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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#801: Sep 3rd 2018 at 7:20:32 PM

Brad Bird includes a LOT of reality nods in dialogue that provide some small commentary. It's one of his signature traits in his movies.

Edited by kyun on Sep 3rd 2018 at 7:20:45 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#802: Sep 3rd 2018 at 9:53:44 PM

Arguing that Incredibles 2 doesn't refute the villain's viewpoint is interesting to me. Because, like, the heroes and the villain are facing completely different conflicts. Helan and Bob are doing this because they want to give their kids a world where they don't have to face being a legal entity. The villain's questioning of if superheroes make populations complacent and the two arguments are mostly irrelevant to each other. Like, the heroes don't need to defeat the villain's argument, because that argument isn't important to their character arcs; defeating the villain's plan is. In fact, there's no reason why after the events of the film the good guys and the villain couldn't work together on drawing up legislation that would satisfy both concerns.

Huh, I never thought about it before. It's an interesting point that the story was never even about the Par kids having to become super heroes, just their right to self-determination, which Evelyn wanted to take away.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#804: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:06:20 PM

According to the artists, they reused Honey’s model as one of the background supers on the cruise ship.

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#805: Oct 19th 2018 at 1:30:49 PM

I choose to believe that means she is also a super.

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#806: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:56:11 PM

Why the hell can't Honey actually show up?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#807: Oct 20th 2018 at 9:38:44 AM

Because the fans and/or the writers liked the mystique of her not being onscreen, apparently.

I'm not a fan of any of the designs they would've gone with, so I guess I'm fine with it.

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#808: Oct 20th 2018 at 12:31:46 PM

Because they really wanted to reuse the same joke from the previous movie.

Except shorter and already in the trailer so it doesn’t even have return novelty. :/

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#809: Oct 20th 2018 at 12:48:34 PM

> Why the hell can't Honey actually show up?

She's camera shy

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InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#810: Oct 20th 2018 at 6:46:05 PM

Personally, I like the scene. The original joke slowed the action in the first place, but it was such a good joke that the pace drop was forgivable.

TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#811: Oct 20th 2018 at 6:52:31 PM

Frasier kept up a joke about Niles' wife Maris never being on screen for eleven seasons.

Man, the examples list for The Ghost has some duds from one-shot media. It's not at all significant that we never saw Hans' brothers in Frozen!

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#812: Oct 21st 2018 at 8:18:07 AM

Yeah... if Hans’ brothers are on there, they should be removed as an example

SnaxBox Since: Aug, 2018
#813: Oct 24th 2018 at 5:58:34 AM

Do you know the TV Tropes, Ron the Death Eater and Unintentionally Unsympathetic? I'm sure Bob is both of these cases for having Tony mindwiped of Violet and keeping the truth of Jack-Jack having powers from Helen.

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#814: Oct 24th 2018 at 9:52:59 AM

I'd not go that far. Bob did not specifically ask for Tony to forget Violet: it was just a standard procedure, like they did to Kari, and he had no reason to suspect the minwipe would include every memory Tony had of Violet.

As for hiding Jack Jack powers from his wife, this was not done out of malice but not to bother her during her mission.

So of course it would be quite possible to use these two events to frame Bob as a bad dad and husband, but that would be really far-fetched and not at all in line with how he behaves for the rest of the film (for instance he does try to help his daughter get back with Tony, if very clumsily).

In my eyes, the one time I found Bob's behaviour to be a bit unsympathetic was when he seemed very jealous of his wife being chosen over him. I wonder if there's a bit of Deliberate Values Dissonance there given when the film is supposed to take place.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#815: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:53:43 PM

Also, Ron the Death Eater is not a character trope. The one you’re looking for is Took a Level in Jerkass.

And I’d agree that’s not really the case.

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#816: Oct 25th 2018 at 5:27:14 PM

I can sort of sympathize with Bob's jealousy. You have to remember that, when he was active, he was the most beloved hero in the world. Or at least in the country. And for years, he had to hide that part of himself from the world and pretend the good he did never happened. So when it finally looks like he'll get the chance to be that man again, it gets pulled out from under him.

And, like others have constantly pointed out, even though Bob groused and complained, he never tried to weasel out of it, or follow after Helen, or give a half-assed parenting effort out of spite. He knuckles down and does the best that he can to be a good dad.

Besides, I'm pretty sure "You'll do a great job so I can do a better one" was a joke.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#817: Oct 25th 2018 at 6:45:07 PM

I actually really like the way they did Bob. He’s always been a characteristically selfish person, but the last movie taught him to be better. Yet instead of all those flaws just vanishing overnight, this movie shows that they’re still a part of him but he’s actively trying to improve and do the things he needs to do for his family.

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#818: Oct 27th 2018 at 7:29:31 PM

Deleted scene from Incredibles 2 featuring Honey, wife of Frozone.

Can't say I really like it either. It still keeps her to a one scene gag that's simply the repeat of the previous one. Plus, in the first film her insistence on keeping Frozone out of his suit was more plausible: it was implied she didn't know a robot attack was going on and thought this was another of her husband's excuses to ditch their date. Here she clearly sees an attack happening (and doesn't seem to have anything planned), so it makes her seem worse to not want him saving lives at this moment.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#819: Feb 16th 2019 at 6:39:55 PM

Just gave this a look on Netflix.

I liked it. They said this time Helen would be the lead, and they meant it.

While the first movie was about Bob, it also felt like it was about the entire family too.

This one still had that, but Helen was definitely the lead.

I gotta say, I like that the villain survived. Makes it very different from the first movie. Although Helen sure had me going when she sent her through the window.

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#820: Feb 20th 2019 at 8:16:03 PM

So how strong do you think Mr. Incredible was in his prime? For... fanfiction purposes.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#821: Feb 20th 2019 at 8:18:51 PM

Hard to say. We only see a little bit of what he was capable of back in the day.

I mean, he got out of shape during the first movie, but did he seem weaker?

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#822: Feb 20th 2019 at 8:21:26 PM

Well, since we don't really know the source of Robert's powers, we can only assume that he's like a normal person, only much more so, and when humans get older, they get weaker.

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#823: Feb 21st 2019 at 12:17:55 AM

Robert is not that old, I'd say somewhere in his forties. I know firsthand that people at that age are not much weaker than when they were in their twenties. What may suffer a bit are the speed, recovery time after injuries, and joints resistance (as seen with the fight against the Omnidroid). Nothing that some regular exercises can't counter.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#824: Feb 21st 2019 at 9:04:54 AM

Unless you're a pro Athlete.

I'd assume that the constant wear and tear would break your body down much faster.

It seems to happen a lot to pro wrestlers for instance, but then again they do some pretty crazy shit deliberately.

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#825: Feb 21st 2019 at 3:32:23 PM

Depends on the nature of his powers. Most depictions of a future Superman say that he only gets stronger over time, and even still it's all relative when you can throw tanks. It does seem that Bob's physique is prone to atrophy, which would imply his exercise montage was more for vanity reasons than being outright incapable of the same stuff. Throwing out his back fighting Omnidroid IX does raise some questions, much like Helen showing disappointment over her wider hips.


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