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Mr.Didact Keep Hope Alive from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Naked on a bearskin rug, playing the saxophone
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#176: Jan 17th 2015 at 11:30:21 AM

I agree that the three kids should be the main characters but I'd like other heroes to be present as well. And hopefully they are a more varied lot. Not just in powers but appearance as well.

As far as I know Frozone was the only hero who wasn't white in the story. And if we are going with the theme of passing the torch maybe Frozone has a kid too. One around Jack's age and maybe he or she has fire powers instead of her fathers ice.

I do agree that Gamma Jack was the one hero I could see turning villain. Maybe he had a son that was raised under his dream?

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crimsonstorm15 shine on from A parallel universe Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#178: Jan 17th 2015 at 12:10:55 PM

Yes.

According to the DVD extras, with the exception of Mr Incredible, Elastigirl, and Frozone, every named super was killed either by Syndrome, or by a cape-related accident.

Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#179: Jan 17th 2015 at 12:28:21 PM

[up]Syndrome killed a lot of heroes, but he had to find them first. For all we know there might still be a few in hiding. And they might have had super-powered children in the intervening years like the Parrs did.

Personally, I would like to see an Incredibles/Big Hero 6 crossover. Kinda tricky since BH6 seems to take place in the near future, but it might work via time travel or the Parr children all grown up.

TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#180: Jan 17th 2015 at 12:38:47 PM

And new Supers are probably being born all the time. I think it's implied most of them don't have Super parents, even aside from the deleted scene where Syndrome comments that it's illegal for Supers to breed.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#181: Jan 18th 2015 at 6:35:41 AM

[up][up]If Hans being wanted by the police is any indication, Big Hero Six might take place in some weird universe where alternates of previous Disney characters exist, despite the temporal differences. Maybe it has its own version of the Parr family somewhere?

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#182: Jan 18th 2015 at 11:28:51 AM

Anyone ever read any early material that had Bob Parr/Mr.Incredible's name being Bob Golden? I'd read somewhere later that the family name had been changed to Parr when they went into hiding, but I was never sure if this was the official story of if Bob'd just had a different name in early versions of the script.

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#183: Jan 18th 2015 at 11:50:41 AM

According to the deleted scenes, it was originally Bob Smith.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#184: Jan 18th 2015 at 12:35:37 PM

I think I may have mentioned this before, but I kinda want them to go the Evil Counterpart route:

A family of Super villains who's powers are similar (maybe they have different abilities that functionally work in the same manner, or look the same).

Not sure how that would work with Bob and Helen, but Dash's counterpart could be like Hunter Zolomon / Zoom in that he/she slows down time to fake Super-Speed, or can teleport.

Violet's counterpart might have Dark matter style powers that lets him or her create force fields, with the added effect of blinding opponents by enveloping them in darkness.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#185: Jan 18th 2015 at 1:05:49 PM

And Jack-Jack's would be a Badass Normal toddler?

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#186: Jan 18th 2015 at 1:29:34 PM

I feel like Evil Counterpart is getting overused. Practically every Marvel movie has had one, and Big Hero 6's twist felt to me like it just boiled down to "he's like you, but evil!" I'd like to see an original villain concept instead.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#187: Jan 18th 2015 at 1:35:54 PM

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Fair enough. I've always kinda been a fan of the concept, so I couldn't help it.

What other concept could there be for the movie's villain?

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Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#188: Jan 18th 2015 at 1:42:14 PM

[up] It's a fine concept. It's so good a concept, in fact, that it get's used a LOT smile.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#189: Jan 18th 2015 at 1:47:43 PM

The problem with an 'original villain concept' is such things don't really exist anymore.

You could go with the government itself, growing concerned about the reemergence of supers, but that's been done too often recently in comicbooks, and it might open too many audience can worms for Disney's comfort. You could go with an alien invasion, which would totally throw the family out of their comfort zone (I don't think the old supers ever had to deal with one of those) but again, that's been done to death across all media. Magical beings don't really fit this universe. The Underminer feels like too little of a character to work. I really don't know. Syndrome was a relatively fresh concept (the grown, embittered fanboy-sidekick has been done a few times, but not too much) and that freshness is a tough act to follow.

edited 18th Jan '15 1:48:22 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#190: Jan 18th 2015 at 5:00:39 PM

They could make the antagonist someone they have to save, or redeem, rather than beat. You don't see that much.

Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#191: Jan 19th 2015 at 6:55:34 PM

I think what most people want to see in an Incredibles sequel is how the Parrs deal with the events at the end. Are superheroes legal again? Is Elasti-Girl happy to return to that life as much as Bob? How do Dash and Violet adapt to it? Also, I always wondered: what happened to all the supervillains? Presumably they all got captured which is why the public felt the heroes weren't needed anymore. I would like to see a supervillain-jailbreak scenario happen, to introduce some new "old foes". Finally, I'd like to have the heroes tell someone to their face what a bunch of ingrates the Normal Humans were.

TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#192: Jan 19th 2015 at 7:20:41 PM

I'd like to have the heroes tell someone to their face what a bunch of ingrates the Normal Humans were.

This dovetails well with my belief that the villain in the sequel should be a hero with a god complex "Supers should rule" mentality.

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MetaFour AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN from A Place (Old Master)
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#193: Jan 19th 2015 at 8:08:05 PM

Syndrome was a relatively fresh concept (the grown, embittered fanboy-sidekick has been done a few times, but not too much) and that freshness is a tough act to follow.
I think Syndrome was a little bigger than that. Syndrome was a glory hound who wanted to be a hero, but completely misunderstood what that meant. As such, he represented a particularly pernicious idea. The guy legitimately believed that, by engineering a fake disaster and "saving" everyone from it, he would be just as good as the heroes he used to idolize—better, even.

Mr. Incredible: You mean you killed off real heroes so you could pretend to be one?
Syndrome: Oh, I'm real, alright. Real enough to defeat you!

So the sequel ought to give us a villain who also represents some new viewpoint that's at odds with heroism in a different way.

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#194: Jan 19th 2015 at 10:41:49 PM

The Beware the Superman "supers should rule the mortals" villain route might go a ways in dispelling the criticisms that The Incredibles has a message claiming such.

Mr.Didact Keep Hope Alive from Winterfell Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Naked on a bearskin rug, playing the saxophone
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#195: Jan 20th 2015 at 11:25:37 AM

Maybe the supervillain could be a Superman expy who was an even greater hero than Mr. Incredible and bought his own myth.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#196: Jan 20th 2015 at 11:36:08 AM

"What if Superman decided he really was superior to humanity" is such a played out concept that I really hope not.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#197: Jan 20th 2015 at 2:34:44 PM

Maybe two villains, one who represents the worst of mankind and one that represents the worst of superhumanity? They clash with their own diametrically opposed agendas with the world and the Parrs caught in the middle, and the heroes have to prove both extremes are in the wrong, that no side is automatically superior to the other.

Magneto vs. Trask and the Sentinels, so to speak.

machop Since: Jan, 2015
#198: Jan 20th 2015 at 2:38:40 PM

I thought of a French villain who makes things explode at the snap of his fingers.

(crickets chirp)

Damn, that was the best idea I've had.

terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#199: Jan 20th 2015 at 2:50:46 PM

Use Xerek again, that was the original anyway.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#200: Jan 20th 2015 at 3:44:56 PM

[up][up]Isn't that basically Bomb Voyage?


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