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Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#1826: Jul 15th 2014 at 9:27:02 PM

Of course why wouldn't Batman be also demoted to Intermediate God? I mean, he is the Badass Normal superhero, so making him sound he is super-powerful would be odd. Or something like that. As I have established before, these rankings are all over the place.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
thatdude Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#1827: Jul 15th 2014 at 9:37:43 PM

[up]Yeah that's reasonable.

BUT, on the subject if we demote certain Gods, such as the Joker, in the Main House should we boot them out?

Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Californicating
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
#1828: Jul 15th 2014 at 9:42:17 PM

Um what about my Jaune Arcgod? If we put himinto replace Spike, where does Spikey-Wikey go?

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
MosquitoMan Giraffe Choreographer from Over here Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Giraffe Choreographer
#1829: Jul 15th 2014 at 10:00:45 PM

Did I insinuate as Demigod being higher than Intermediate at any point?

I said demote Sigurd to Demigod, and demote Joker to Intermediate God.

I also think Joker should be removed from the Main House. I feel like he shouldn't be there for some reason. I might just be underestimating how well known and famous he is. But Joker is in the Main House and not Superman or even Batman? That seems fishy.

"AXEL ON STAAAAGE!"
magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#1830: Jul 15th 2014 at 10:28:03 PM

I thought we discussed our rankings system being based on "power+influence" with Batman being greater power due to collosal influence. Creators are at least greater due to these rules as well.

As for Trollkaiger, they would not defect to GUAC. Remember that Troll is about MALICE, not chaos. Chaos is a part of their cruel kicks. Troll is a Chaotic Evil (with some Neutral Evil exceptions) trope, not a chaos trope. Besides, that would make "Most Dangerous Troll" not make any sense.

edited 15th Jul '14 10:31:01 PM by magnum12

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#1831: Jul 15th 2014 at 10:52:51 PM

[up] To ne all honest with you, why in the first case?

edited 15th Jul '14 10:53:35 PM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#1832: Jul 15th 2014 at 11:03:14 PM

Batman as a character has been a major influence on comic books.

Then there's the laundry list of tropes that he is either the Trope Namer or Trope Codifier for.

Batman Gambit (namer), Crazy-Prepared (codifier), Bat Man Grabs A Gun (namer, direct reference to Final Crisis), Bat Man Can Breathe In Space (namer), Terror Hero (codifier), The Cowl (codifier).

Me thinks a combination of character power+influence on media+ significance of trope presided over is the best route. Let's bring up a sample scenario for this purpose.

Laharl (Noble Demon) in terms of power level is a known planet killer class demon (and he can do it pretty easily too if sufficiently angered). In terms of in series canon, Zetta is significantly stronger than he is and Valvatorez (in his Depowered state) is canonically about as strong as Zetta and Gig. In terms of influence, Disgaea is commonly credited with reviving the strategy RPG genre when it was on the brink of extinction in 2003. Noble Demon is a pretty high value trope being its a big time Anti-Villain subtype. On a side note, The Promise is even higher due to its commonality as a motive.

What ranking does Laharl get?

edited 15th Jul '14 11:12:57 PM by magnum12

thatdude Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#1833: Jul 15th 2014 at 11:14:02 PM

@Mosquito Man: Ah, my apologizes. Looking back I realized I miss read one of your previous post. My mistake.

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#1834: Jul 15th 2014 at 11:16:53 PM

Honestly, the "influence" thing just makes things really confusing. Like why is Wolverine just a Lesser God and Spider-Man is a Greater God even though they are probably the most recognizable Marvel heroes in similar fashion to Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman with DC? Why is Joker "more influence able" than Batman (PS, I feel he has too many positions)? Is Monster that influential that the two gods from there are in such high position (Okay, maybe it is)? And many more questions made by this "influence" system.

edited 15th Jul '14 11:22:56 PM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
thatdude Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#1835: Jul 15th 2014 at 11:35:40 PM

Wow, this is kinda confusing once you start thinking about it.

MosquitoMan Giraffe Choreographer from Over here Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Giraffe Choreographer
#1836: Jul 16th 2014 at 12:06:35 AM

I vote that at the very least, we demote the Joker and find a different house for him, who's with me?

"AXEL ON STAAAAGE!"
thatdude Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#1837: Jul 16th 2014 at 12:20:24 AM

As long as we mention why he was demoted. In his profile it says he became an Overdeity because of Heath Ledger's performance. We should probably say something on the lines of "Upon review the Pantheon ruled that was a silly reason to make someone an Overdeity" or something along those lines.

Also, lower Batman's rank to be the same as the Joker's.

As for a house, how about Theater? It was mentioned somewhere that he was located there before his promotion. Or perhaps Villains.

MosquitoMan Giraffe Choreographer from Over here Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Giraffe Choreographer
#1838: Jul 16th 2014 at 1:28:15 AM

As consolation for being demoted from Main House Overdeity, I think Joker could go into both houses, as long as his profile in each house references the other.

I also think that it is a silly reason to have him as a Main House Overdeity. Not knocking Ledger's performance, but come on.

So should this happen?

"AXEL ON STAAAAGE!"
FergardStratoavis Lizard Metabolism from Ye Olde Worlde (Less Newbie) Relationship Status: Cast away
Lizard Metabolism
#1839: Jul 16th 2014 at 3:13:46 AM

Alright, so here's one JP.

JP, God of Completely Improbable Vehicular Competitions(Sweet JP, James Punkhead)

  • Theme Song: "Yellow Line"
  • Demigod
  • Symbol: His TRANSAM 20000.
  • Alignment: Chaotic Good
  • Portfolio: Cool Car with some serious Nitro Boost, lots of smoking, physics-defying hair actually kept together via lots of work, Hell-Bent for Leather, Let's Drive Like Gentlemen, Old Shame of setting up races
  • Domains: Racing, Speed, Competition
  • Allies: (nothing comes to mind, help :c)
  • Rivals: other racers in the Pantheon
  • Enemies: (nothing comes to mind either :c)
  • Drove right inside the Pantheon, but not before masterfully maneuvering through one of the many scuffles between GUAG and GUAE at truly insane speeds, avoiding stray missiles, sword beams, lasers and what-have-you. Through that crazy course he didn't hit or even graze any of the combatants. The spectators deemed it necessary to point him right to the House of Travel.
  • Don't worry about the switchblade: he merely combs hair with it.
  • Has expressed a desire to perhaps replicate REDLINE race inside the Pantheon. The plan is still in the making, but current most likely candidates are Catachan Devil's realm and Order of Suetopia's territory.

Admiteddly it's not much, but I guess it works for the barebones to still expand with your help.

How do lizards fly?
GM_3826 (Not) A Game Master from Ylisse Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
(Not) A Game Master
#1840: Jul 16th 2014 at 6:29:59 AM

  • sigh*
I'm just going to get to work on demoting Sigurd and Anna somewhat. You guys can figure out the rest.

edited 16th Jul '14 6:32:33 AM by GM_3826

DonaldthePotholer from Miami's In-State Rival Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Married to the job
#1841: Jul 16th 2014 at 8:08:17 AM

HOLD IT!!! hopefully-appropriate theme

Actually, for Fictional Characters, there is a way to assign god-tiers:

The Super Weight page. There are even comparable references to Tropes on both pages:

  • Quasideities correspond to Muggle and Fragile Weight (0 or negative)
  • The page lists Demigod as "Badass Normal" which normally corresponds to Iron Weight, though Abnormal Weights would also fit here given that that's the lowest level where a person consistently has Elemental Powers (1-2)
  • Lesser Gods are generally Super Weight (3)
  • Having Low-Level Reality Warpers among their ranks, Intermediate Gods are Hyper Weight (4)
  • Greater Gods are World Weight (5)
  • Finally, Overdieties occupy the rest of the Cosmic Tier: Cosmic and Author Weights (6+)

Now, these correlations are not hard-fast. A god may shift one rank from these levels by such things as Popularity Polynomial. Events within the Pantheon can completely alter a god's Power Level, but they must have some basis in the god's canon.

Also note that creators of (sanctioned) Published Works and those Armed with Canon are Author Weight (and thus Overdieties) by default; the patrons determine legitimacy, so just penning an Original Work does not an Author Weight make. Most of us Muggles are just that.

EDIT: Just for reference, the definitions on the Super Weight page are the binding interpretation (at least in my opinion). Lists on the subpages of Super Weight might not take recent events into account. And, again, there are the exceptions I listed.

edited 16th Jul '14 8:18:17 AM by DonaldthePotholer

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#1842: Jul 16th 2014 at 8:11:59 AM

You know we do have a god ranking system base on their powers, right? Its right in the main page in the "Divine Ranking System" folder.

Also, authors are really confusing to me since what are real-life writers in a fictional universe like this? For example, ZUN, the creator of Touhou (he is a Demigod in the Pantheon, BTW), was once asked which character he would rather hang out with if he was transferred to Gensokyo. He answered Marisa, a human magician. Which makes sense: if he was in Gensokyo, he wouldn't be seen as their creator, he would be seen as another human.

edited 16th Jul '14 8:19:18 AM by TPPR10

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#1843: Jul 16th 2014 at 8:22:09 AM

the "influence" thing just makes things really confusing

Your words, not mine.

What I'm saying is that we have a relatively objective way to resolve this confusion. And that's by linking the Divine Ranking System to the Super Weight definitions. The latter is a more consistent system.

EDIT: In other words, codify the link: make the Divine Ranks dependent on the Super Weight definitions. And, again, I do allow for exceptions, but in most cases no further than one grade in either direction.

EDIT 2: And as for authors, the ones in the Pantheon are Trope Makers. We're talking about the power those tropes have, alongside the power they have in the worlds they created. I agree that in the Real World, they're definitely Muggle or Fragile Weight.note 

EDIT 3: As for authors going to live among their creations, at least one major religion has a family member of an author going down, and while Christians argue that Jesus is capable of the Cosmic Tier, the powers He did display would be classified as Hyper Weight at best, which is still just in the Super tier, albeit at the high end.

[Christ Jesus,] though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited, but emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, being born in human likeness.
Philippians 2:6-7, NSRV Standard

edited 16th Jul '14 8:52:54 AM by DonaldthePotholer

Ketchum's corollary to Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced tactic is indistinguishable from blind luck.
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#1844: Jul 16th 2014 at 10:01:37 AM

We should not forget that deity's status is determined not only by its raw power, but also by their influence over Pantheon determined by their world-wide influence.

For example, Kamina is now a Greater God. Physically he just barely skirts the line between Demigod/Lesser God, but the sheer amount of his memetic badassery elevates him much higher. Viral and Simon, also from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann are Lesser Gods themselves despite kicking way more ass in the long run, the latter particularly so. However, they only achieved such greatness with time while Kamina was perceived as anime!Chuck Norris from the get-go despite his limited screentime and is relatively well-known outside anime fanbase.

An inverse point would be Flandre Scarlet. In terms of raw power she's probably capable of matching the top dogs blow for blow, but does little in the Pantheon apart from wandering about. It's even noted in her portfolio.

My solution is this: if there's a particularly trope-spawning character around their level of influence should be noted separately. That way iconic characters like aforementioned Joker can regain their high position, at least partially.

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#1845: Jul 16th 2014 at 10:08:13 AM

So, let's demote Joker to Greater God status. Also, let's demote Tenma and Liebert to Intermediate God status. They're fairly famous in the Anime fandom, and they've done plenty within the Pantheon. But maybe they don't really deserve Overdeity status? Just repeating what other have already said.

edited 16th Jul '14 10:09:11 AM by GM_3826

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#1846: Jul 16th 2014 at 10:16:49 AM

[up][up] This is why this discussion started in the first place and how confusing it can be to have (for example) Joker, who all in accord would be at worst Lesser God is an Overdeity due of reasons. Influence shouldn't affect some one's position that much if anything. Maybe boost their rank by one, but that's about it. And it should defiantly not peg them down, like with Flandre.

edited 16th Jul '14 12:16:12 PM by TPPR10

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#1847: Jul 16th 2014 at 12:13:12 PM

[up][up]Hmm, yeah. Let's do that.

[up]Agreed.

edited 16th Jul '14 12:13:48 PM by thatdude

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#1848: Jul 16th 2014 at 12:16:31 PM

[up]Using the Super Weight page could work, but it would also mean that some details about the Super Weight page would need refining. As an example, some characters are placed in a Super Weight category without being proven to have effects of that level eg. a character allegedly being a certain Super Weight without sufficient proof of it.

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NineballCirno Since: Apr, 2013
#1849: Jul 16th 2014 at 12:23:53 PM

Adding to the above discussion regarding re-sorting divine ranks, the fact that several gods are either added or given absurd ranks due to minor actions in a series is why I wanted characters such as As Nodt and Loyd Lloyd, to give two examples, removed from the pantheon or demoted.

If you recall, I had Fiddlesticks ascend to remove As Nodt, who was given a greater god ranking for a single action yet later was completely irrelevant outside of his wham episode and was curbstomped twice.

Lloyd, on the other hand has the inappropriate rank of greater god/intermediate god for just being part of a Wham episode, not to mention that there are better known representatives of the human shifter trope.

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#1850: Jul 16th 2014 at 12:37:55 PM

The problem with the power system is that a Bad Ass Normal can never be above rank X which implies that anyone at rank X is a hopeless scenario for them, meaning that Bat Man has no chance against someone like Dark Seid (God of Evil). Which is bullocks given that Bat Man has managed to intimidate Dark Seid into submission (in one of the animated Super Man movies) at least once and in Final Crisis, outright killed Dark Seid. (by taking a gun and shooting him).

Which is ultimately why influence needs some degree of involvement in the ranking system.


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