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Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • The very first thing any contributor should do before working on an idea or a profile is to propose and nominate the idea on the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning, a paragraph of reasoning to justify taking a trope should be sufficient. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Attempting to work on ideas without a nomination and at least one net thumbs-up will not be accepted regardless of how much you have written already. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. For reworks in particular, nominate the idea as you would with new characters or profiles. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user, either in the Pantheon or the Sandbox sections.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters. Some real-life individuals, including content creators (fictional content created by them is still fair-game, but do not bring up the creators themselves in such cases), may be considered disqualified for profiles due to controversies that would make them concern the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment. To determine where a current creator would be disqualified:
      • Wait for at least a month after the latest significant update for a creator's controversy before any decision can be made. If a confirmation from the questioned creator (or associates) themselves occurs, then wait for a week.
      • Immediate disqualification for either a guilty sentence in a significant court case against the creator, or evidence of consistently repeated, deliberate, and/or intentionally provocative hate speech and advocacy of dehumanizing perspectives, with lesser examples warranting caution instead.
      • For creators with a clear persona of their character disclosed before any scandal, the persona can have a profile with no mentioning of their real-life information. Ambiguous existence of a persona would have to be discussed further hand for anything more decisive.
    • For obvious reasons, gods cannot be followers, high priests, or heralds. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one-week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions Expansion, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be one flavor text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like to look like Character Shilling.
    • Every troper new to the Pantheon is barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles, this means avoiding the usage of "[tup]" or "[tdown]".
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for the deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others. After all, no one is responding to their idea.
    • You can also adopt a profile or idea to work on from another contributor by messaging a request to them (preferably through private messages). Even if you get their permission, you still have to announce your adoption to the forum. Note that if the idea wasn't nominated in the first place you still have to properly nominate it.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to note in a trope example that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, correct the situation by deleting the offending text. This goes for any non-Pantheon page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Pantheon.Good And Evil Colors.
    • Do not bring things that would incite fights; hot topics and 'urgent' news are not pertinent to the Pantheon's mission. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight each other, so don't suggest things that go in that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.
    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • Please refer to Text Formatting Rules when writing a profile, since understanding how to make and edit site pages in general is a necessity for working on profiles or other Pantheon content. Additionally, if you are not experienced with English, refer to this forum page, as proper English spelling and grammar is expected.
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also, be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in another House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity at most.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part of their series' official soundtracks from the media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters' appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlight a character's behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute it to the original artist. Due to the website's dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too many bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, run the compressed image through other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikis to look for better images, as even wikis for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that make sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally an expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entirely from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well-advised not to abuse them. The only house where trope-less profiles are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
    • Do not write in self-promotion or blatant advertising. Minor references to something are fine but writing that clearly intends to advertise something will not be given toleration.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place, or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending on if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.
    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warper deities capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warper deities that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low-level Reality Warper beings capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Badass Normal citizens of the pantheon, making up for their lower status with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.
    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity: God X, God/Goddess/Deity of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on the representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral, etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here; the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignments to characters that don't have an alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case the deity would be unavailable, incapacitated, dead, or otherwise incapable of carrying out their duties. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.

    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either from their perspective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly oppose or are opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects", "On Good Terms With", and/or "Commonality Connection") in terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
      • OPTIONAL NOTE FOR CHARACTER RELATIONSHIPS: Should the list for Character relationships (IE. Allies, Enemies, etc.) become too big, categorize a certain number of characters to a specific group putting them on a sublist (One example: Luigi is from the same world as his brother Mario, hence Luigi should be fall under the Super Mario Bros sublist.)
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part, the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This is the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis of the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.
Template for Dominions profiles: Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as to where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.
Template for Treasure profiles: The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as to where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Tabs on Jun 24th 2024 at 7:51:43 AM

Evilgidgit Evilgidgit from United Kingdom Since: Oct, 2010
Evilgidgit
#176: Apr 14th 2014 at 2:59:04 PM

I always assumed the first gods in each house were in charge.tongue

By the way, I have a couple of suggestions for new Pantheon members: Syaroan Li, God of Be Unable To Spit It Out; and Eru Chitanda, Goddess of the Constantly Curious.

Look out, space ponies. I'm making gravy without the lumps!
Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
#177: Apr 14th 2014 at 3:34:27 PM

[up][up] That actually is a good idea. It'll be much easier to organize the gods and having a leader to keep an eye on everyone will help us out. I second the motion.

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
crankers Since: Mar, 2014
#178: Apr 14th 2014 at 3:48:58 PM

any other opinions on the Kid Radd idea?

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#179: Apr 14th 2014 at 4:03:32 PM

If everyone else is on board, I'll set aside some time to organize the Houses, but we should also decide which characters are in charge of each House.

HotmanX32 Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#180: Apr 14th 2014 at 5:07:03 PM

I have an incomplete idea on which gods which watch either House.

Guardians of The House of Friendship

  1. Nanoha
  2. Luffy
  3. Naruto

Guardians of the House of Love

  1. Belldandy
  2. Desire of the Endless
  3. unknown of as yet.

Guardians of The House of Combat

  1. Bruce Lee
  2. Ip Man
  3. Wong Fei Hong

Guardians of The House of Family

  1. Mufasa
  2. Piccolo
  3. Scar

That's all I have right now.

Trope Pantheon Story site
Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
#181: Apr 14th 2014 at 5:30:05 PM

The Ambiguity guards are already stated to be Lambdadelta, Guts and Mr. Freeze so you don't have to worry about that.

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#182: Apr 14th 2014 at 5:59:14 PM

Noted, and we're going with the Guardian name? Sounds okay to me.

Hmm...I'm definitely going to need help determining who should be guardians, because certain Houses have characters that are gods of tropes that are strongly associated with the theme and I'm not sure whom are worthy enough.

However, I suggest that (along with whatever they're god of) they are characters that show both leadership and willingness to take charge over a House?

krimzonflygon2 Since: Jul, 2013
#183: Apr 14th 2014 at 6:11:15 PM

After the events of Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Movie: Rebellion, the consequences in-pantheon (Great Upheaval, Pantheonic Rebellion), and the subsequent ascension of Lucifer and YHVH to the Main House, I was wondering if we could green-light Grand United Alliances for them. I mean, Cosmos and Melkor are Pure Good and Pure Evil respectively, and Lucifer and YHVH are Pure Chaos and Pure Law respectively. Considering that they too are incarnations of Character Allignments and they're now throwing their hats into the ring, I think they deserve something like that. What do you think?

HotmanX32 Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#184: Apr 14th 2014 at 6:38:04 PM

[up] Well, yes they do... I second this notion.

On that matter, you are our Megaten expert. tongue

Trope Pantheon Story site
krimzonflygon2 Since: Jul, 2013
#185: Apr 14th 2014 at 6:48:58 PM

[up] Alrighty. Well, Lucifer's the Chaos Leader, obviously, with Homura as his second-in-command. YHVH is the Law Leader with Metatron as his second. The two of them need divisions beyond the High Command: YHVH likely has a team of propagandists/brainwashing experts. Maybe Lucifer could have an organization of Homuciferian Magical Girl heretics, just to piss off 'Her Grace' even more. Any other ideas?

Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
#186: Apr 14th 2014 at 7:15:02 PM

Well for now we have a few 'main' gods that who are the guardians.

For personality, Applejack will be the main one (it states that she was the one who built it when the Mentalism house got too into backstabbing each other). The other two would be Spock and Doktor Tenma

For Magic, that would be Madoka, Sailor Moon and Sakura the three heralds of the Magical Girl Sisterhood

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#187: Apr 14th 2014 at 7:28:03 PM

Wouldn't it better to have more varying characters for the Magic House? Like you said, those three already have the Magical Girl Sisterhood.

Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
#188: Apr 14th 2014 at 7:54:31 PM

You're right. We'll have two divisions: the main guards, and the sisterhood trio themselves.

For Time and Space I say Rosalina and the Doctor shall have spaces.

Nature can have Captain Planet and Aang.

Travel has Mercury and The Flash.

For Sports, Vince McMahon plays a huge part since we have lots of Wrestler gods.

Craft would have Emmet, Autochthon and both Gygax and Arneson.

Music would have Beethoveen and Mozart, Bill & Ted and it's a toss-up between Presley or the Beatles.

Beasts will have Steve Irwin and Red XIII.

Technology would have Lain Iwakura

Gaming would have Mario (Of course!)

That's all I have for now...I'm not rushing it, right?

edited 14th Apr '14 7:57:34 PM by Camilla

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#189: Apr 14th 2014 at 7:59:21 PM

Nah, I'm writing down everyone. I'll continue on my own and bring up the topic again if there's a House I'm unsure on.

When I'm done, I'll also share what I ultimately have and we'll decide if there needs any changes or not.

edited 14th Apr '14 8:00:08 PM by NoLimit

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#190: Apr 15th 2014 at 2:34:40 PM

Speaking of Upheaval, seems we have a territory dispute between Charolette and Overlord Zenon for Knight of Cerebus.

In favor of Charolette:

1. That scene was the moment that PMMM showed its fangs. Partially mitigated by how the fan base was expecting the "fang bearing" to happen but were unsure of WHEN.

In favor of Zenon:

1. Her appearance significantly darkened a COMEDY game. The tone for the most part did not recover for the rest of the story. That and the fact that Zenon is a Walking Spoiler.

2. THAT ending i.e. the infamous "Worst Ending" where Zenon possesses Adell, then proceeds to brutally kill and EAT Adell's adopted brother and sister, audio and all that gets such wonderful comments such as expecting a comedy then all the sudden getting Higurashi. Arguably one the most shocking bad ends in gaming, especially given the tone of the series.

If we pick the later, I do have an alternate portfolio idea for Charolette that's more fitting.

Ascended Fanon in House of Narrative. Reasons for this:

1. Post Upheaval, theories about what Charolette's human form looked like were confirmed nearly 1:1.

2. The Charolette and Mami fanon got put in as well (though now its more relation between a girl and her big sister).

Also: I think Sayaka is overdue for a portfolio make over. My argument is for The Reveal (also Narrative) due to how Sayaka is a major player or witness to just about every major plot twist and shocking reveal in PMMM.

edited 15th Apr '14 2:53:17 PM by magnum12

krimzonflygon2 Since: Jul, 2013
#191: Apr 15th 2014 at 5:20:13 PM

[up] Charlotte as Goddess of Ascended Fanon sounds good, and then Zenon could be Goddess of Knights of Cerebus, by virtue of, as you said, darkening a straight-up comedy series.

I'd say overhaul Char's profile and put in a LOT more having to do with Nagisa. If there is a second season, I'd be very surprised if she wasn't a main character: she's alive and shown to be close to Mami in Homu's new world.

On a different note, I'm starting to pull together the Grand United Alliance of Law and Grand United Alliance of Chaos. If anyone has any ideas for it, I'd love to hear them.

edited 15th Apr '14 5:21:52 PM by krimzonflygon2

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#192: Apr 15th 2014 at 6:39:38 PM

In that case, Charolette's alignment should be changed to Chaotic Evil -> Neutral Good post Upheaval. Perhaps some narrative about the Court rejecting Nagisa's application for Ascended Extra because something else was more accurate (and giving the correct forms to fill out).

As for law vs chaos, how do we do that without stepping on toes regarding characters who are Lawful Good, Lawful Evil, Chaotic Neutral, and Chaotic Evil but already GUAG and GUAE? Of course YVHV is Lawful Evil incarnate. Can he even claim a valid Blue-and-Orange Morality defense like other more legitimate B&O characters (Lambdadelta, Kroak, Deadpool, Galactus) given the sheer volume and magnitude of atrocities he's done? In terms of straight up morality, he's probably on par with people like Weil, Griffith, Frieza, and Johnan Liebart, Joker, and Bernkastel in terms of evilness/malice/cruelty.

Speaking of, Joker given how he prescribes to the concept of chaos in Dark Knight is a perfect candidate for GUAC.

edited 15th Apr '14 6:56:08 PM by magnum12

krimzonflygon2 Since: Jul, 2013
#193: Apr 15th 2014 at 7:14:33 PM

[up]We can put it as Charlotte, Bebe and Nagisa, the Triune Godhead of Ascended Fanon (as they are, for all intents and purposes, all the same person).

As for YHVH, I'd say yes: he has a legitimate claim to the BAOM defense. I think it's wrong to call him Lawful Evil incarnate as much as Pure Law, in the vein that Lucifer has been called Pure Chaos. He represents, at his core, the ultimate conclusion of 'Law': so long as they follow his order, he treats his subordinates very well. Yes, he shows no mercy to those who do not follow him, and has done horrible things to them. But at the same time, it's because he truly, sincerely believes that Law=Good. He doesn't do these horrible things for kicks: as far as he's concerned, he's the one morally in the right, and can't FATHOM why humans hate him so much. Just look at Strange Journey: sure it's forced on the human race, and that's horrible, but at the same time, he's given us world peace. Ultimately it translates out to Lawful Evil in our eyes because his morality is so far removed from ours.

If anything, he'll hate people like Joker and Johan, and I mean HATE. The two of them are agents of chaos: their entire purpose is to bust up the order that he tries so hard to enact. Same goes for Frieza and Weil: he'll see them as, at best, a couple of rabble-rousers. At worst, he'll see them as threats to his rule. In either case, they're 'disturbing the peace', as it were.

I can see YHVH's team filling up with both Lawful Evil characters like Frollo, and Lawful Good/Neutral characters who have been suckered in and let their desire for peace override their better judgement: Justice perhaps, Ishida Mitsunari, or Klaus Wulfenbach. Same with Lucifer: he's a fantastic sweet-talker, and his ultimate goal of "freedom for everyone" would resonate with SOMEONE besides the Chaotic Evil. Leman Russ's connection to Humanity would give Lucy an opening, perhaps, and Zaraki, who would find the idea of a world ruled by the strong with plenty of people to fight too good to pass up. Homura's a definite, and she's Chaotic Neutral, and V could be in there too. I mean, we got Asura, there's PLENTY of people willing to rally behind this guy.

edited 15th Apr '14 7:36:12 PM by krimzonflygon2

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#194: Apr 15th 2014 at 8:15:09 PM

Leman Russ would not join GUAC for one reason. Horus. Horus is basically the chaos lord's War Hammer 40000 counterpart. Russ would be FURIOUS at the idea of someone like that guy running around manipulating humanity into senseless savagry. Rings too close to home when in comparison to the Chaos Gods (Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh).

krimzonflygon2 Since: Jul, 2013
#195: Apr 15th 2014 at 8:33:25 PM

[up] Oh. Ah, I'm not too knowledgeable about 40K. tongue You get the idea, though. By the way, do you think the Lords of Chaos (Central Command) should have seven, one for each sin? Lucifer=Pride, Asura=Wrath, Homura=Lust...

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#196: Apr 15th 2014 at 8:56:42 PM

Soooooo, I'm trying to find good Guardians for the Faith House...

Why is it that the only good candidates are Evil (or mostly Evil) only? That's rather...unfortunate. XD

edited 15th Apr '14 8:57:47 PM by NoLimit

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#197: Apr 15th 2014 at 9:21:56 PM

I'd say its more a problem of that house being rather small more than Unfortunate Implications. I did find good candidates. Artix, The Unconquered Sun.

The problem with central command is that sin is basically the dark, evil side of thing X. Wrath is uncontrolled, destructive anger tainted with blood lust. Envy is jealousy + malice. Gluttony involves food + selfishness. You get the picture.

There's a problem with Asura joining GUAC. The Great Upheaval targeted one of Mithra's closest allies, which would make her quite upset/angry. Harming Asura's daughter physically or emotionally is a MAJOR bad idea. Asura's gonna FLIP when he finds out the Upheaval's effects on her.

edited 15th Apr '14 9:44:00 PM by magnum12

foxmccloud4387 Since: Mar, 2011
#198: Apr 15th 2014 at 10:33:37 PM

I'm not digging these new factions based on Law and Chaos, mostly because it creates rifts based on methods rather than goals. Almost no Lawful Good person will ally with an Evil Overlord, and almost no Robin Hood will work with the Joker. If we stick a flag on these really broad philosophies - YHVH and Lucifer, Dome and Helix, so on and so forth - and expect almost everyone to pick a side, the conflicts will end up seeming ridiculous.

NoLimit Since: Oct, 2009
#199: Apr 15th 2014 at 10:56:21 PM

Okay, I have the list of Guardians of each House. Let the discussion begin on who should stay/be removed/be put it.

Ambiguity: Guts, Mr. Freeze, Lambadelta

Beasts: Steve Irwin, Red XIII, Zak Saturday

Combat: Bruce Lee, Ip Man, Wong Fei Hong

Commerce: Seto Kaiba, C. Montgomery Burns, Scrooge Mc Duck

Craft: Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson, Autochthon, Emmet

Crime: Jack Sparrow, Carmen Sandiego, Professor James Moriarty

Emotion: The Seven Lantern Corps (They're the only ones that cover entire emotions)

Faith: YHVH, The Unconquered Sun, Kane

Family: I have two sets, one of Evil and one for Good: Scar, Darth Vader, Ghetsis Harmonia. Mufasa, Yu Narukami, N, Mary Poppins. I have four for Good because Mufasa is TECHNICALLY missing, according to his entry.

Food: Takeshi Kaga, Pac-Man/Kirby (I'm personally leaning toward Kirby, but whichever is good), Gordon Ramsay

Friendship: Nanoha, Monkey D. Luffy, Fluttershy

Gaming: Mario, Sonic the Hedgehog, Mr. Game & Watch

Hatred: Khorne, Griffith, Kefka Palazzo

Heroes: Cosmos, Superman/Clark Kent, Makoto Naegi. Although I kind of want Mr. Satan for shits and giggles.

Justice: Judge Joseph Dredd, Phoenix Wright, Steve Rogers/Captain America, The Judge (he's not really "in charge", just that he's just...you know, the judge)

Knowledge: The Librarian, Jupiter, Maiden of Secrets, Hermaeus Mora

Leadership: Cosmos, Melkor

Life and Death: Death of the Endless, Saturn Maiden of Endings, Deus ex Machina/Diabolus ex Machina

Love: Desire of the Endless, Flonne

Magic: For Magical Girls: Madoka Kaname, Usagi “Serena” Tsukino/Sailor Moon, Sakura Kinomoto. Magic Overall: Stephen Strange, Harry Potter, Edward Elric

Mentalism: Leto II Atreides, David Xanatos, Light Yagami Music: Mozart & Beethoven, the Beatles, Freddie Mercury

Narrative: Haruhi Suzumiya, Gen Urobuchi, J.K. Rowling

Nature: Captain Planet, Aang

Otherness: Azathoth, Zetta, the King of All Cosmos

Personal Appearance: No Guardians, because there weren't anything that encompassed the entire theme. If you want an in-universe explanation, no one is more beautiful/ugly than anyone else? XD

Personality: Applejack, Spock, Dr. Tenma

Philosophy: Aslan, Wonder Woman, Itsuki Koizumi

Power: Son Goku, Hercules, Ryu

Profession: No Guardians as well because of the same reasons...unless someone ascends that is a God(dess) of Bosses or something.

Prophecy: The Five Maidens, Aladdin, Dr. Manhattan

Royalty: Princesses Celestia & Luna, Aragorn, Princess Zelda

Shape: Luna

Sports: Vince Mc Mahon, Jim Ross

Technology: Autochthon, Lain Iwakura, Primus

Theater: William Shakespeare (LIKE YOU NEED ANYONE ELSE?!?!?!)

Time and Space: The Doctor, James T. Kirk, Rosalina

Travel: Mercury, Kino

Villains: Melkor

War: Mars, Kratos, Kamina

Weapons: Cloud Strife, Vash the Stampede, Jackie Chan

edited 15th Apr '14 11:07:02 PM by NoLimit

Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
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#200: Apr 15th 2014 at 11:01:12 PM

For the Weapons one, Link should be replaced with Jackie Chan for the fact that Jackie can use anything as a weapon (watch Jackie Chan Adventures for his epicness). But that's my suggestion. Aside from that, this actually works pretty well.

Also to magnum and krimzon,is there anything you need me to clarify for my Tales of the Alliance stories cause I'm already preparing my own army forces for my big reveal.

edited 15th Apr '14 11:02:36 PM by Camilla

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