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    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • Gods can't be followers or high priests for obvious reasons.
  • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
  • No hype profiles, please.
    • So you ask, what exactly is 'hype profile'? It is a profile based on ongoing events that hasn't been around very long, but generates a lot of hype, possibly because of elements such as Wham Episode or Memetic Mutation or Large Ham or overall 'OMGAWESOME!!!' They're all not bad tropes, but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time). You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but don't make the profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
  • DO. NOT. put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, don't do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, do yourself a favor and delete it from that main page. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good & Evil Colors.
  • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
    • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
    • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
    • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
    • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to the Treasures or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Treasures or Dominions.
  • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
  • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
  • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you're only given three chances on such. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
  • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what's currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction.
  • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:
  • Please use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, or something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted.
  • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this god has spots in other houses as well.
  • When writing facts/trivia about gods, try not to contradict what has already been written elsewhere.
  • When writing down the name of a Theme Song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name.
  • When adding an image for your God, make sure that it is not too big unless you wish to write more about the god you have chosen.
  • If you feel the need to remove a god for some reason and replace him/her with another, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. If you're lucky (and they're from the same franchise), maybe both of them can share the title "Gods of (Insert Trope Here)".
  • Certain tropes can have more than one God. It is not advisable, but it is not forbidden. Just ensure that this second God will bring in new flavor of the trope. If you have doubts on how to bring the other flavors, consult the Trope Pantheon Discussion forum. Case in point: In the original Greek Mythology (and later Roman Mythology), both Ares/Mars and Athena/Minerva share the title of 'God/Goddess of War', and even then, they differ in flavor: Ares is about brutal warfare, Athena is about war strategies and finesse, while Mars took up some of Athena's elements that he kinda differs out than Ares. If the original myth can do this, why the hell not for the Pantheon?
  • Be creative! If you need some time to work out your potential deity's profile, use the Pending Gods or Pending Gods 2 page to get help. Incomplete and/or low-quality entries are more likely to get deleted or replaced.
  • When writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. See also the Rules section. Especially the 1st bullet point.
  • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name.
  • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it's well advised not to abuse them. Aside from introducing too many niche concepts, there are still chances for new tropes related to your chosen deity's title to be launched through YKTTW...
    • Additionally however, the only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. IE: Their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they're closely associated with In-Universe, or both (example: Gangplank and his oranges).
  • Maximum number of tropes what a god should have is three, but don't try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused.
  • Some series will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps, as well. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it's because they're a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they're connected to another deity in their respective canon.
  • As far as deities from actual mythologies (Greco-Roman, Norse, Japanese, etc.) are concerned, try not to replicate the default myths about their characters and use a fictional counterpart instead. In other words, if you want to use the Greek/Roman god Ares/Mars, you can't add him as the "God of War", but you can use him as part of another trope as long as it's a different version of him. For example:
    • Zeus, while having elements of his persona from Classical Mythology, draws more from his portrayal in the God of War Series.
    • Thor and Loki's Pantheon portrayals are influenced heavily by their appearances in their Marvel Comics series.
    • Amaterasu is a woman in her Japanese mythology portrayal, but her Pantheon counterpart is the dog goddess from Ōkami.
  • Don't depend too much on the hype/meme train, don't just jump onto that train willy-nilly in order to put on some events or entry in the Pantheon. It might not last very long or represent the trope best. This is Trope Pantheons, not Trope Hype Train!
  • Unless the character proposed is specifically from the Abridged version, the character should represent the tropes in their canon selves. If they also happen to possess the trait of the Abridged self, good! But otherwise, get the abridged stuff onto just the flavor texts.
  • To prevent any surprising need to rework profiles due to new development, please restrain from ascending gods from a series before the thing is either released or for longer-running series, there is a good enough of a break from story. This also applies to already existing series if there is a new thing coming out.
  • Please be sure to ask in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you don't waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
    • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else.
  • It is much more recommended to word the title like "God of X" instead of "The God that Xs". This will give off the vibe the God actually ruled over that trope instead of just 'did X', giving more credentials to how it's the best example of the trope.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Deity Template 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Potential House:
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity. This doesn't always have to be a representation of power, but it can also represent influence in the Pantheon.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Song that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D.
  • Gender: For Pokémon deities only. Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
  • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
  • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies.
  • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals.
  • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes.
  • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that have various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.) other than allies, rivals, or enemies.
  • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Pokémon.
  • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
  • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or find pitiable.
  • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by, regardless of alignment.
  • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.

Edited by nombretomado on Aug 25th 2019 at 9:19:10 AM

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Jan 15th 2018 at 10:20:15 PM

The heat this summer is taking it out of me. Making me rather sleepy. Top it off with a cut on my finger, making it harder to type

@ Ferot: Thing is, we'd have the same amount of houses of Prophecy now. With this kind of organization we are trying to make it more approachable and less cluttering. That's the main reason why I want to find a fifth house for Royalty that'd work

@ Bazzardreturns: Mimikyu has taken I Just Want to Be You. Bury Your Gays isn't taken however

I am thinking of adding a fifth house for Time and Space in the form of Space Placement, to match Time Placement. Would you consider that as a viable idea?

Representing New Zealand, TV Tropes addict
Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
Jan 15th 2018 at 10:27:29 PM

@ RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 Oh perfect. I'll be working on an argument on the Chaos Gods as well. May take a bit but I'll find a good reason.

Time to explore the world!
RonnieR15 Ronnie from Earth
Ronnie
Jan 15th 2018 at 10:37:23 PM

  • Crownless Mimic: Change the name to Dwemer Ruins, since that's both their proper name and the fact that they're not proper dwarves.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Jan 15th 2018 at 11:00:11 PM

Never mind, there isn't enough for a fifth house.

I am still thinking of a fifth house for Royalty and I believe there is enough. What would you guys suggest?

Representing New Zealand, TV Tropes addict
nightelf37 The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Relationship Status: Brony
The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker
Jan 15th 2018 at 11:21:34 PM

So, given that Mandibuzz, Goddess of Scumbag Scavengers is not to be a thing, nor does it seem to fit for any Pokémon.

Now that I've let you know that the trope is not taken, there you go.

Can my suggestion for ICEY be fit for working on?

edited 15th Jan '18 11:22:57 PM by nightelf37

If you can't get around it, go through it fast. Personas and Nanos, make 'em here
Jan 15th 2018 at 11:26:13 PM

Rework for Prophecy:

  • Destinies: The Oracle, Agent Texas, The Guardians, Kira Yamato, Neo, The Weird Sisters, Colette Brunel, Cutie Mark Crusaders
  • Harbingers: Othinus, Loki's Brood, SCP- 990, Harbinger (DOTA 2), Leeloo, Jacob Marley
  • Prophets: The Presence, Aladdin (Magi), Nimue Inwudu/Madame Xanadu, Takuma Saiou, Dalek Caan
  • Opposing Fate: Eldrad Ulthran, Riku (Kingdom Hearts), Adol Christin, Akagi, The Nephalems, Wyldstyle

They'll likely go up in a few days unless anyone objects. Any feedback?

TimeLordVictorious Never Ask Me For Anything Ever Again from Mallet Island Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Never Ask Me For Anything Ever Again
Jan 15th 2018 at 11:27:42 PM

[up] All sounds good to me

"Shout, shout, let it all out These are the things I can do without, come on I'm talking to you, come on!" -Tears For Fears
M1gamiTensei 2edgy4me from THE SINS NEVER DIE Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
2edgy4me
Jan 16th 2018 at 3:20:35 AM

I got another idea, wanted to see if anyone would approve

Greg Heffley, God of the Middle Child Syndrome

At this rate, I'll have all these ideas pilling up with no end in sight

JOYCONBOYZ FOREVER
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Jan 16th 2018 at 3:41:18 AM

[up] [tup]

Mizerous suggests Style be separated into regular outfits and special clothing. Is that a good idea? Also, I am wondering if Eyewear could be a thing.

Representing New Zealand, TV Tropes addict
fasoman1996 Angry pure boi from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Angry pure boi
Jan 16th 2018 at 5:57:15 AM

Has everyone forgotten that the Chaos Gods group profile was deleted? The Corruption is free btw.

@Nightelf I approve of the ICEY idea.

[up][up] Can you at least list all of your ideas in your sandbox?

OW 2 hypemon
HotmanX32 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Jan 16th 2018 at 6:02:26 AM

How about we answer this: Why does most people go into the "Why isn't someone from Franchise X is not a god yet" mentality or something alongside those lines?

Trope Pantheon Story site
fasoman1996 Angry pure boi from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Angry pure boi
Jan 16th 2018 at 6:19:05 AM

[up] It's not a bad mentality provided you don't shoehorn a lot of characters from a single series.

OW 2 hypemon
Eldrake Rogue Servitor from Australia Relationship Status: Love is an open door
Rogue Servitor
Jan 16th 2018 at 6:36:21 AM

[up][up] I also have problems with suggestions that don't explain why the character(s) may qualify for it. It's practically a Zero Context Example.

nightelf37 The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Relationship Status: Brony
The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:04:54 AM

[up][up][up]Personally, I prefer looking for a trope without a deity, then searching for a fitting candidate. The only problem with that is if you don't have the necessary know-how of the work the candidate(s) is from, in which case you either have to hope a troper who does is interested or teach yourself that know-how if you're so dedicated to them.

That's what drove me to ascend Chuck Bartowski, Oolong, the Tamagotchi, George of the Jungle, Rusty and co., Moana, Shiro Kanzaki, Masashi Sudo, Crystal from Crystals Pony Tale, etc.

edited 16th Jan '18 7:12:00 AM by nightelf37

If you can't get around it, go through it fast. Personas and Nanos, make 'em here
fasoman1996 Angry pure boi from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Angry pure boi
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:07:46 AM

I often prefer thinking about a character i would like to be around and find a suitable trope for them.

So i created Death Archetypes, which would contain all tropers regarding Dead People and the archetypes surrounding it.

OW 2 hypemon
Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:09:06 AM

Oh okay. So The Corruption is open up. So that doesn't mean I have to make an argument then? Now I've done my arguing about Ashitaka enough yesterday. Would it count as shoehorning if I brought him back as a candidate for the title? It was the first choice.

Time to explore the world!
fasoman1996 Angry pure boi from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Angry pure boi
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:10:29 AM

[up] I guess he is a good fit, but isn't he cured of it by the end of the film?

OW 2 hypemon
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:18:41 AM

[up]He is cured by the end of the movie. I think it leaves a nasty scar though.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:20:19 AM

Yes he did overcome it in the end but that could be referred to in his bio, that he no longer has the curse, but he kept the strength and only occasionally the tendrils come out.

Time to explore the world!
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:23:28 AM

Is You Can't Go Home Again or Scars Are Forever taken? If not, he can get one of those. He does get banish from his home forever because of his curse and after being Cured of it, he still has a scar on his arm as a reminder. He also still has a scar from San that never healed. There's also The Exile. But Riven has it. Though, she has Broken Weapon. But which trope she fits best I don't know.

edited 16th Jan '18 7:25:24 AM by WhirlRX

Gacha Is A Lie.
fasoman1996 Angry pure boi from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Angry pure boi
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:27:36 AM

Scars Are Forever doesn't seem to be taken nor i don't know if it's reserved. That would be the best option for him.

The Corruption wouldn't work considering he doesn't have it anymore.

OW 2 hypemon
Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:30:12 AM

Okay then. Maybe that's the best option. I'll put it under my Sandbox for the time being. If someone else has called dibs on Scars Are Forever then I'll remove it.

Time to explore the world!
nightelf37 The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker from Hadithi (it's Swahili for 'story') Relationship Status: Brony
The Keyblade, Mermaid, and Pony Seeker
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:30:49 AM

Ashitaka, God of Eternal Scars

Has a nice ring to it.

In regards to King Louie, he can take I Just Want To Be Human... If you can convince everyone to have it removed from Pinocchio (he also has Pinocchio Nose).

[down]I have a habit of making names. grin You can check here among the %%s to see my hidden list.

edited 16th Jan '18 7:36:35 AM by nightelf37

If you can't get around it, go through it fast. Personas and Nanos, make 'em here
Bazzardreturns The Marked Prince from Canada Relationship Status: In love with love
The Marked Prince
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:32:45 AM

[up] I like that title. grin Thank you, good sir!

Time to explore the world!
fasoman1996 Angry pure boi from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Angry pure boi
Jan 16th 2018 at 7:35:11 AM

I also found that Phazon has The Corruption but it also has an additional title.

Honestly if given chance, i could give The Corruption to The Sha

OW 2 hypemon

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