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Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:

    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

JD2K Since: Oct, 2011
#125726: Dec 14th 2018 at 7:35:23 PM

I think I had The Hat Makes the Man reserved....

[down] Yes, I did. I repeated it once or twice...but that was possibly a year or so ago, so of course people forget....

Now apparently I will need to repeat all my reserved entries from now on aside from my "still alive so please don't divvy up my reserved entries as if I'm carrion" messages....

Edited by JD2K on Dec 14th 2018 at 7:52:39 AM

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#125727: Dec 14th 2018 at 7:48:49 PM

[up] The trope is not listed in your sandbox and i have no memory of you ever requesting it.

Uni cat
WeirdWarrior Press 5 For Senor from the Sunshine State Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Press 5 For Senor
#125728: Dec 14th 2018 at 7:51:26 PM

On a side note, who exactly gave [tup]'s to Doctor Fate?

This time, I'm really gonna do it.
M1gamiTensei The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps from Punished “Brainwashed” M1gami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
#125729: Dec 14th 2018 at 8:06:01 PM

[nja] Hold on, never mind, I won’t do Kenny

Edited by M1gamiTensei on Dec 15th 2018 at 12:21:23 AM

Pantheon server for all who click here. Freaking lost $410 and I am hunting down for a nuke to reign down.
yugi195 Chronicle Magician from Spirit World Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Chronicle Magician
#125730: Dec 14th 2018 at 8:06:56 PM

[up][up] nightelf37 gave Fate one. I don't know why I thought he had two. My bad.

Edited by yugi195 on Dec 14th 2018 at 8:07:15 AM

In another few hours, the sun will rise.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#125731: Dec 14th 2018 at 8:07:31 PM

Anyone interested in these DC ideas?

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#125732: Dec 14th 2018 at 8:08:29 PM

@JD 2 K I think Doctor Fate is a superior pick to Neyla.

Sure, you claimed it first but if a better candidate does show up later, we tend to favor that one over the original suggestion.

Uni cat
yugi195 Chronicle Magician from Spirit World Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Chronicle Magician
#125733: Dec 14th 2018 at 8:09:54 PM

[up][up] Why use the DC Pied Piper when you could use the actual Pied Piper?

Edited by yugi195 on Dec 14th 2018 at 8:10:27 AM

In another few hours, the sun will rise.
JD2K Since: Oct, 2011
#125734: Dec 14th 2018 at 8:11:50 PM

Can't believe one of the entries I reserved was given away...It's my fault for not always posting what I reserved over and over again....And before I get blamed that I shouldnt reserve what I would work on until I finally do so years later, do you even THINK I want to do that?! I am under an eternal creative block due to the stress of work, family and life in general. But at least I;m not irresponsible enough to throw in the damn towel! I just needed time to refresh my creativity because I don't like writing half-assed entries that will end up being taken down due to "shoehorning bad work". But now....now...this has me seriously demotivated. Even more than my damn job and family life....

In fact, you can have Relationship Values, First Girl Wins, Walking Swimsuit Scene, Riches to Rags, and Odd Job Gods. No use having those if the entry I had for The Hat Makes the Man got taken from me.

But, please, no one take More Friends, More Benefits, Belly Mouth, Muscle Beach Bum, Abandoned Mascot and The Mob Boss Is Scarier from me. In fact, I'll repeat these everytime I message here to make sure they don't get taken...

Edited by JD2K on Dec 14th 2018 at 8:22:05 AM

nightelf37 The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: They grew on me like a tumor...
The Scrappy and Butt-Monkey of the Pantheon Thread
#125735: Dec 14th 2018 at 8:12:51 PM

GUAE Groups

I think I'll add the Homunculi in this group. (minus Greed, of course).

After my rework of Ladybug and Cat Noir, I got this idea in mind.

Who should I pick?

Feedback Mode

Single profile time.

Nier, Divine Herald of Save Data Deletion (Papa/Brother Nier, Replicant Nier, Twattycake, Defender of the Innocent)

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/nier_nier_artwork.png
Left: Father Nier, Right: Brother Nier
  • Lesser God
  • Symbol: A Lunar Tear flower
  • Alignment: Chaotic Good, or at least they try to be
  • Theme Song: Yonah
  • Portfolio: Will Kill Any Shade Just For Existing, Dark-based Magic, Multi-Melee Master, Chronic Hero Syndrome, Declaration of Protection, Destructive Saviour, Empowered Badass Normal, Goes Without A Plan And Makes One Up On The Spot, Those Who Care Not For The Consequences Of Their Actions, Held Back By Nothing (Except Sidequests), Born At September 11, Bad Powers, Good People, Super Drowning Skills, Actions Led To The Extinction Of The Human Race, Retconned From Existence
  • Domain: War, Destruction, Rage, Good
  • Herald: Grimoire Weiss
  • High Priest: The Fallen Child in the Genocide Path
  • Allies:
    • Father Nier: Guts
    • Brother Nier:
  • Enemies: Shades, any form of The Heartless (like Mr. Scratch), and any of its leaders (like Master Xehanort)
  • Opposes: Caim and Angelus (for screwing with his world), 9S
  • Opposed by: Geralt of Rivia
  • Conflicting Opinion: Yu Narukami, Ryotaro Dojima, 2B
  • In video games, the best thing about them is that you can do whatever you want. Take Your Time, get Sidetracked by the Gold Saucer, level grind, and indulge in Video Game Cruelty Potential (and wait out your punishment before doing it all over again). After all, it's nothing a little Save Scumming can't fix, right? And then there are the games that threaten to take that away, too.
    • Nier himself isn't someone who enforces this, but rather is a "victim" of this, yet his end was so It Was His Sled iconic that the Court decided to ascend Nier for Deletion as Punishment. But how do you bring back someone who was Ret-Gone? Well, that's because right before the deletion, they turned that "deletion" into a "file move", thus still removing Nier and everything about him from his world as they brought his "data" into the Pantheon and reconstructed him.
    • That said, the deities at work on bringing Nier got things mixed up so that they ended up bringing in two Niers; one is a young adult, and one is middle-aged. As it was too late to rectify this issue, and because the retrieval teams technically both brought the "correct" Nier, it was decided that they both stay. After filling them in on what the Pantheon is all about.
      • That said, by Word of God, the younger Nier is the "canonical" one because he'd be the type to sacrifice himself to save Kainé, the woman he loves, whereas the older Nier would be more likely to Mercy Kill her so he can be there for Yonah. But their ascension has already been done, so they both stay, and as a result of History Repeats, both of them are "canon" anyway.
    • As for what is to be told about their worlds; they decided to relay the following (since some might tell them anyway out of spite): Nier's actions basically doomed the entire human race in their world to extinction. "Thankfully", there were still remnants on the moon that—millennia later—would eventually direct androids—such as 2B—to reclaim the planet from machines led by aliens (hey, millennia have passed; a lot can happen in that time). Although that turned out to be a farce perpetuated by YoRHa. The lie the Court did tell though was Yonah's (and Kainé's) fate. Rather than tell them she dies anyway to the Black Scrawl in a few years, they were instead told that she lived a fulfilling life until old age eventually claimed her.
    • As for why Yonah and their friends could not be brought here, the Court says that that was the price of sacrificing their existence; the price cannot be rendered moot. Grimoire Weiss though was fair game since he did also sacrifice himself in the final battle and is being ascended soon. For the time being, they have to settle with simple swords (or lances).
  • Applies to either Nier:
    • Being from a world cursed with Endless Daytime, his first witnessing of night in the Pantheon left him in absolute awe, wishing that Yonah was here to see it.
    • Thanks to the knowledge of his world's past, he greatly despises Caim and Angelus because their coming to their world led to its inevitable end. Caim on the other hand wants his weapons back as some of Nier's findings were originally his.
    • While a good man who does good whenever he can, Nier's refusal to think about his actions tend to have some horrifying consequences. What he sees as monsters he refuses to see as possibly more than that. As such, he's often forced to stand down by deities with more restraint more times than either would like.
      • On the plus side, though, he's willing to do even the most meager of tasks just for the sake of helping others.
    • There are those who use Nier as an example of why you need to have perspective if you wish to be a hero, citing his ignorance resulting in being seen as a Complete Monster to the Shades as he even slaughtered their "children" as a prime reason.
    • Somehow, he can even drift with a giant boar! It needs to be seen to be believed.
    • Thanks to a certain old man, Nier is an exceptional fisherman, able to pull out all sorts of aquatic life, including sharks and ancient fish. Now in the Pantheon, this sometimes also includes the aquatic monsters the Monster Hunters hunt.
    • Has experience with having to face a ridiculous number of projectiles, though his weapons can harmlessly block them.
    • Drowns in any water deeper than his ankles. Though he'll just lose a bit of health (unless in a safe haven) and wash up somewhere nearby for their troubles. The reason why is because he never knew how to swim, since he was forbidden from coming into contact with the precious water resources.
    • Given what happened to humanity in their worlds, Berserker!Iji is reminded all too well of her own lack of thinking that also doomed hers. The worse part is that while Nier was doing it all for the sake of Yonah (with an added racism against Shades), she had "merely" sunk too deep in her rage against the invading aliens that she lost sight of her original objective; to get the invading aliens to leave Earth/Origin. By killing General Tor, the only one willing to listen (after taking a beating), the Komato responded with a full Alpha Strike.
  • Given the very excessive measures Nier has done to rescue his sister (for Brother Nier)/daughter (for Father Nier), Yu and Ryotaro (who have similar family dynamics with Nanako, even though Yu is actually her cousin rather than her brother) are very disturbed by this and wonder what they would've done had they been in Nier's position. Would they have not cared about the human race all just to save her? In hindsight, of course they wouldn't (and would live with their consequences), but otherwise…
  • Heard of what had happened to Emil through 2B and 9S (that he's all right, fought a war with aliens, became a merchant, and so on), and is pissed with the latter since the Scanner android stole from his house and later fought him.
    • 2B also doesn't like him either since it's his fault humanity went extinct in their world. Yet, if it weren't for him, there would never have been a reason for YoRHa to be founded at all, and she and 9S would never exist. At the very least, she wants nothing to do with him.
  • Exclusive to "Father" Nier:
    • Word of Nier eventually reached Geralt as comparisons were drawn between him and the "newcomer"; both were white-haired swordsmen who are also fathers and use magic on the side. The differences became apparent when the two finally met though in a bar; Geralt's magic is his own whereas Nier uses Grimoire Weiss, he'll hold no comment over Yonah (at least Ciri can fend for herself), Nier still goes out of his way to help the common folk while Geralt has long since given up on that (though he will help if he gets roped into it or if his loved ones are in danger), and there's also the "little" issue of Nier refusing to think things through when it comes to killing monsters, like if it's completely ambivalent, or even innocent, while Geralt isn't nearly as ignorant especially since Nier's actions brought about the extinction of the human race. The last bit triggered something fierce and it resulted in a swordfight Bar Brawl. They've been on bitter terms ever since.
  • Exclusive to "Brother" Nier:

Edited by nightelf37 on Dec 15th 2018 at 12:20:59 AM

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#125736: Dec 14th 2018 at 8:21:54 PM

The hands are at 3 [tup]. Do you think it's time they come up?

*Echoing evil laughter*

Master Hand and Crazy Hand, Divine Duo of Ominous Oversized Hands (Master Hand: The Aspect of Creation; Crazy Hand: The Aspect of Destruction)

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Crazy Hand and Master Hand
  • Thumbs: 3 (JD, Master, Weird Warrior)
  • Greater Deities (Master Hand is an Overdeity as Master Core)
  • Symbol: Normally, A Circle With An Off-Center Quartering It. While as any forms of the Master Core, the Master Core itself.
  • Theme Music: Master Hand (SSB4 Version) and (SSBU Version), Master Orders Ticket Selection (Master Hand) Crazy Hand (SSBU Version), the Crazy Orders Ticket Selection theme (Crazy Hand) Master Hand/Crazy Hand (Both)
  • Alignment: Lawful Neutral (Master) and Chaotic Neutral (Crazy) with shades of Evil.
  • Portfolio: Amazing Technicolor Battlefields, Evil Laughter, Giant Hand of Doom, Finger Gun, Original Generation, White Gloves
  • Domains: Hands, Competition, Creation and Destruction, Law and Chaos.
  • Allies:
  • Overseers of: Most Nintendo gods that participate in their tournament.
  • Enemies: Tabuu, Polygon Man, Reiji Arisu and Xiaomu, YHVH, The Monster Hunters
  • On speaking terms: John Sheridan, Lorien (Master Hand); The Grand United Alliance of Destruction (Crazy Hand)
  • Commonality Connection: Ren Amamiya
  • In the universe of Super Smash Bros., there exists two entities that are said to oversee all of the residents of the realm. The first one is a disembodied right hand called Master Hand, who is the creator of said universe and the one who mantains orders and is the final challenge the fighters must face. The second one is Crazy Hand, Master's destructive and more insane counterpart and a left hand who usually subs for the latter and acts as the true final challenge. While each hand used to hold a different domain, which Master Hand having the privileged title of Intercontinuity Crossover, both hand mysteriously vanished one day and so did plenty of fighters from their universe. After a huge conflict that took place in their universe, both hands returned, this time together in a single temple after Master Hand declined the offer to return to his old position. The reasons behind joining his partner Crazy hand in a temple are unknown but it's rumored that it has to do with his hold over the domain of the Super Smash Bros universe being challenged and him not being as strong as he used to be.
  • Peculiarly, Master and Crazy Hand are the only deities in the Pantheon that represent Order and Chaos yet they get along nicely without any issue, even teaming up to fight those who challenge them. Certain deities from GUAL and GUAC consider this an unnaceptable partnership yet both hands are very well respected by the respective faction they closely lean to. There have been efforts from each alliance to distance or even create conflict between the hands but so far it hasn't deterred their relationship. Some believe it's because each hand is a contrasting aspect of a common entity they both originate from.
  • While the hands are usually the ones that oversee all the participants of the Super Smash Bros. tournament, they aren't the most powerful deities around. For example, there was one time where Master Hand fell in combat against the entity known as Tabuu who almost succeeded in turning every single fighter into trophies until Sonic the Hedgehog saved the day. Both hands have a strong disdain for Tabuu and would not hesitate to team up on him should he try to overthrow them again.
    • That's not all, there are rumors that there are even more powerful entities that Tabuu. In one incident in particular, it was revealed that Master Hand is not the only one of its kind around, but hundreds of them showed up to confront the Super Smash Bros. fighters, commanded by a light entity named Galeem. The entity not only managed to capture every single fighter sans one, but also rebuild the entire landscape into what it saw fit. That doesn't end there, Crazy Hand is also one of a hundred copies commanded by another powerful entity named Dharkon, who opposed Galeem and engaged in a long drawn out conflict. Ultimately both hands teamed up and helped out the fighters to defeat both Galeem and Dharkon, releasing all the spirits from their imprisoments and the hands from the control of eldritch creatures.
  • Master Hand may be a force of order but he isn't well regarded by YHVH given his ties with Crazy Hand and a questionable handling of his world. Master Hand himself has no respect for the supposedly creator deity given his lack of care for his own universe while Master Hand is very dedicated to mantaining order in his realm, to the point that a grand majority of the deities consider the floating hand a better guardian that YHVH would ever be.
    • Ironically, Crazy Hand gets along fine with YHVH's sworn nemesis Lucifer, the demonic leader has a lot of admiration for Crazy's unpredictable and chaotic nature and even formally invited him to be one of the Lords of Chaos but the left hand hesitated since he preferred to stick with his right hand counterpart.
  • Of the several fighters that participate in the Super Smash Bros tournament, the hands have a peculiar relation with Joker. The Phantom Thief is no stranger to surreal creatures like the hand but they sound particularly similar to him and his Persona Arsene. He has an habit of scaring other smashers by imitating their Evil Laugh with varying results. The hands are not amused by that.
  • Both Lorien and John Sheridan were reminded of the Vorlon-Shadow conflict after learning of the existance of the hands. While they aren't nearly as obsessed with order and chaos like the Vorlons and the Shadows, both nonetheless have kept an eye on the pair. An acquiantance of them, Kosh, respects Master Hand's position, but is a little annoyed at the fact that Master Hand doesn't take things as seriously as one would expect from an entity of order.
  • Sometimes they tend to give out "Special Orders" (Master Orders)- tasks that other Gods in the Pantheon must complete under certain circumstances in exchange for different prizes. Some more adventorous deities can also try the "Crazy Orders", where Crazy Hand is the one giving out the task and in the end they must beat Crazy Hand with the catch that one loss will force them to forfeit all prizes they have earned. To enter, either one pays a hefty fee, or bring a Crazy Orders ticket with them.
  • Crazy and Beerus get along due to their status as Necessary Evils and being destructive forces. They are also quite silly and don't take their job as seriously as they should. On the other hand, Beerus' assistant and retainer Whis gets along a lot more with Master Hand and is very interested in learning how he manages the Super Smash Bros. universe.
  • Unknown to many, Master Hand possesses a more powerful form most commonly known as Master Core, believed to be the culmination of the darkness forming inside Master Hand and unleashing once he suffered enough damage. It's very powerful and comes in different forms, but nowadays he rarely uses it and prefers to fight alongside Crazy Hand but if pushed far enough, he will not hesitate to use that form.
  • The Hands sometimes have control over certain characters that aren't regular fighters but are powerful enough to manifest into dangerous beings that can challenge the smashers to a fight. It is rumored that Master Hand is the one behind the existance of Giga Bowser, a bigger and more feral version of the Koopa King who is ten times more vicious and brutal, but usually Bowser remains in his regular form and prefers to participate as a regular fighter but if push comes to shove, he will personally transform into Giga Bowser by himself. Master Hand has also been reportedly spotted sending a Rathalos after a select few fighters, something that alarmed the Monster Hunters because controlling a beast like Rathalos cannot mean anything good and since then they have opposed the hand.
    • Crazy Hand on his part in closer to more dark-aligned entities. Similar to Bowser, Ganondorf is able to transform into Ganon at will and that form is usually under the command of Crazy Hand. Outside of the fighters, Crazy Hand has also recruited Dracula and even managed to get his castle to be part of the Smash Universe, in exchange Dracula himself has confronted a few of the smashers who dare enter his realm.
  • Being the Guardians of the Original Generation title, Reiji Arisu and Xiaomu have always known about the prevalance and the importance the hand had over crossover titles and consider them dangerous enough to keep an eye on them. They heard about them firsthand from Ryu given that he was formally invited by Master Hand and have learned that when the hands team up, they are a fearsome pair in battle.
  • They are on bad terms with Polygon Man. He also is behind a tournament similar to theirs and has tried to take down Master Hand numerous times from his old position. After Master Hand abandoned his old position, Polygon Man gloated once again about him being a superior being over Master Hand but all his gloating fell in deaf ears and instead he almost got destroyed when the two hands teamed up on him.

Uni cat
Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
#125737: Dec 14th 2018 at 8:30:45 PM

[up] Time to bring up the hands! [tup]

Time to explore the world!
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#125738: Dec 14th 2018 at 8:42:35 PM

MUA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

Uni cat
yugi195 Chronicle Magician from Spirit World Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Chronicle Magician
#125739: Dec 14th 2018 at 9:00:29 PM

[up]I would clap my hands in celebration, but I feel it would be redundant.

In another few hours, the sun will rise.
MasterHero Since: Aug, 2014
#125740: Dec 14th 2018 at 9:12:07 PM

@ Nightelf: How about Miles Morales? He is actively trying to imitate Spider-Man. On a somewhat related note, maybe Jonathan Samuel Kent can have Superman Substitute. He is actively trying emulate his father.

@ Yugi: [tup] for Doctor Fate.

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#125741: Dec 14th 2018 at 9:13:58 PM

[up]But John is a Super, that trope goes to those emulating Superman.

yugi195 Chronicle Magician from Spirit World Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Chronicle Magician
#125742: Dec 14th 2018 at 9:26:27 PM

[up][up] I feel like I have to agree with Whirl RX on this. Superman Substitute is when completely non-Superman-unrelated superheroes are created or evolve to emulate Superman. I don't think Jonathan Kent qualifies. The same unfortunately applies to Miles Morales as well.
Luckily, the frequency with which these tropes are used means there are myriads of examples to choose from, so the real challenge is finding a definitive one.
Also, thank you for your [tup]

Edited by yugi195 on Dec 15th 2018 at 8:31:52 AM

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mariovsonic999 Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing. Since: Feb, 2012
Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing.
#125743: Dec 14th 2018 at 9:49:46 PM

Any ideas for Jhin?

Jhin, God of Unlucky Four Symbolism (The Virtuoso, Khada Jhin, Artisan Killer, the Golden Demon)

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  • Lesser God
  • Symbol: A lotus
  • Theme Song: Jhin Theme, Mind of the Virtuoso, Curtain Calls
  • Alignment: Neutral Evil
  • Portfolio: Mad Artist, Serial Killer wearing a white mask, AD Caster, Sanctioned by the Ionian Court, Lean and Mean, Cold Sniper, Fashionable Asymmetry, obsessed with four and death, Evil Ionian,
  • Domains: Death, Murder, Art, Four
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies.
  • Rivals: The Defenders of the Ancient, Sona Buevelle (one-sided on Jhin's part), Jinx, Draven, Needles Kane, Destroyman, Joker, Erron Black, Hol Horse
  • Enemies: Zed, Raiden (Metal Gear), The Man with No Name, Jesse Mc Cree, Lucky Luke
  • A psychotic serial murderer from the island nation of Ionia who believes his murder to be art. He was imprisoned after he was captured by the Kinkou Order until a cabal within the Ionian court released him when Noxus invaded Ionia. With his guns as his brush and the entire world as his canvas, he is prepared to make a terrifying piece.
  • He despises Kusho, the master of the Kinkou Order, for his arrest and wants to murder him himself. However, when he found that Zed already got ahead of him and denied his revenge, he wants Zed to be his next and greatest piece. Of course, this wasn't the first time they met, Zed wanted him to die but was denied by his master and Shen, which influenced his resentment and abandonment of the Kinkou Order entirely.
  • He horrified most of the House of Craft in his "artistic" vision. Jhin doesn't take the criticism well and has been considering making the entire House "burst" with elegance and beauty.
  • Considering how he sounds, Raiden would be wary of him considering how his psychotic personality reminds him of his "Jack the Ripper" persona, even if the latter is more violent than the Mad Artist.
  • He is very jealous of Sona for trying to "steal" his spotlight and attention away from his "art." With a lot more musicians in the Pantheon, whose to say that he resent those folks as well.
  • He dislikes other killers and criminals, especially Draven and Jinx, because of their lack of subtlety and artistic vision compared to his own. Especially when they are completely unsubtle about their murder spree like having massive explosions, having an unnecessary amounts of gun and rockets, and dressing horribly.
    • He found the Joker to be very unsophisticated and meaningless. He is rather insulted that the Joker commit murder as a joke rather than a "serious" motive like art.
  • He believes that everyone wears a mask of some sort... it's just that he believes that his is much more believable than any other.
  • He is not one to remain static forever. He often switches gear to be more expressive of other means of murder like the High Noon, and macabre worshipper of Blood Moon demons, and a hacker turned cyborg killer. His fascination with cowboys and the West may have been a fever dream where he used to be a gun-for-hire.
  • In carnage, I bloom, like a flower in the dawn.

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yugi195 Chronicle Magician from Spirit World Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Chronicle Magician
#125744: Dec 14th 2018 at 9:58:48 PM

[up] Might I suggest Alfred Drevis? They seem like they might get along.

In another few hours, the sun will rise.
OldLadyNightMan Since: May, 2018 Relationship Status: Hiding
#125745: Dec 14th 2018 at 10:25:55 PM

I have hardly worked on them for two weeks. If anyone could give me some ideas, I should be back on track.

Danny Sexbang and Ninja Brian, Co-Gods of Sexuality-Charged Songs (Danny: Daniel Avidan, Not-so-Grump Brian: Brian Wecht)

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Left: Brian, Right: Danny
  • "Feared" by: The House of Dragons (Danny)
  • Originally, Chef was the holder for Intercourse with You. That was, until Danny Sexbang came by and sung an entire song heard across the Pantheon (save for the House of Family) dedicated to how he went on an "Orgy for One". While some were understandably disgusted by it, it was generally agreed that he sounded great, so Danny got the trope and brought along Ninja Brian for the ride, while Chef moved to the House of Naming, not that he minded.

Siegfried1337 Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard from the Ashes Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard
#125746: Dec 14th 2018 at 10:37:34 PM

[tup]s Mode Engaged.

B.B, Meltlilith and Passionlip, Triumvirate Goddesses of Composite Characters, (B.B.: Mysterious Black Magus, Black Coat Girl, Black Blossom, Black Sakura, Moon Cancer, Forgotten Primordial Goddess, BB, Bebe, Baby, Heroic Spirit of the Moon Cell's Bane, BB Pele, The Faceless Moon; Meltlilith: Artemis, Lotan, Saraswati, Meltlilis, Melt-lilies, Alter Ego S; Passionlip: Parvati, Durga, Brynhild, Passion Lip, Alter Ego M)
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(Top to bottom) B.B., Meltlilith and Passionlip
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Edited by Siegfried1337 on Dec 16th 2018 at 10:47:40 AM

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#125747: Dec 14th 2018 at 10:48:44 PM

HamanaHamanaHamana Listen Vivy I can explain! (Bitroper)
Listen Vivy I can explain!
#125748: Dec 15th 2018 at 1:34:41 AM

I personally believe Kite-man is not prepared for ascension and neither is Nier. I find the lack of decent flavor text to be present within the profiles, not to mention that for Kite-man, he has some people in his relationships like I Hate Everything, but the flavor texts never expound on the relationship. Like, what is the point of adding them to your deity’s relationship in the first place?

See, your AI friend might have switched bodies with mine, in this case, call me Wheatley. Now get me out of this cube!
M1gamiTensei The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps from Punished “Brainwashed” M1gami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
#125749: Dec 15th 2018 at 1:56:47 AM

So, I wanna do Colonel Volgin frim Metal Gear next under Dirty Communists. Anyone [tup] for that

Pantheon server for all who click here. Freaking lost $410 and I am hunting down for a nuke to reign down.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#125750: Dec 15th 2018 at 2:05:50 AM

Trope taken, but Argonian Lorekeeper has Colonel Volgin getting Electric Torture. You could ask if it's OK to adopt


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