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    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For PokĂ©mon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the PokĂ©mon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the PokĂ©mon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a PokĂ©mon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

M1gamiTensei The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps from Punished “Brainwashed” M1gami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
#189351: Jan 24th 2022 at 3:51:53 PM

why do they hate magic? They have psychers, its the same thing. The problem is Warhammer was that they just learned it which made the daemons pour out.

Pantheon server for all who click here. Freaking lost $410 and I am hunting down for a nuke to reign down.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#189352: Jan 24th 2022 at 3:55:09 PM

Psychers are constantly sacrificed in mass with only those whose power can be safely harnessed allowed, sure, magicians are ok...as long they obey, the moment any issue appears, they die.

And this is with magicians, not supernatural creatures, because even surviving benevolent deities like the Eldar deities are targetted alongside their species, plus the ban on religion meaning that any deity goes the chopped block too.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Jan 24th 2022 at 6:55:32 AM

Watch me destroying my country
GeneralGigan Godzilla from A New Empire Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Godzilla
#189353: Jan 24th 2022 at 3:58:31 PM

With all this discussion on the Order of Humanity, I’ve personally started to notice that none of the actual Imperium members are part of the Order despite the fact that the Emperor is officially off the Golden Throne.

Also, I’m now filled with the mad urge to suggest Cemetery Wind and/or Jacques Schnee so that the Order can have more henchmen, even if I have zero idea as to what trope either of them should get.

[down] That’s why it’s just an urge.

Edited by GeneralGigan on Jan 24th 2022 at 7:08:27 AM

SKREEEEEEEONK!
wootzits Since: Apr, 2010
#189354: Jan 24th 2022 at 4:04:34 PM

[up]Yeah, don't suggest deities just because you want to add to an Alliance's or whatever ranks. That's exactly the kind of thing the ongoing overhaul is meant to avoid.

Edited by wootzits on Jan 24th 2022 at 12:04:52 PM

ThomasSmith Missy Whoever-I-Am Since: Sep, 2013
Missy Whoever-I-Am
#189355: Jan 24th 2022 at 4:11:47 PM

I propose we formalize a split between TTS and 40K canon, and stop treating the latter's whitewashing of the former as canon. It is just confusing the issue. Not entirely sure how we ever arrived at the idea of treating such an obviously divergent fan work as canon.

If you build it, we will tear it down.
TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#189356: Jan 24th 2022 at 4:21:24 PM

As the person who first put a reference to TTS into Emperor's profile, I have no idea. I always felt like Warhammer 40k (and regular Warhammer) has had oddly large cult focus in the Pantheon no one has noticed, but the shift to TTS mentions feels like whomever was writing the profiles had no idea where to go with the characters, mainly with stuff like Magnus.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
Necromancer10 Buddy from Crakcarz, the Continent of Wacky Necromancers Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Buddy
#189357: Jan 24th 2022 at 4:25:41 PM

Whatever happens with the Order of Humanity, sounds like there are plenty of changes to be made regarding profiles either way.

And yes, don't make suggestions for the sake of Alliances or groups, there won't be any significant reason to do so let alone anything to "miss out" on with reworked Alliance content being demoted to what is to put it shortly, a secondary set of background events.

Beep-beep
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#189358: Jan 24th 2022 at 4:32:54 PM

Its exactly because the proposed Alliance overhauls that we're doing this, well known characters that have befriended aliens, supernatural beings or A.I.s suddenly are feeling empathy and loyalty for the guy that proposed to kill their friends?

Watch me destroying my country
M1gamiTensei The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps from Punished “Brainwashed” M1gami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
#189359: Jan 24th 2022 at 4:36:32 PM

Regarding Order of Humanity, it should be kept but make the Emperor's Imperium cut all ties to the GUAG or any person who probably DONT want to kill every alien out there. Its like the Justice League having a group of powerful super racists in their ranks, no offense to Warhammer fans.

Edited by M1gamiTensei on Jan 24th 2022 at 4:36:55 AM

Pantheon server for all who click here. Freaking lost $410 and I am hunting down for a nuke to reign down.
TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#189360: Jan 24th 2022 at 4:48:27 PM

Gonna say probably for the better, but we should probably try to avoid a situation where someone tries to Start My Own due to that.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#189361: Jan 24th 2022 at 5:31:44 PM

[up][up]Man, let me you a story of how Barry Allen didn't want Black Lightning in JL because he didn't want to be seen as tokenism.

Edited by WhirlRX on Jan 24th 2022 at 8:31:59 AM

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#189362: Jan 24th 2022 at 5:40:03 PM

If we going to downplay the Alliances (good), can we also erase YHVH from the enemy list of...every positive Abrahamic character in the Faith house?

Its really bizarre having every single heroic Christian, Jew and Muslim reject one of the most direct adaptations of their God.

I don't get why Corrupt Church characters like Frollo are in the GUAL neither, as YHVH's reaction to a Corrupt Church society was to order their destruction and send Satan to deal with their leadership because he considered the corrupt church society to be unworthy of salvation.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Jan 24th 2022 at 8:41:38 AM

Watch me destroying my country
ThomasSmith Missy Whoever-I-Am Since: Sep, 2013
Missy Whoever-I-Am
#189363: Jan 24th 2022 at 5:52:42 PM

[up] quite frankly, I think YHVH makes sense to stay on the enemies list of a lot of characters. Regardless of him being pretty closely based on the root God of the 'Abrahamic' category of religions, neither Christians, Jews or Muslims worship a god who actually acts anything like the god who, i must remind you, is in the Pantheon as a representation of God Is Evil.

If you build it, we will tear it down.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#189364: Jan 24th 2022 at 5:55:35 PM

You more of less summarized why the GUAL is so particularly screwed in first place.

Pantheons overall need retweaks and that's ok.

But the GUAL is leaded by the most famous example of God Is Evil in JRP Gs , which makes the GUAL to be less about Law and more Lawful Evil alone. No other pantheon needs a special division where the trick is that they're the Token Good Teammate that completely reject any ties to the rest.

Lucifer in SMT is easier as he runs the gamut from Anti-Villain to full hero across many universes, but YHVH only has two direct appareances as the Big Bad of two games and other roles of ambiguous directness in others.

Lawful Good characters are in really weird spots because of it, and even Lawful Neutral ones

Edited by KazuyaProta on Jan 24th 2022 at 9:02:41 AM

Watch me destroying my country
Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
#189365: Jan 24th 2022 at 6:05:04 PM

[up] Forgive me for asking but have you made any profiles of your own yet?

Time to explore the world!
HamanaHamanaHamana Dog or Oni? (Bitroper)
Dog or Oni?
#189366: Jan 24th 2022 at 6:06:15 PM

This discussion makes me want to point at one 40K rework I did way earlier back then: Asdrubael Vect in the House of Slaughter. The profile had no mentions of Grand United Alliances or other factions, and has to this day still remain a good profile. This is what I plan on the 40K reworks in the near future.

The Order of Humanity and other groups, as I said in my point, only excarberate the scope creep problem, creating this argument to boot.

I swear Loid, you can't draw worth shit!
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#189367: Jan 24th 2022 at 6:13:33 PM

[up]I made the Order of Humanity, but you seem to be a lot more in the know about Warhammer 40000 than me so go ahead with dealing with it how you see fit. I'm sorry for causing this hullabaloo

Are these two ready to go?

Thomas J. Whitmore, God of the Rousing Speech (The 42nd President of the United States Of America)

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Top: Whitmore in 1996, bottom; Whitmore in 2016.

Russell Casse, God of Washed Up Heroes Getting Back In The Game

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Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
#189368: Jan 24th 2022 at 6:14:34 PM

Still though, YHVH should be knocked down a peg. The whole SMT obsession The Pantheon has had over the years should be toned down.

[up] [tup] for both.

Edited by Bazzardreturns on Jan 24th 2022 at 6:15:17 AM

Time to explore the world!
SomeoneElse17 Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#189369: Jan 24th 2022 at 6:16:11 PM

Order of Humanity can be reworked into an Uprising featuring a bunch of Equalist/Imperium types going against a bunch of homo superior characters, with certain heroes out to make sure neither faction can capitalize on a victory in any meaningful way.

And the Emperor's general characterization can pretty much be retooled into something similar to Copy X, except with a more holy/revered motif that makes a lot of people consider it a shame that he wields his great majesty as a weapon against anyone not of his kind.

Edited by SomeoneElse17 on Jan 24th 2022 at 6:21:24 AM

HamanaHamanaHamana Dog or Oni? (Bitroper)
Dog or Oni?
#189370: Jan 24th 2022 at 6:23:00 PM

[up]Enough. I want the Imperium out of these stories. Scratch that, the entirety of 40K profiles should have never been a part of any group/faction. I want each profile to stand on their own (what my overhaul is meant to achieve) just like in the tabletop that each faction has their own standings without interference from another.

I swear Loid, you can't draw worth shit!
Necromancer10 Buddy from Crakcarz, the Continent of Wacky Necromancers Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Buddy
#189371: Jan 24th 2022 at 6:25:52 PM

[up][up][up][up] [tup] for both (Do fix red link in Russell's profile though)

Beep-beep
GeneralGigan Godzilla from A New Empire Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Godzilla
#189372: Jan 24th 2022 at 6:29:12 PM

[up][up][up] So then, would this just be a group of Super Supremacists or would it be a general group of nonhumans that hate humanity opposite to the Order? Also, what would we even call this anti-Order?

Edited by GeneralGigan on Jan 24th 2022 at 9:29:25 AM

SKREEEEEEEONK!
ThomasSmith Missy Whoever-I-Am Since: Sep, 2013
Missy Whoever-I-Am
#189373: Jan 24th 2022 at 6:38:30 PM

[up][up][up] Explain to me how you own 40K and get to decide what happens to it.

Edited by ThomasSmith on Jan 24th 2022 at 6:38:44 AM

If you build it, we will tear it down.
Excessive-Menace uwu from the Velvet Cage (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
HamanaHamanaHamana Dog or Oni? (Bitroper)
Dog or Oni?
#189375: Jan 24th 2022 at 6:42:03 PM

[up][up]Responsible for the upcoming overhaul if that is what you are asking for. I wonder what profile have you done or you just came here with no purpose other than nitpicking.

I swear Loid, you can't draw worth shit!

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