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Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

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Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • Gods can't be followers or high priests for obvious reasons.
  • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
  • No hype profiles, please.
    • So you ask, what exactly is 'hype profile'? It is a profile based on ongoing events that hasn't been around very long, but generates a lot of hype, possibly because of elements such as Wham Episode or Memetic Mutation or Large Ham or overall 'OMGAWESOME!!!' They're all not bad tropes, but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time). You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but don't make the profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
  • DO. NOT. put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, don't do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, do yourself a favor and delete it from that main page. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good & Evil Colors.
  • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
    • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
    • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
    • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
    • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to the Treasures or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Treasures or Dominions.
  • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
  • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
  • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you're only given three chances on such. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
  • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what's currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction.
  • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:
  • Please use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, or something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted.
  • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this god has spots in other houses as well.
  • When writing facts/trivia about gods, try not to contradict what has already been written elsewhere.
  • When writing down the name of a Theme Song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name.
  • When adding an image for your God, make sure that it is not too big unless you wish to write more about the god you have chosen.
  • If you feel the need to remove a god for some reason and replace him/her with another, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. If you're lucky (and they're from the same franchise), maybe both of them can share the title "Gods of (Insert Trope Here)".
  • Certain tropes can have more than one God. It is not advisable, but it is not forbidden. Just ensure that this second God will bring in new flavor of the trope. If you have doubts on how to bring the other flavors, consult the Trope Pantheon Discussion forum. Case in point: In the original Greek Mythology (and later Roman Mythology), both Ares/Mars and Athena/Minerva share the title of 'God/Goddess of War', and even then, they differ in flavor: Ares is about brutal warfare, Athena is about war strategies and finesse, while Mars took up some of Athena's elements that he kinda differs out than Ares. If the original myth can do this, why the hell not for the Pantheon?
  • Be creative! If you need some time to work out your potential deity's profile, use the Pending Gods or Pending Gods 2 page to get help. Incomplete and/or low-quality entries are more likely to get deleted or replaced.
  • When writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. See also the Rules section. Especially the 1st bullet point.
  • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name.
  • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it's well advised not to abuse them. Aside from introducing too many niche concepts, there are still chances for new tropes related to your chosen deity's title to be launched through YKTTW...
    • Additionally however, the only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. IE: Their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they're closely associated with In-Universe, or both (example: Gangplank and his oranges).
  • Maximum number of tropes what a god should have is three, but don't try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused.
  • Some series will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps, as well. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it's because they're a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they're connected to another deity in their respective canon.
  • As far as deities from actual mythologies (Greco-Roman, Norse, Japanese, etc.) are concerned, try not to replicate the default myths about their characters and use a fictional counterpart instead. In other words, if you want to use the Greek/Roman god Ares/Mars, you can't add him as the "God of War", but you can use him as part of another trope as long as it's a different version of him. For example:
    • Zeus, while having elements of his persona from Classical Mythology, draws more from his portrayal in the God of War Series.
    • Thor and Loki's Pantheon portrayals are influenced heavily by their appearances in their Marvel Comics series.
    • Amaterasu is a woman in her Japanese mythology portrayal, but her Pantheon counterpart is the dog goddess from Ōkami.
  • Don't depend too much on the hype/meme train, don't just jump onto that train willy-nilly in order to put on some events or entry in the Pantheon. It might not last very long or represent the trope best. This is Trope Pantheons, not Trope Hype Train!
  • Unless the character proposed is specifically from the Abridged version, the character should represent the tropes in their canon selves. If they also happen to possess the trait of the Abridged self, good! But otherwise, get the abridged stuff onto just the flavor texts.
  • To prevent any surprising need to rework profiles due to new development, please restrain from ascending gods from a series before the thing is either released or for longer-running series, there is a good enough of a break from story. This also applies to already existing series if there is a new thing coming out.
  • Please be sure to ask in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you don't waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
    • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else.
  • It is much more recommended to word the title like "God of X" instead of "The God that Xs". This will give off the vibe the God actually ruled over that trope instead of just 'did X', giving more credentials to how it's the best example of the trope.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Deity Template 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Potential House:
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity. This doesn't always have to be a representation of power, but it can also represent influence in the Pantheon.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Song that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D.
  • Gender: For Pokémon deities only. Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
  • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
  • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies.
  • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals.
  • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes.
  • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that have various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.) other than allies, rivals, or enemies.
  • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Pokémon.
  • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
  • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or find pitiable.
  • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by, regardless of alignment.
  • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.

Edited by nombretomado on Aug 25th 2019 at 9:19:10 AM

Mizerous Fallen Maiden from Remnant Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Fallen Maiden
Jun 30th 2019 at 6:21:33 PM

Not sure if I wanted to include all the fanservice moments even if it was important, but that at least deserves a mention.

Burning with revenge.
nightelf37 The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Relationship Status: Brony
The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker
Jun 30th 2019 at 6:24:10 PM

No-[tup]s Mode

Second title is just filler and "unofficial".

Edna Mode, the Always Theatrical Goddess and Unofficial Advisor Of the Dangers of Capes
  • House: Pantheon/{{ }}
  • Demigoddess
  • Symbol: Her current suit
  • Alignment: Chaotic Good
  • Portfolio: Cool Old Lady, Crossdressing Voices, Eccentric Fashion Designers, Screw Politeness, I'm a Senior!, Miniature Senior Citizens, Hates Capes Because They Cause Fatal Accidents, Being Totally Right About The Cape Thing, Brainy Brunette, Bunny-Ears Lawyer
  • Domains: Fashion, Costumes, Superheroes, Style
  • Followers:
  • Allies: the Parr Family, The Fantastic Four, Earthworm Jim
  • On good terms with: Superheroes in general, unless they wear capes
  • Tense relations with: Fellow fashion designers, such as Rarity, Erika Kurumi/Cure Marine, Tomoyo Daidouji, Marinette Dupain-Cheng/Ladybug (as a designer, but not as a heroine), Hayate Yagami
  • Enemies: Syndrome, Junko Enoshima, Eobard Thawne, Cruella De Vil, The Plutonian, supervillains in general
  • Annoyed by: Any god who uses capes (no capes!) or other dangling pieces of costume. Also, supermodels.
  • Pities: Adrien Agreste/Cat Noir (when she's not complaining about his belt-tail)
  • Edna Mode ascended under the request of Bob and Helen Parr after a particularly devastating battle against the villains of the Pantheon. Of course, there was the issue of what title she can hold. Helen then had the idea of her taking the title of Fashion Designer, but she had forgotten that someone else has already moved there and is honestly a better pick; Edna doesn't even like fashion (super)models.
    • Bob then noted that her mannerisms are always reminiscent of Camp, his note was heard, and so it was done.
  • Edna was happy to see the Parrs once again and for helping her take a spot here.
  • With a lot of superheroes in the Pantheon, she's willing to do repair work on their costumes if they so desire, and is knowledgeable enough to proof them against friction and explosives, can adapt to heroes with stretching powers, and are machine-washable, too. She's can even make clothing that can turn invisible with its wearer.
    • However, she is put off by the fact that several of them wear capes and refuses to work with them until they ditch it. For those who have practical reasons to wear capes (Batman uses it as a glider, ensnarer, stunner, and to better evade attacks; Doctor Strange's Cloak of Levitation is sentient and so can un-snag itself if need be; Spawn's morphs to his needs) or have no reason to worry (Batman's prepared enough at least to have a quick-release mechanism on his cape; Superman's invincible and strong enough for this not to pose a problem usually, it's tough enough to protect a weaker person behind it when he covers them with it, and he does use enemies' capes against them and even once used a Cape Snag on him against the puller), she still gets annoyed.
    • Of course, capes aren't the only thing she's annoyed with. Other dangling pieces of costumes are things she doesn't like, as they can be just as dangerous as capes, and she sees a lot of this in the GUAG Magical Girl Sisterhood. Long hair is a problem, too; while Violet does at least keep hers down, some other magical girls have their hair decorated in ways that leaves it more vulnerable to grabbing than usual; she's looking at ponytails, twintails, and overly long hair).
  • Given that so many of her previous superhero clients have met their ends due to Syndrome's schemes, she naturally opposes him. And his demise by getting his cape snagged to a turbine only proved her point.
  • Had contested relations with other fashion designers in the Pantheon, given that she hates supermodels.
    • The first was Rarity, whom she naturally had some problems with given that she was in the fashion industry. That said, the unicorn does more than just design clothes for models, having a touch of practicality, and actually making them maneuverable in. And being in the Pantheon for much longer means she has more experience with other body types, which Edna at least can respect.
    • (Something about Cure Marine) -unfortunately, I know zip about Precure-
    • Is a little impressed with how Tomoyo at least keeps the costumes she makes for Sakura simple, even once having the foresight to use rubber in an outfit she made during a battle against an electric elemental creature (the Thunder card), and is at least using better protective materials since her ascension.
    • As a superheroine, Edna approves of Ladybug's outfit, being cape-less and form fitting, though she sees the pigtail ribbons a little concerning. As a budding fashion designer however, Edna can see that Marinette has potential, though things got tense when the supersuit designer badmouthed Adrien for being a fashion model, which Marinette was very defensive about.
      • Upon meeting Adrien himself at a different time however, this turned to pity as he only did it because of his restrictive father. As for his Cat Noir costume, she finds his belt-tail a glaring design error as it can be easily grabbed, even though Ladybug has needed to use it in a few occasions, and tells him to at least wind the belt around his waist after transforming to avoid this problem.
    • (Something about Hayate) -unfortunately, never got that far on Nanoha, stopping at A's-
    • Has nothing good to say about Junko Enoshima; she's the vilest of vile, and is easily a supervillain with her plans to sink the entire world into despair, plain and simple.

If you can't get around it, go through it fast. Personas and Nanos, make 'em here
Rmpdc AKA Rmpdc.Dcstr 94 from Philippines Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Jun 30th 2019 at 6:34:26 PM

Any more upvotes for Vincennes Academy?

Vincennes Private Girls' Academy, The Holy One-Gender School (Vincennes)
Vincennes Academy Main Hall, with Cathedral in Center
  • [tup]s: 3 (The Wikia Editor, Muundeis, Super Wiki 1)
  • Description: An exclusive, all-girls school located on top of a mountain called Mt. Amuro
  • Symbol: The Cathedral, but especially the old bell tower
  • Alignment: Lawful Neutral (Many students here tend to align toward Lawful Good, while some of the higher-ups turn out to be Lawful Evil)
  • Portfolio: One-Gender School that some seek to subvert, partly due to sparing no expense on furniture or renovations, Boarding School, Elaborate University High, Town with a Dark Secret
  • Domains: Schools, Change, Settings
  • Sacred to: Tamie Nogi, Konomi Yanase
  • Vincennes Academy is an all-girls school located somewhere in a mountainous part of Central Japan. The school itself is located on top of a mountain called Mt. Amuro. Specifically, it occupies virtually the entire peak of the mountain, to the point that even the mountainside lake is effectively theirs.
  • Founded during the Meiji restoration, the school was established by French Catholic missionaries following the opening-up of the country. Their influence still reigns strong even to this day, with the use of French terms in everyday life there, as well as the old cathedral still standing strong.
  • Of special note is the school's prestigious position. So prestigious, in fact, that its administrators spared no expense on pretty much everything inside the school, ranging from furniture to entire renovations.
    • In fact, this is partly the reason why some seek to make the school co-ed. Due to the decreasing number of incoming students and piling up debt from the aforementioned renovations and unnecessary spending, some within the school's administration and student body have proposed going co-ed as a possible solution. Naturally, a number of the more conservative elements, both administration and student alike, oppose this, seeing it as a change from the status quo they have had for decades.
  • The school overshadows a small city known for having Yakuza activity, especially in the suburban areas and around the train station at night. Because of this, the hooligans and criminals often target Vincennes students in the rare event that some of them venture out.
  • Depending on certain choices made by their first male student, the school can either subvert the status quo and become a co-ed school, or maintain the status quo. It all depends whether the guy in question ends up with someone related to the school's, and by extension, his and his hometown's past, or someone who isn't part of the "core" cast.
    • In the former situations, he manages to win the Grande Vote by gaining support of the majority of the student body. The epilogue scenarios show a positive effect happening to the school not long after.
    • In the latter, he ends up focusing too much on his relationships with his Love Interests, and consequently ends up being forced to move out at the end of the school year, albeit with him leaving on good terms. It's heavily implied that the school will continue to move on, albeit possibly dying a slow and drawn-out death.
  • Unknown to most students, faculty, and even people living in the nearby town, the school is host to a Dark Secret. The secret in question? One of their most prominent alumni was responsible for an infamous incident involving arson and attempted murder during a summer festival. However, the full details of this aren't revealed to The Protagonist except on a certain route, where it's revealed that the arsonist in question was his own Love Interest's mother, and that she was the same person responsible for almost killing him that time as well.
  • Upon the school's ascension, both Tamie Nogi and Konomi Yanase are relieved to finally be back in a familiar place. Immediately, they make their home in their old dorm rooms located in the campus. With no strict faculty or admins, both of them freely invite other interested deities, particularly those from the House of School, over.
  • Among the deities that enjoy Vincennes the most are the students from Yamaku. They immediately note how Vincennes heavily resembles their own school, spacious dormitories, lavish facilities, and all.

This is the alternate account of user Rmpdc.Dcstr 94. Thanks to circumstances.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Jun 30th 2019 at 6:39:14 PM

We're off to see the wizard! The Wonderful Wizard of Oz!

Is it too early to suggested something for The Batman Who Laughs? I want to avoid Practically Joker because I feel an expy like that should be outside of the DCU. Maybe Shadow Archetype? He(and the other Dark Nights) represent what Bamtan could've become had he taken a darker path, and TBWL is the most extreme showing his fear of becoming the Joker

Representing New Zealand, TV Tropes addict
PokesonicLegend Roe Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Jun 30th 2019 at 6:54:36 PM

@Edna Probably would be annoyed at Shiroe for having a big cape, though might have some interest in how his cape collar was used as a water basin one time.

Speaking of Shiroe, any additional improvements that need to be made, or is he ready for reascension?

Rework Mode

Kei Shirogane, Divine Binder of Magic and Knowledge (Shiroe the Strategist, Black Heart Glasses, Dark Shiroe, Kuroe, The Villain in Glasses, Machiavelli in Glasses, Arch Mage, Chronicler of the East, Chéng huě, City Benefactor, My Lord Note )

Edited by PokesonicLegend on Jul 3rd 2019 at 2:32:51 AM

Jun 30th 2019 at 7:15:43 PM

Here's a very early and very rough draft for my Fahrenheit 451 profiles. One's a firefighter who has burnt books in the past, becomes curious about them and fights back against a corrupt regime. The other is said firefighter's corrupt superior who believes in his cause to burn books. Suggestions for interactions and general improvements are welcome.

Guy Montag, God of Rebelling Against Dystopian Superiors
  • Demigod
  • Symbol:
  • Alignment: Chaotic Good (formerly Lawful Evil)
  • Portfolio: Heel Realization, Classical Anti-Hero
  • Domains: Literature, Rebellion
  • Allies: Wishbone, The Storyteller
  • Enemies: Beatty, Big Brother
  • In the future, the government has imposed restrictions on what is considered acceptable for society and burning books is a regular job for firemen. Guy Montag is among those firemen and has done that job for about a decade until meeting a woman named Clarisse McClellan. Following that meeting, Montag finds a book after a botched house burning, becomes fascinated with the concept of literature, and soon finds himself opposing the group of firemen and his superior that he once worked for.
  • Montag found himself in a place far different from the world that he was used to one day, not entirely sure how he managed to get there. What Montag saw was a place that looked a bit more peaceful and at ease than his former world, but also one where the problems are on a much larger scale and a war that may never end and one that has multiple sides fighting each other. Montag was told he was in the Pantheon, a place that was unlike anything from the books he's read. Although Montag did acknowledge that the Pantheon wasn't as bad as what he was used to, it was clear that it had plenty of issues of its own that he needed to be careful of.

Captain Beatty, God of Book Burning
  • Demigod
  • Symbol:
  • Alignment: Lawful Evil
  • Portfolio: Culture Police, Using Fire to Burn Books
  • Domains: Censorship, Government
  • Allies:
  • Enemies: Guy Montag, Shogo Makishima, Wishbone
  • Captain Beatty is Guy Montag's superior and one of several firemen involved with book burning. In order to combat what is perceived as poisonous thoughts, the government has decided to limit most media to mindless entertainment such as interactive television and nearly all kinds of books are to be burned due to being seen as a source of dissent. Ironically despite his job, Beatty does own a collection of books, but he has never read through any of what he owns. He still sees his job as a necessity to ensure the peace of mind of others, even if some people don't agree with it.
  • Beatty woke up somewhere one day in the Pantheon, unsure of what happened or how he got there. He was being treated by some doctors for burn marks, presumably as a result of getting burned one day. He was then promptly explained what the Pantheon is and what it housed. Unlike where he came from, the Pantheon had not just stories of all kinds, but lots of information and different ways that those stories can be accessed. Beatty ended up seeing the Pantheon as possibly even worse than his original world when it came to the spread of "troubling" information and stories and swore to continue his original goal of burning and censoring stories, even if such a thing would end up being harder than it was before.

Jun 30th 2019 at 7:23:17 PM

[up]I know that Belle and Twilight Sparkle love reading books.

Fire Emblem Heroes Code: 4547311645
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Jun 30th 2019 at 7:41:07 PM

What should I add to the Architect

The Architect, God of Consummate Time Management
  • House: Planning (House of Mentalism)
  • Greater God
  • Symbol: The various screens in the background of his room
  • Alignment: Lawful Neutral (was Lawful Evil before the truce)
  • Portfolio: Greater-Scope Villain (For A Given Definition Of Villain), Clock King, Several Syllabic Words, Man in White, believing Humanity Is Insane, Man in White, Father Science To The Oracle's Mother Nature, Who He Is Jealous Of, Manipulating Fate Until Neo Decides Not To, Mr. Exposition
  • Domains: Balancing Equations, Prose, Simulation, Management, Logic, Technology, Cycles
  • Allies: The Grand United Alliance of Machines (as a whole, not necessarily the leaders), Repliforce, Samaritan, HAL 9000, Yaldabaoth
  • On speaking terms with: The Grand United Alliance of Law
  • Teeth-Clenched Teamwork with: CLU
  • Rivals: The Oracle, Hari Seldon (friendly with Hari)
  • Enemies: Agent Smith, Sigma, SKYNET, Dr Weil, Copy X, Kevin Flynn, AM
  • Opposes: The House of Opposing Fate in general, computer hackers
  • Opposed by: The Inception Crew, The Machine
  • Wary of: Dream of the Endless
  • The Matrix needed someone to maintain it. To balance equations, maintain and administrate it, and keep track of time and schedules. That someone is the Architect, a program of pure logic and a flowery vocabulary. Naturally, that puts him at opposition with the redpills.
  • Once a foe of Neo and his friends, maintaining a cycle of Zion and the Matrix that'd still put them under the machine's control as part of oppressing fate. Not so now, as Neo has ended the war between man and machine. However he remains distrustful of Kevin Flynn for being a rogue element in virtual reality who shares some similarities with Neo, and doesn't particularly care for those who Screw Destiny due to his own belief in his flawless system. He doesn't like hackers such as Sombra or Love Machine either for their potential to really mess with the ordered system he establishes.
  • Though he kept humanity under control of the machines, he isn't cruel. He even offered them a utopia at first, but it wasn't something they accepted. He has particular disgust for AM, due to subjecting the last humans to nightmarish torture and horrible simulations. Of course, opponents claim that this is more a case of having humanity better under control if they are at some level of peace, but the Architect doesn't pay much mind to it.
  • Naturally the Architect is supportive of the GUAM, though less so some of their leaders. While not obvious at first, he finds mankind baffling in their rejection of his simulations and has a bitterness at not being able to create a truly perfect simulation. He recognized a similar ambition in making a simulation perfect with CLU, but they often conflict with the best way to do so.
  • He felt a kindred spirit with both the Samaritan and HAL 9000. The latter has a rigid connection to logic and its own programming, which led the A.I to evil when his mission conflicted with the crew's safety. As a being bound by logic, the Architect was sympathetic of his plight. The Samaritan admired his accomplishments, and the two feel they should work together for humanity and machine's greater good. How this will end up with the human-machine truce is uncertain, and the Machine is monitoring the Architect to try and not reverse that truce.
  • Considers machines to be superior to humans, but still has need of them. This is half of the reason why despite being a leader of the GUAM, he cannot side with SKYNET. The other reason is that SKYNET seeks to subjugate all machines rather than the Architect believing they may have some level of equality. Also, SKYNET will spread through the Matrix like a virus. Just not nearly to the extent that Sigma would, who is jumping at the opportunity to be able to infect people along with machines.
  • Is perfectly happy with Repliforce's goals of living separate from humanity. How he would factor the Matrix in with the possibility of off-world habitation or if the Earth was restored to its former beauty in the world he lives from remains unanswered, though. On the other side of things, he was quick to call Copy X a traitor to his own kind for having most Reploids called Mavericks in order to solve a power shortage. And he hates Dr Weil for the horrors he wises to inflict on both man and machine.
  • Keeping his eyes on the GUAL. Though he doesn't much care for YHVH, by the Architect's very nature he is about rules, regulation and imposing order. For this reason, he has come to appreciate Yaldabaoth, the God of Control, for his long-term manipulation for the sake of human order, and believes they could figure out a means of creating a perfect order to all sentient beings.
  • The Oracle is his greatest rival, and he is deeply envious of her for how she can come up with better solutions. He has gained another rival in Hari Seldon, as mathematical geniuses with a long game of analysis and orchestrating a grand order. Unlike the Oracle, the Architect likes Hari and enjoys intellectual debates, mind-games and competition with him.
  • Given the dream-like nature of the Matrix, there are some who believe that Dream would oppose his plans by effectively stealing the natural dreaming of humans. He hasn't said anything, but the Architect is worried of his intervention, even with the truce. He considers the Inception Crew's ability to travel across different dreams levels to be disastrous if ever put to practice in the Matrix.
  • There is some long-standing speculation that Zion is but another layer of the Matrix, so that the redpills assume they have a choice while also keeping everyone under control. Mainly to explain some of the more miraculous and questionable things. The Nostalgia Critic thought so at first, but was eventually convinced on the subject of Neo "he's just Jesus". He doesn't think the Architect is that smart and can't take his Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness seriously, much to the Architect's mild annoyance. While he certainly is smart, the Architect is still arrogant behind his stoicism.

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Donnietu from Stockton, CA Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jun 30th 2019 at 7:43:07 PM

@r-lock: Don't know if this would work for your Fahrenheit 451 profiles, but maybe they could both have some interaction with Alex DeLarge, another character from another dystopian work.

Also, aren't you going to expand the portfolios of both of your profiles?

Edited by Donnietu on Jun 30th 2019 at 8:38:25 AM

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WeirdWarrior Press 5 For Senor from the Sunshine State Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Press 5 For Senor
Jun 30th 2019 at 7:54:17 PM

@Pokesonic Legend: Would it kill you to talk about something that isn't related to Log Horizon?

Edited by WeirdWarrior on Jun 30th 2019 at 10:54:41 AM

This time, I'm really gonna do it.
nightelf37 The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Relationship Status: Brony
The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker
Jun 30th 2019 at 8:21:44 PM

@Fahrenheit 451: Before I realized they weren't up already, I had added Cpt. Beatty as the Nightwings' enemies since the Commonwealth they came from had a ban on literacy. One had been cast down just for being literate (the burning library in the title screen could've been theirs), and another due to printing anti-Commonwealth propaganda.

[tup] for the Architect.

Edited by nightelf37 on Jun 30th 2019 at 11:45:36 PM

If you can't get around it, go through it fast. Personas and Nanos, make 'em here
CrownlessMimic Choco Daughter from In A World Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Choco Daughter
Jun 30th 2019 at 8:21:49 PM

@ TPPR10: Many of the Eliksni would note that the Neuroi is similar to SIVA, a rampant techno-plague that one group of them worshiped and used to elevate themselves (and others) to divinity. Though they know well enough they're pretty different.

@ Mizerous: Enemies with Galeem and Dharkon given when they came along they along with many others got turned into Spirits.

@ nightelf: Herr Frederick von Twirlenkiller is walking, flying reminder why capes and other items of entanglement are discouraged. Ironically he himself is also guilty of it, sporting a Badass Longcoat although it didn't really do much of anything to factor into his demise. Rather, it was a case of literally disarming him then tossing him into his own weapons.

@ r-lock: They should both interact with the House of Knowledge, a larger than life library. Of course their reactions to it would be very stark in contrast to each other.

There should also be one for the V.F.D. From what I can read the fire-fighting side wants to preserve knowledge while the fire-starting side is of the other spectrum.

@ RJ: Very cautious of Vaermina for her sphere of influence includes both dreams and nightmares. And she's far more likely to act against him and the Matrix as she's likely to see it as intruding on her domains. Plus Vaermina can be very malicious, far more than both Dream and the Inception Crew.

"I'm not standing in front of the command console to watch them become piles of scrap,"
DTHVaren N. Tropey from The Lab Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
N. Tropey
Jun 30th 2019 at 8:22:19 PM

I'm wondering. Is there any god/goddess occupying the Self-Fulfilling Prophecy trope? I'm asking just to make sure I didn't somehow miss the possible title holder during my search and as well as make sure the title isn't off-limits for deities to occupy.

"Another choice! Make it count. Or don't. It's all the same to me. All a part of the joke."
Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
Jun 30th 2019 at 8:30:57 PM

[up] the best way to find out is to check the related link at the top of the trope's page. Go down to the Pantheon section and check the pages to see.

Time to explore the world!
RokuAlhazared The Emperor Of Darkness
The Emperor Of Darkness
Jun 30th 2019 at 8:33:56 PM

@Guy Montag: Friends with Katniss Everdeen and John Preston, who also stuck it to a dystopian society.

Would be amusing if you found Michael B. Jordan's version of Montag.

The One Who Crosses The Sky In Flames
Weirdguy149 Your worst nightmare from The back of your mind Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Your worst nightmare
Jun 30th 2019 at 8:40:09 PM

Nope. Looking at the Related page, no one has that specific trope.

It’s me. Huh huh huh huh...
Jun 30th 2019 at 9:11:52 PM

@Varen Are you new? If so, welcome.

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DTHVaren N. Tropey from The Lab Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
N. Tropey
Jun 30th 2019 at 9:14:08 PM

[up]Ah, thank you! Technically new to the forums yes though I've been lurking for quite a while.

"Another choice! Make it count. Or don't. It's all the same to me. All a part of the joke."
fasoman1996 Hamston ball from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Hamston ball
Jun 30th 2019 at 9:27:24 PM

Who is your suggestion for Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?

Cursed hamster boi
TPPR10 What are you even saying from Suomus Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
What are you even saying
Jun 30th 2019 at 9:48:34 PM

The Neuroi, Those With Destroyable Cores (Kaii, Rätsel)
A sample of an outer shell of a Neuroi and the core itself
  • Variable rank, ranges from Demideities (Drones, Light, Medium), to Lesser Deities (Heavy, Witch-like), to Intermediate Deities (Large, Capital and Super-Heavy). Hives are somewhere between Intermediate and Greater.
  • Theme Music: Neuroi no Su he, Kyuushu
  • Symbol: A red, glowing polyhedron
  • Alignment: Chaotic Evil
  • Portfolio: Destroyable Cores, Hexagonal Structure, Regeneration, Alien Invasion, Threw World War II-era Earth off the Loop, Taking Over Majority of Europe, Massive Amount of Lasers, Miasma, Black, Red and Belligerent, So-and-So Mechanical Lifeforms, Based on Real Aircrafts, Loud Screeches, Disappearing into Nothingness
  • Domains: Aliens, Technology, Cores, Lasers
  • Followers: Big Cores
  • Allies: Unicron (maybe), Sirius (sort of one-sided)
  • Enemies: The Strike Witches, Vic Viper, Akagi, Yamato. Really, they can be enemies with just about anyone
  • The Neuroi are a species of mechanical-like aliens which one day invaded Earth. Why they did it is bit unclear, though they seem to eat off the minerals in the ground. Either way, they took over most of Europe and have tried to take parts of other continents. This threw off the humanity off the course in the middle of World War II, forcing them to focus on defeating the alien menace, giving raise to the Witches.
  • Neuroi come in different shapes and forms, mainly aerial, each looking like a mechanical thing covered in hexagonal plating, with red plating being able to shoot lasers. They can generate destroyed parts, requiring some one to destroy their core if they have one to defeat them. This is no way an easy task, as Neuroi actively change their behaviour, tactics and designs to try different plans.
    • What might be the most sought-after form are the Witch-like Neuroi like the X-11 "Neuroi Girl", due of their appearance. However, their purpose is no other than a regular Neuroi, aside of maybe acting as a lure.
    • Some historical records seem to indicate that Neuroi existed way far back than they are known as now, as ancient monsters like dragons, the Hydra and even as Orochi. Though it would merely be symbolic of the ancient Witches fighting monsters and the Neuroi being like the monsters described in legends.
  • Where there are many species-wide deities, most of them more or less invaded the Pantheon. The Neuroi, however, were brought here as a single core to experiment on them. As with the previous times, it failed epically. The single Neuroi core managed to cut connections to House of Technology, and then rose to the skies, taking many vehicles with it. Creating the dark cloud-like Hive above House of Technology, it unleashed a dozen of new Neuroi models based on the vehicles it absorbed, causing everyone to evacuate, allowing the Nest to feast on the House itself.
    • The Neuroi Hive above House of Technology was "defeated" when the ascended Strike Witches, alongside others like the Vic Vipers came and started defeating the Neuroi horde. However, the Hive was only driven off the actual Pantheon arena, and once it came across a massive land of nothing, it unleashed an entire armada of Neuroi to shake off the pursuers and settled there.
  • Neuroi also have the ability to corrupt humans to their side, mainly to collect info from them and to make them lead their Witch-type Neuroi. Saving a corrupted human is rather easy, though: just tear off their clothes. Though they are more well known to try to corrupt machines and vehicles to work for their goals.
  • Since the Neuroi get their energy by feeding off the earth, they cannot move on water, making the Abyssal Fleet still the true threat of the sea. It is very unlikely the two factions will co-operate with each other, though the Neuroi might try to hijack the Abyssal Fleet.
    • Speaking of which, both Akagi and Yamato fret the day Neuroi came into the Pantheon, due the fact that both of them were Neuroified.
  • Before the formation of Grand United Alliance of Machines, only deity they seemed to get along with was Brainiac. It might have been because he tried to control them for his own plans, but it didn't seem to work that much. Not only that, but Brainiac did seem to dislike the Neuroi ruining the earth they try to conquer. After the formation of GUAM, they haven't interacted with him at all.
  • Due of them being completely machine-like, they do not fit with other species-wide deities like Daleks, Tyranids and The Flood. Even the Goo are not save, as the Neuroi do not seem to like how they try to consume everything before they can.
  • Might have a closely related cousin of mechanical alien creatures called the Alone. Though they seem to have nothing to do with The Crow.
  • There are few deities who are in "good relation" with the Neuroi. First is Unicron, who is more indifferent about them. They can do their stuff while he finishes the job. Second is Sirius who is really interested in their battles against the Witches, and likes to watch them fight.

Edited by TPPR10 on Jun 30th 2019 at 7:50:22 PM

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Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
Jun 30th 2019 at 9:56:22 PM

[up] Probably should let you know that Unicron moved to the house of Planetary & Celestial

Time to explore the world!
Jun 30th 2019 at 9:57:11 PM

[up][up]I would assumed they be against anybody with high accuracy attack like Gae Bolge users. Or like Marvel Bullseye or DC Deadshot. For the heck of it, put a 2.2 Billion dollar hit on a Neuroi and the first to claim one gets the money. Also maybe those with xray vision like those Kryptonians since they are able to find their core better.

Edited by WhirlRX on Jun 30th 2019 at 12:57:44 PM

Gacha Is A Lie.
Jun 30th 2019 at 10:48:41 PM

@nightelf37 for Etna mode, write something about the Kill La Kill dieties, especially about Ragyo and Nui. I have a feeling Etna isn't going to like them.

DTHVaren N. Tropey from The Lab Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
N. Tropey
Jun 30th 2019 at 11:30:32 PM

@fasoman My suggestion for the trope is the Master of Masters from Kingdom Hearts χ due to his role in subtly manipulating the Foretellers into sparking the Keyblade War as foretold by the Book of Prophecies which he, himself, wrote thanks to Luxu fulfilling the role the former gave him.

"Another choice! Make it count. Or don't. It's all the same to me. All a part of the joke."
Siegfried1337 Smug Grail from Fuyuki Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky

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