother's death. But ultimately Yesod and Hiro learned to come to terms with their sorrows after a meltdown and Tough Love questioning from Baymax respectively, which vastly improved their mental states and becoming better people overall. King of Sorrow couldn't be more proud and thankful for the two boys.
    • When King of Sorrow first met with Baymax, the healthcare companion was immediately compelled to offer his services to the Hyuponian, his sensors detecting high levels of sadness from him. Hiro, having learned about King of Sorrow's nature beforehand, laughed a bit and assured his robot friend that sadness is inherent to King, being an embodiment of sorrow in his native world, and thus nothing to heal. Nonetheless, Baymax was insistent on providing therapy to King of Sorrow and the Hyuponian admitted that he still has mental scars from being rejected and forgotten. With that, it was arranged for Baymax and King to get together every week to help him heal from that trauma. Hiro and other members of Big Hero 6 would sometimes join in these sessions and gift King some of Aunt Cass' food, which the Hyuponian finds delicious.
  • Being such close friends with Klonoa, King of Sorrow harbors the illest will towards the Dream Traveler's enemies and has sworn to subject them to the worst sort of sorrow should any of them harm Klonoa. The top of King's shitlist in this regard being Joka, for dealing a devastating emotional blow to Klonoa by murdering his grandpa and overall being an active menace to him.
    • For being the reason Joka got into the Pantheon to begin with, and one of Klonoa's more vile enemies in the Pantheon, King of Sorrow declared that he will join any fight against Nightmare and make him suffer as much as the victims of his nightmares. Nightmare scoffed at King of Sorrow's threat, claiming that he lacks the ability to feel any sorrow. This only prompted King of Sorrow to start honing his power to test Nightmare's claim.
  • Being an enemy of Klonoa and ally of Joka is enough for King of Sorrow to dislike Saya, but learning of her goal to merge all worlds to create unbridled chaos makes him detest the werefox as it reminds King of his use of chaos to force Lunatea to remember sorrow. The chaos King unleashed caused massive damage to Lunatea, if not threatened to destroy it outright, and he only committed it out of desperation and insanity-induced hatred for Lunatea, which he now feels shame for. That Saya would merge all worlds in order to inflict such a thing unto them, for what can only appear to be for shits and giggles fills the King of Sorrow with great rage.
  • The closest King of Sorrow came to relapsing to his villainous behavior was when he first met Stan Smith, having heard about the CIA agent previously learning that crying is a good thing, and to not bottle up his emotions overall, and the Hyuponian wanted to thank the man for his acceptance of sorrow. But Stan ended up responding with complete disbelief that he of all men would ever be okay with crying, much to King's confusion. The CIA agent then immediately followed that up with a tangent about how sadness is something to be buried and forgotten like all other "useless emotions", wishing that sorrow as a concept never existed. Needless to say, King of Sorrow felt tricked in the worst way and was so hurt by Stan's words about sorrow that he immediately entered Shell Mode and attempted to kill the man until Leorina, Tat, Klonoa, his Heralds, and a few nearby deities intervened. King of Sorrow was then informed that Stan always forgets whatever lesson he learned previously, as per his assigned trope, and hence would not have remembered that time he learned the necessity of crying. King calmed down from his rage and came to pity the CIA agent for being incapable of improving as a person. Though his dislike for Stan heavily outweighs the pity and King of Sorrow won't forgive the man for what he said about sorrow, especially since Stan is unapologetic about it.
  • Sonic and Tails did a Double Take on first seeing King of Sorrow as he strongly resembles Kitsunami "Kit" the Fennec from their IDW universe, and thought at that moment the blue fox had ascended without Surge somehow. King of Sorrow also initially thought Tails to be related to Klonoa on account of their similar faces. After clearing up this confusion and getting to properly know each other, Sonic and Tails offered their friendship to King of Sorrow, feeling sympathy for his lonely past and deciding he could use more friends. King accepted their offer, of course, and the hedgehog and fox make an effort to have King of Sorrow come along with them in any adventures across the Pantheon so he'd not just stand in his temple all the time.
    • There was a brief moment of tension between King and Sonic when the former learned that "tears" are among Sonic's dislikes, leading King of Sorrow to believe that Sonic rejects sorrow. Thankfully, before this could damage their friendship, Sonic explained that he has no issue with sadness or crying, bringing up how he even wished for a mountain of handkerchiefs for his sad genie friend, Shahra, so she could cry as much as she needed. Sonic then clarified that his dislike of tears isn't for the tears themselves but rather the reason for the tears; someone being subjected to pain or otherwise suffering injustice, which the hedgehog cannot stand. King apologized for his misunderstanding and agreed wholeheartedly with Sonic's viewpoint, recalling the bullying Lolo endured from the other priestesses before the events of Lunatea's Veil.
  • King of Sorrow took up an interest in baseball after Klonoa invited him to a game in the House of Sports one day. Deities who observed King out on the field found him to be adorable in his baseball outfit, even with the unsettling red eyes. King can only respond to such comments with a bashful blush.
  • "Why... Why do you... Hate sorrow? Can't you... Can't you accept sorrow at all...? Is there no place for me, in this world?!"

Joka, God of Circus Synths (Joker)

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Beast Joka 
  • Potential House: Musical Genres
  • Thumbs: 4 (Crimson Shark, Necromancer10, lawliet-saw-whet, Excessive-Menace)
  • Lesser God; Greater God as Beast Joka
  • Symbol: His Face
  • Theme Song: Joker Mood. Facade & Blade in combat. Joker's Move and No Jokes Around when he gets serious.
  • Alignment: Chaotic Evil
  • Portfolio: Villainous Harlequin / Monster Clown, Clown associated with electronic music, Professional Butt-Kisser, The Dragon, Clowns that can do magic, Comical Lackey to Vile Villains, Giggling Villain, Weak and comical villain who can become a serious threat, Floating Limbs, More Teeth than the Osmond Family, Klonoa's most personal and recurring enemy despite never being the main villain, Fluent in Phantomilian, Killed Klonoa's grandpa
  • Domains: Electronic Music, Clowns, Harlequins, Nightmares, Lackeys
  • Heralds: Garlen and Janga
  • High Priest: Doopliss
  • Followers: Camime, Motley Bossblob, Jackle, and Pompy
  • Allies: Nightmare, Dimentio, Wizeman, Saya, Clown/The Violator, Kefka Palazzo, Joker (Pretty Cure), Marx, Vex (LittleBigPlanet), Every villain deity involved in Namco × Capcom, Dr. Eggman, Katz, Scar, Lord Shen, Voldemort, Sabor, Piranha Plants, Flowey the Flower (or so he thinks), Evil night deities
  • Arch-Enemy: Klonoa
  • Enemies: King of Sorrow, NiGHTS, Ysera, Kirby, Reiji Arisu and Xiaomu, Every other heroic deity involved in Namco × Capcom, Count Bleck, Simba, Mufasa, Rayman, Ronald McDonald, Cagney Carnation, Poison Ivy
  • One-Sided Relationship: Frollo (Joka likes Frollo, Frollo doesn't like Joka)
  • Pities: Harley Quinn
  • Wary of: The Joker
  • Fears: The Batman Who Laughs
  • Banned from: The House of Commerce
  • A nightmare creature from the dream world of Phantomile, Joka was the loyal lackey of Ghadius, the King of Darkness who wanted to destroy Phantomile for rejecting nightmares in favor of good dreams. When Klonoa and Huepow began meddling in Ghadius' scheme, Joka was tasked with eliminating the two children but found himself constantly getting thwarted by the boys. When Joka's failures earned him Ghadius' disappointment, the nightmare clown stopped fooling around and became a serious threat to Klonoa and Huepow, starting with killing Klonoa's grandfather to steal the Moon Pendant for Ghadius and then fighting the two himself in a climactic battle that would end in Joka's demise. At least in Phantomile, as the clown would appear alive and well in other dream worlds and continue to menace Klonoa one way or another. And now Joka has made it into the Pantheon, eager to cause more trouble for the Dream Traveler and his allies.
  • Joka was ascended into the Pantheon by Nightmare, who wanted to spite Klonoa after the Dream Traveler fought him one too many times. While summoning Joka to the Pantheon was a trivial matter for Nightmare, he had to figure out a trope for the clown to become a deity and be kept within the Pantheon. With all the big tropes for Joka taken, Nightmare was about to give up on this endeavor until Ghadius, serving Nightmare as his High Priest, recalled a peculiar kind of music that would always accompany Joka. Nightmare took a listen to all of Joka's themes and identified the music as electronic, which sparked a eureka for Nightmare as he realized that, as a clown heavily associated with electronic music, Joka was the perfect fit for the then-unoccupied trope of Circus Synths and immediately claimed the trope for the clown fiend. Joka laughed with glee as he was deified and bowed to Nightmare with utmost gratitude, swearing absolute loyalty to the Emporer of Darkness.
    • Indeed, the very first thing Nightmare noticed about Joka (besides the techno music that indeed accompanied him) is how obsequious the clown is, thinking he ought to be the God of Brown-Nosers instead. Ghadius always figured that Joka just recognizes greater power when he sees it and knows to be obedient to it. Joka doesn't confirm or deny Ghadius' theory, nor the theories of others, and simply states that his loyalty is completely sincere and he'll happily serve any evildoer in need of a lackey. Of course, as loyal as he is to Nightmare and other villains within the Pantheon, Joka is only truly devoted to Ghadius and is secretly working to get his beloved master ascended. The King of Darkness is thoroughly pleased with his lackey's efforts and patiently waits to be granted godhood.
  • Joka confounds many a deity when it comes to his competence as for the most part Joka is an utter buffoon who's more an annoyance than a threat, not unlike Jesse, James, and Meowth of Team Rocket; doing utterly baffling things like shouting out the weakness of the monsters he sends at Klonoa. But after suffering enough defeats, especially if they land him in hot water with his superior, Joka will stop fooling around and become a genuine threat: personally spreading plagues, attacking with lethal force, and becoming shockingly cunning. Some deities had come to believe that Joka's foolish incompetence is just a facade to lower the guard of his enemies, though Joka's response to that speculation suggests otherwise.
    • Deities are especially warned to avoid Joka at night or during an eclipse, as the clown fiend is able to draw power from the darkness to transform into a monstrous form aptly named "Beast Joka", which makes him a great deal stronger and faster as well as highly durable. Those who encounter Joka in his beast form are advised to avoid his attacks and wait out the night or force the daylight if it can be helped, forcing Joka back into his much weaker default form. Because of this, Joka maintains a tight alliance with evil deities associated with the night and vows to destroy all deities of the day.
      • From the "Klonoa Heroes universe", Joka had another powerful transformation in the form "Flower Joka", a floating serpentine beast which ironically attacks by shooting fireballs. That naturally attracted the attention of the foremost flower deities, Piranha Plants, Flowey, Cagney Carnation, and Poison Ivy. Though of the four, only the Piranha Plants and Flowey are allied to Joka as both Cagney Carnation and Ivy are repulsed by Flower Joka's use of flame, and additionally for the latter Joka reminds her too much of the Joker. The Piranha Plants, being fire-spitting plants themselves who readily work with villains in their native world, have no problem siding with Joka while Flowey is every bit of an evil Jerkass like Joka. Though in truth, Joka is just one of many evil deities Flowey is spying on for the side of Good, and otherwise despises the obsequious clown fiend.
  • Once offered the choice, Joka was initially going to choose the monsters he summoned to fight Klonoa and Huepow: Rongo Longo, Gelg Bolm, and Baladium, as his Heralds. But then Joka recalled the allies of his "Heroes incarnation", Janga and Garlen, and decided to have them as his Heralds instead, as they're a great deal more competent than those pathetic monsters while also having actual personalities. Neither of the two are happy to be the "second-in-command" to Joka, who prides himself on being the most loyal lackey (and indeed served as their lackey in their home universe), but Janga and Garlen are thankful to be given a second chance at life in the Pantheon and are eager to cause trouble alongside Joka.
    • Because of the many similarities between him and Garlen, Joka struck up an alliance with Dr. Eggman: offering to assist Eggman in his plans and attempt to eliminate the doctor's many enemies. Eggman is a tad wary of Joka, thinking that nobody could be that obsequious, but did accept Joka's offer and lent the harlequin his own custom Egg Mobile, which Eggman was surprised to learn Joka is experienced with piloting as it resembles a flying machine he used back in Phantomile. Garlen and Eggman also tend to work together, sharing technology and insight, though their egos frequently clash, with Eggman most often proving himself the better to Garlen.
    • Similarly, Joka allied with Katz under the presumption that he and Janga would get along. Which proved correct as Katz and Janga admire each other's cruelty and methods of killing, with Katz becoming inspired to create his own poison-laced Wolverine Claws. Janga also relates with Katz's hatred for dogs, being the Arch-Enemy to the canid Guntz who is currently one of Klonoa's Heralds. The two evil cats frequently get together to devise schemes to eliminate their foes, which Joka will be more than happy to get involved in.
  • Joka and Janga were just scouting around the Pantheon for some havoc when they spotted Saya, whom they recognized from the time they worked with her and greeted the villainous werefox like an old friend. Saya was surprised to see Joka and Janga again, having not even heard from them since that first world-merging attempt, but was nonetheless happy to see old allies whom she can count on to help her out; recalling what great help the clown and cat were. Since then, whenever Saya needs something accomplished for a plan, Joka and Janga are sure to get involved.
    • Reiji and Xiaomu were not pleased in the least of Joka and Janga's renewed alliance with Saya, remembering what a pain the clown fiend in particular was, and both as well as every other heroic deity involved in that first world-merge event were quick to relearn their strategies to combat Joka and Janga so as to not get caught off guard by those two again. Seeing this coming, Joka was quick to get reacquainted with his villainous cohorts from that whole shindig and learn from them whatever new moves and strategies those heroes came up with while he was absent.
  • Joka was ecstatic with how many other evil clowns and harlequins there were in the Pantheon and was quick to ally with as many as he could find. Of them all, Joka gets along the best with Dimentio (whom he was a Follower to) and is one of the few sincere allies for the Master of Dimensions; having absolutely no issue with Dimentio's psychopathy and grand plan. Dimentio is nothing short of delighted by Joka's complete loyalty and considers him a reliable ally to call on for his endeavors. And just to sweeten the deal and make Joka even more effective, Dimentio has been teaching Joka some of his magic. Joka also became one of very few clowns to be considered an ally to The Violator, also known as Clown, since he's a nightmare creature rather than a human (nightmares essentially being the demons of dreams) and the two having quite a bit in common: being the loyal lackeys to powerful evil entities who started off as complete jokes only to become much more dangerous over time, and would end up the most enduring enemy to their universe's respective heroes.
    • Much to Joka's surprise, while he was seeking out clown allies, he would be approached for an alliance by Kefka Palazzo and Joker of the Pretty Cure universe, who refers to himself as "Agent of Bad End". The two mad clowns of magic had looked into Joka's background the moment they heard of his ascension and found him to be a very promising partner, what with his willingness to work with would-be world destroyers and being a devoted lackey without any ulterior motives. And indeed, Joka was more than happy to partner with Kefka and Agent of Bad End; viewing Kefka as similar to Ghadius but much more colorful and humorous, and relating with Agent on being depraved second-in-commands to a world-destroying evil only to step up as the most frequent menace to their universe's heroes. The Pantheon shudders at what these three psychotic magic clowns will do...
    • It didn't take long at all for Joka to find the Joker of the DC universe, given his infamy. And for once, Joka found himself being hesitant to ally with that mad clown as the Joker is just too unpredictable for him to consider worth working for. Joka was also quick to learn from other deities that the Joker is generally a terrible deity to work for, with Harley Quinn's tenure under the Clown Prince of Crime being commonly cited. Joka felt pity for Harley as he could see that she is an incredibly competent underling who was more than devoted to the Joker, yet gets treated like shit by him most of the time. Joka would've reached out to Harley Quinn for a partnership to make up for her abuse, but Harley has a tendency to act as a "hero" whenever she's not working with the Joker, and Joka has absolutely no interest in hero work. Joker for his part does not appreciate there being yet another "Joker" in the Pantheon, stating that replacing the "er" with an "a" is a pathetic attempt to be unique, and finds Joka's competency too inconsistent to tolerate.
      • While Joka is merely wary of the Joker, he's outright terrified by the Batman Who Laughs, who has all of the Joker's worst qualities but maximized by a lot. Joka will only really work with He Who Laughs if it's in a team-up with Kefka and the Agent of Bad End, since those two managed to befriend He Who Laughs, but otherwise Joka stays the hell away from him even in his beast form.
    • Joka soon found two other nightmare harlequins from dream worlds in Vex and Marx, whom he unsurprisingly became good friends with. Joka is particularly impressed by Vex and Marx's cunning, both tricking Sackboy and Kirby respectively into accomplishing their goals for them, and the nightmare jester was disappointed for them when their well-earned victories were snatched at the last second by those heroes. Ever the loyal help for all villainy, Joka had promised to help the two fellow nightmare harlequins win for good, which Vex and Marx greatly appreciated. Vex and Marx were also impressed with Joka themselves, praising his great competency after initial bumbling and dealing an incredible emotional blow to his foe; something the two wish they could replicate if not for Sackboy and Kirby seemingly lacking any family.
      • While not a harlequin himself, Joka took note of how all of Wizeman's minions are jesters or at least have a clown theme to their appearances. With that alongside Wizeman's resemblance to his beloved Ghadius, Joka took a liking to the Nightmare God and struck up an allegiance to him. However, Joka would come to regret this partnership as Wizeman is an exceptionally cruel entity, not even being grateful for the loyalty and hard work of his second-in-command, Reala, and threatens to destroy the Nightmaren for failures as much as his lesser creations. And indeed, Wizeman has little to no tolerance for Joka due to his mostly horrid competency and poor luck. Though Joka does manage to impress Wizeman with his brilliant cunning and the Nightmare God is in awe of Joka's beast form, which resembles the exact kind of Nightmaren he'd make. In any case, Joka and Wizeman are willing to work together despite the tension.
  • With Joka's most famous act of evil being his killing of Klonoa's grandpa, he has gained the favor of deities who are also famed for killing the family members of heroes: Scar, Sabor, Lord Shen, and Voldemort being just the first of such deities to praise the clown fiend for the cold-blooded murder. Likewise, Joka has earned the enmity of heroic deities whose family were killed by villains and deities who were the slain family, such as the case of Mufasa for the latter. Both he and Simba have threatened to maul Joka should he make any attempts on any other innocent family members, which the harlequin scoffed at; after all, he's a monster of nightmares capable of magic, and they are mundane animals. Of course, Scar was quick to inform Joka that Simba is able to fight even one of the stronger variants of the Heartless, and Mufasa could possibly do the same. Suddenly, Joka's bravado turned to fear and he gives the lions a wide berth.
    • In response to deities who despise Joka for slaying Klonoa's kin, the nightmare clown pointed out to them with the most shit-eating grin that Klonoa and "Grandpa" weren't even related to each other, the old man merely posing as the Dream Traveler's granddad as part of Huepow's masquerade. Joka would even feel that his offing of the geezer would be just punishment for that deception if it didn't imply he did something morally "good", simply delighting in finishing off an innocent old man. But of course, deities have pointed out in turn that regardless of the true nature of Grandpa's relation to Klonoa, the two loved each other like family, and Joka certainly didn't know that truth when he committed that deed.
      • Joka took an interest in Judge Claude Frollo when he heard about the man being responsible for killing Quasimodo's mother, and then attempting to drown the infant hunchback right after, which the clown fiend was impressed by. Though Frollo wants nothing to do with Joka as he does not associate with monsters, much less one that dresses like the leader of the Romani he so despises. Too bad for him, Joka won't take "no" for an answer and has taken to hanging out with Frollo, both as a "friend" and to harass him.
  • As Klonoa is his greatest enemy, Joka considers all of Klonoa's allies his enemies as well and has sworn to destroy them all. Among Klonoa's friends, Joka harbors the most animosity for King of Sorrow and NiGHTS; the former being a pitiful-looking contrast to his beloved Ghadius who had his goals granted by Klonoa despite threatening his world's destruction just like Ghadius, not to mention resembling Klonoa a great deal. And for the latter, Joka views NiGHTS as a traitor to nightmare kind, having been created to spread nightmares but rebelled to protect children from nightmares, and doing so while maintaining his jester appearance.
  • Being one of the few sincere allies to Dimentio is enough to get Joka on Count Bleck's bad side, but the fact that Joka loyally served Ghadius to destroy Phantomile and its people has made Bleck determined to take Joka down once and for all. Joka is unfazed by Bleck's threats, however, and loves to ridicule the Count for having attempted to erase all of existence just cause his girlfriend died. While acknowledging Ghadius' own Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum as extreme, the clown fiend reasoned that at least it was limited to Phantomile, and being rejected for being a nightmare and sealed away for three thousand years is a lot more understandable than losing a lover.
  • Joka found himself in Rayman's list of enemies when the Limbless Wonder came up to the clown fiend, having heard about the latest deity having floating limbs just like himself and wanting to befriend him, only to find said deity to be a nightmare monster committed to all sorts of evil. Rayman also didn't take kindly to how Joka used his own floating, gloved hands to fight, believing the clown fiend to be ripping off his own style. After Joka taunted Rayman's disappointment and then mocked him by mimicking Rayman's punching style, the Limbless Wonder attempted to literally punch Joka's red toothy grin off his face. But much to Rayman's shock, Joka managed to block the punch with his fists, which Rayman learned were as hard as iron as pain swelled up in his own fist.
  • Being yet another evil clown in the Pantheon, and a nightmare creature at that, Ronald McDonald immediately declared Joka an enemy who is giving clowns a bad name. Joka can only laugh in ridicule at the fast-food mascot, proclaiming that Ronald's desire to restore the good reputation of clowns is in vain and that he has done far more harm than even the worst of evil clowns by getting many children hooked on deep-fried garbage that would cause health problems all over his world.
  • Joka got himself permanently banned from the House of Commerce and all stores in the Pantheon when he used his magic to increase the size of his money tenfold, literally turning his bills of cash giant, thinking that they'll be accepted within the Pantheon unlike the "Beach Volleyball world". But of course, they were not. Even the deities who could tell they weren't counterfeit didn't approve of the oversized bills and kicked Joka out of their establishments. The nightmare clown declared that he would make the House of Commerce and all businesses within the Pantheon pay for this humiliation.
  • Pointless! Worthless! Useless! Hopeless!

Edited by KaoticKanine on Sep 18th 2022 at 2:46:56 PM

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#193209: Sep 18th 2022 at 11:43:37 AM

@KaoticKanine: I agree, Ace Attorney needs some more pantheon members. In that case... I might have two more suggestions for gods. (Yes, I know, I'm trying to throw out way too many ideas at once. If anybody else would like to handle writeups for these, please help a troper out! tongue)

Kristoph Gavin, God of Luxurious Prisons (in Criminal Punishment, House of Crime and Transgressions)

Reason: His prison cell currently provides the page image.

Ga'ran Sigatar Khura'in, Goddess of Insane Lawmaking (in Tainted Law, House of Law and Justice)

Reason: She is a tyrannical leader responsible for overseeing the Defence Culpability Act, a law that charges defence attorneys with the exact same crime as their client if said client is found guilty in court. In practice, this has made defence attorneys all but extinct in her kingdom, and has denied countless people the right to due process.

Edit: Surprised Complete Monster isn't in Joka's writeup. Was he disqualified as a CM?

Edit 2: Oh, it was Ghadius. Oopsie!

Edited by carduinal-cyn on Sep 18th 2022 at 11:53:32 AM

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mdalsted mdalsted from Chisago City, MN Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
mdalsted
#193210: Sep 18th 2022 at 12:00:00 PM

Question: Does Honda Tadakatsu have to be his Samurai Warriors version specifically? I've been lead to believe most — if not all — fictional depictions have him wearing his iconic helmet.

Freudian Excuse: Not one person is entirely good or evil; something will have to have happened in the past to make them what they are today.
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#193211: Sep 18th 2022 at 12:02:17 PM

[up] Don't think so, the Pantheon entry for Oda Nobunaga incorporates his appearance in Samurai Warriors and her appearance in the Nasuverse.

"I would never consider YOU a waste of personnel." — Kawarino
ShayanthanYuhanthan345 Since: Sep, 2022 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#193212: Sep 18th 2022 at 12:10:11 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] *sigh* I guess I didn't read the rules too carefully, my deepest sincere apologies.

Also, what exactly do you mean by "random characters"? Last I checked this whole fanfiction is ENTIRELY about random characters crossing over in the first place, some are not even all that well-known or popular. What exactly are you trying to get at pal? You don't have to be rude btw, like I said I am entirely new to this site, the least you could do is at least help me out. I'm thinking of what kind of gods they can be, so please calm down.

r-lock256 (Spin-off Series)
#193213: Sep 18th 2022 at 12:19:32 PM

[up] It's "random" in the sense that you just listed characters without providing a good explanation for who these characters are and why they deserve a spot in the Pantheon. It's comparable to some contributors putting up a list of characters they think works as a post and that list ends up being ignored because the contributors either don't know or don't care about those characters (it doesn't matter if said suggestions have a trope or not or if these posts happen rarely because again, there is no good explanation for why these ideas are being suggested in that post).

[down] The Pantheon is never about how popular or well-received a series or the character from a series is. It is always about how good someone fits a trope. A Good Way to Die is taken by Kaito Momota. There's also a thing called the Hype Prevention Sandbox which discourages more ideas from more recent works from being suggested until a period of time has passed and since Better Call Saul is on there, you trying to suggest Saul Goodman for the Pantheon also comes off as hype-driven (and Crimson Shark is already considering him for Ambulance Chaser and is willing to wait until much later to suggest him).

Edited by r-lock256 on Sep 18th 2022 at 12:47:45 PM

ShayanthanYuhanthan345 Since: Sep, 2022 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#193214: Sep 18th 2022 at 12:36:13 PM

[up]I don't think that that Arthur Morgan (of all characters) is random, especially when he's been hailed as the "best videogame/Rockstar protagonist of all time", I think that alone earns him a spot. As for what god...Perhaps, A Good Way to Die?

I mean, he goes out with a smile on his face when he has maximum high honor in the game. And has a very peaceful vision of a deer before ultimately passing out. I'm thinking of more...

Again, while the list may be random (Again I apologize, I simply wasn't thinking too straight), the characters that I listed are by themselves are nowhere near entirley random, and have quite a decent devoted, fan following.

Btw, have you watched Better Call Saul? Just curious...I think Jimmy Mcgill/Saul Goodman would be the perfect candidate for Ammoral Attorney. I'll make sure to elaborate why.

As for Mike, I'm not sure, but I don't think he should be forgotten about, and deserves a place here. Especially when Todd has less screentime than him.

The others I've mentioned? Same reason as above.

Edited by ShayanthanYuhanthan345 on Sep 18th 2022 at 12:38:26 PM

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#193215: Sep 18th 2022 at 12:56:15 PM

@carduinal-cyn I actually have ga'raan reserved as the representative for Kangaroo Court. But id be glad to assist finding othet pheonix wright representatives.

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#193216: Sep 18th 2022 at 12:57:10 PM

@RJ-19-CLOVIS-93


@carduinal-cyn - Nice to meet you!
  • I think Wendy Oldbag would be fun to write about as she has quite a bit of character for potencial interactions. She also has more advantage than Lord Hyness to take the claim as she is from a Visual Novel, where text's are more common, which is why there are plently of moments from her where she fast talks. Plus, I may be a bit bias which I do like Ace Attorney. I would have given thumbs but I'll wait for what other Tropes have to think about Wendy.
  • Your reasoning for Kristoph Gavin is not good but Ga'ran Sigatar Khura'in's explanation is okay, confuses me why the Gavin one is not explained better.
    • I don't personally like the "They are the image on the trope page, therefore they should be representative" reasoning. While it would be very fitting to have the image match the character with that choose title as, I thought that the reason why you need to explain why (which is from my observation anyway) is not only for other Tropers to know if you understand what the trope represents, but also to know if you understand the character enough to take the initiative of making the profile for them.

@mdalsted
Are Honda Tadakatsu have a lot of depictions with that are instantly recognatible or each of them are moderately popular in their right? Or is the Samurai Warriors the most popular one and the rest of the depictions are obsuce stuff (at least for Western audiences where the TvTropes's target audience is probably at)? If it's the former, make it like a mash-up of all of them, if it's the latter and focus on that version specifially and have the other depictions be like minor stuff. That's my opinion at least.
@ShayanthanYuhanthan345
I know there are Tropers that do and the reason why there are no Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul profiles being worked on is because it is under The Hype Prevention Sandbox
[down] You are right, I literally forgot I said that popularity of a character does not matter a few days ago and I still stand by that opinion. If you like, you can make the helmet his like signature look that recognises him to other deties.

Edited by lawliet-saw-whet on Sep 18th 2022 at 4:21:42 PM

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mdalsted mdalsted from Chisago City, MN Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
mdalsted
#193217: Sep 18th 2022 at 1:02:14 PM

[up]I don't see why popularity matters; what's important is that most depictions — if not every depiction — of Tadakatsu has his trademark helmet.

Freudian Excuse: Not one person is entirely good or evil; something will have to have happened in the past to make them what they are today.
ShayanthanYuhanthan345 Since: Sep, 2022 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#193218: Sep 18th 2022 at 1:04:03 PM

[up]Ummm...OK...? If it's not about popularity, then why are there simply some unnecessary additions, or simply characters who just....Don't seem to be all that relevant or beloved? I think that their relevance in media DOES matter. They don't need to have Star Wars Level Impact, but they at least need to have something unique within them that earns them a spot.

Are you going to respond to the rest of my post, regarding the characters I mentioned?

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#193219: Sep 18th 2022 at 1:09:01 PM

The process is simple: You asked for a character and what trope they fit best then we discuss. We try to limit them to 3 characters per post cause we had people dumping 25+ suggestions at the same time and that's not feasable for people to discuss if they are viable or not.

So you've got sliping jimmy for Amoral Attorney for example, that's cool. Now why is he a good candidate for the trope? Why is he better than Manfred von Karma who already has the trope?

That's the due process we do with suggestions. You are welcome to try but keep in mind, newer shows or franchises have a waiting period because in the past we had people shoving character from new shows where their development is not fleshed out at all and they pay for it in the long run.

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KaoticKanine from Vania of Pencils Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#193220: Sep 18th 2022 at 1:15:14 PM

@carduinal- Oooh, those I like! >:D Though I have to agree with lawliet that Kristoph needs a better reasoning. What about Gavin makes him a more significant representative of the trope than any others? Having played Apollo Justice, I can understand why he does and would give a thumbs for him (that and because I'd love for Kristoph to be in the Pantheon lol), but I don't think others would approve without a more thorough explanation ^^;

As for helping out, I can try to be of assistance if you're willing to scratch my back in return ;) I got seven profiles in my sandbox, soon to be five with King of Sorrow and Joka's ascension tomorrow unless someone gives me that last thumb for both to ascend right now, and my day job is ensuring progress goes slow if not outright halted due to decaying spirit.

ShayanthanYuhanthan345 Since: Sep, 2022 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#193221: Sep 18th 2022 at 1:32:23 PM

[up][up]Hello there, as I've mentioned before I am entirely NEW to this website.

I had no idea that the ammoral attorney trope was already taken. Again, I do humbly apologize if I have offended anyone by posting randomly without reading the rules.

Then again, we are using D&D Alignments, which while I do like and would like to have an in-depth discussion about, (I think that people take it WAY too harshly and seriously at the same time) simply just...Does not work for almost 99% of the characters used here. But that's a discussion for another time.

I do believe that there are certain characters that do deserve a place in here. I'll list at least three at a time. As you said.

Arthur Morgan at least deserves to be the god of forgotten fallen friend, as he was the closest ally to John Marston, and his story plays a BIG impact on his future and is the entire reason why he is even alive in the first place. In the first game and the epilogue of the second game, Arthur is mourned about, but almost never mentioned in the second-half of the game. By the time the first game starts, he's been long since forgotten, which I think has a lot of meaning and adds a lot of layers to the first game. NOBODY mentions Arthur in the first Red Dead. Not even a reference. While you could argue that he wasn't thought out from the time from a meta-perspective, I think we should also take the In-Universe perspective into accountability as well, as it marks the Wild West coming to an end, and everyone eventually fades away into obscurity to be forgotten about. I think that's a pretty solid explanation. I mean he's also been called the "greatest Rockstar protagonist of all time", that means something right? Again, if It's already been taken, then I humbly apologize. I'll try and think of another one.

I would also like to see Mike Ehrmantraut be here if possible. I know that Breaking Bad is on Hype hold and whatnot, but I would like to see him be put, simply because, he's just as important to the narrative as Jessie is in the show. I'd appreciate some helpful ideas, of what kind of god he could be. There's nothing wrong with asking for some help, no?

Edited by ShayanthanYuhanthan345 on Sep 18th 2022 at 1:36:56 AM

neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Mr
#193222: Sep 18th 2022 at 1:38:21 PM

This is my first attempt at making a Cacofonix dreadful Musician section. Will still be adding things

Cacofonix, God of Dreadful Musician (Assurancetourix)

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/63715099_8963.gif
  • Rank: Demigod, Lesser God after taking the Magic Potion.
  • Symbol: His Lyre.

  • Allies: Obelix, Chief Vitalstatistix (his village's Chief)

Cacofonix singing is so dreadful it makes people and animals who hear it run away in fear, his singing can also cause rainstorms to happen even inside people's homes.

Edited by neoamon on Sep 18th 2022 at 9:58:41 AM

"May your heart be your guiding key"
mdalsted mdalsted from Chisago City, MN Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Singularity
mdalsted
#193223: Sep 18th 2022 at 1:44:24 PM

[up]Can you go into detail on why Cacofonix deserves the title?

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#193224: Sep 18th 2022 at 1:45:11 PM

@ Kaotic Kanine: [tup] for Sad King and Rotund Comedian.


Re-linking my 7th Dragon profile here since it got buried. Not asking for a whole lot of convoluted interactions here, just some dragon-related characters and other stuff people can come up with.

Edited by CrownlessMimic on Sep 18th 2022 at 1:45:22 AM

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ShayanthanYuhanthan345 Since: Sep, 2022 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
#193225: Sep 18th 2022 at 1:45:43 PM

Btw, are fan-made/OC characters allowed to be here? Just curious...Not that I had any in mind.

Edited by ShayanthanYuhanthan345 on Sep 18th 2022 at 1:47:10 AM


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