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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#226: Dec 12th 2015 at 7:26:17 PM

I've had two run-ins with the Collector. First one I had to retreat because his Vestal and Man-At-Arms ghosts kept ruining everything. The next time, it was on a Scout mission in the ruins, and it cost me all three of my group except the Abomination. Got him though, along with a gem worth 2500 gold.

Anyway, after two false starts I'm on week...seven? Eight? Nine? Either way a good ways in now. First Highwayman is still alive, sitting pretty at level three while I try and get a party strong enough to take down the Prophet (which I think I do, considering I have two Abominations with me and everybody is at least Level 1. I also have an Arbalest or two and I've heard that if you use their Flare ability it basically neuters the Prophet's ability to do his "falling rocks" attack.

edited 12th Dec '15 7:28:07 PM by theLibrarian

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#227: Dec 12th 2015 at 8:54:24 PM

And then there's me staring at my week 92 initial playthough.

So for once, the RNG was nice to me. And by that, I mean that when I reloaded my game after the crash, it set me back before his resolve was tested, and back at 12 health. Go me. After doing a another run, the subsequent one didn't go down so well. Lost my Bounty Hunter in the first room to those damned Fungal Scratchers. They have a new attack specificly for marked targets, and it does a heap of damage. Poor guy didn't last, and I had to abandon the quest.

It did free up a space for the Abomination though! I had to dismiss some guys for a...less then stellar party, but they were kind of lost causes to maintain anyway. My thoughts on him so far is that if you can manage your stress levels well enough, he's going to be a powerful addition. His skills in his human form are not bad either. His normal attack has a natural stun chance, and his bile can soften enemies up enough for other guys. Too bad he can't pair up with the Leper. With him in his beast form, and a Leper that knows Hew, they'd tear through the enemies front ranks. Alas, its not to be. Here's to hoping I get a Hellion soon, I only have one, and would like a proper front line fighter that isn't the Graverobber.

edited 12th Dec '15 8:56:17 PM by SkormSnow-Strider

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#228: Dec 12th 2015 at 9:21:40 PM

Yeah, the Weald is a place that I'm doing my best to avoid. Even Apprentice-level short missions normally end up giving me a party-wipe because of all the status ailments and garbage in it.

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#229: Dec 12th 2015 at 9:32:47 PM

It's so worth digging up shallow graves though.

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#230: Dec 12th 2015 at 9:35:18 PM

[up][up]I used to be able to plow straight through them, but for whatever reason they turn into a massacer every time I bring a Bounty Hunter.

But the Weald still isn't too bad if your party is properly prepared. Having a Plague Doctor with trinkets that boost their blight chance means you can blight things like the Fungal Artillery and Scratchers with ease, and having that kind of damage go out on hard to reach or tanky opponents helps out a ton. Being able to cure blight and bleed, two very common problems in the Weald is also incredibly useful.

Now the Warrens have proven problematic for me. Didn't start out that way, and its solely because of those wretches that vomit all over the place. Their crit rate is nuts, and the fact that they can disease you consistently is really frustrating. Everything else is manageable, if you know what you're doing.

[up]Is the loot that good? I usually pass them up, because I never thought you really got anything of worth from them.

edited 12th Dec '15 9:36:44 PM by SkormSnow-Strider

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#231: Dec 12th 2015 at 9:39:07 PM

Yes, but the problem is my initial Plague Doctor and the next one are both dead from a Cleanse mission that we only lost on the final room due to everyone going nuts (screw those Madmen, they're so cheap) and I haven't gotten a new one. I haven't even gotten a Jester.

VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#232: Dec 12th 2015 at 9:42:48 PM

[up][up]I swear I've seen 1000-gold worth gems quite frequently from using a shovel on shallow graves (which is, on that note, the only way to successfully dig them up). In general, I don't think I've seen a gain of less than 500 gold-worth from them.

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#233: Dec 12th 2015 at 9:43:29 PM

You should get a new one at the very least. Their usefulness against bosses is...not good, unless that boss is the Necromancer, but for places where Bleed and Blights are common, they can save a lot of money and grind down enemies into dust. They do need trinkets to support their abilities though.

edited 12th Dec '15 9:43:51 PM by SkormSnow-Strider

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#234: Dec 12th 2015 at 9:49:03 PM

Yeah, I know. None come on the wagon, though. I seem to mostly get Arbalests, Bounty Hunters, and Occultists.

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#235: Dec 13th 2015 at 2:17:52 AM

After a rage-quit on a first-dungeon Collector, I'm back in the game.

It doesn't seem like every attack causes a debuff, too. Some do. Also, stress damage on Bloodletter's whip attacks is scary.

Abomination is kind of cool, though he probably requires a somewhat flexible party in terms of movement. For now I was using him in a second rank with a Highwayman in first rank with Point Blank Shot and Duelist's Advance; don't have any other non-religious frontliner than a Bounty Hunter yet.

Also, Madmen are really cheap. Courtiers and Cultist Priestesses are nothing compared to this guy.

edited 13th Dec '15 2:18:16 AM by FergardStratoavis

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#236: Dec 13th 2015 at 6:59:18 AM

Seriously. I could take it if he was just a stress dealer, but having all those high dodge stats makes him really cheap and OP.

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#237: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:21:35 AM

It doesn't seem like every attack causes a debuff, too. Some do.

Could be tied to the level of the dungeon. I noticed I wasn't getting hit as often with them when doing non-champion ranked runs. Granted, it could be entirely unique to the warrens too. I know the Butchers and Wretches do it for sure. Don't know what hit me that causes -X% heal received, but that was nasty.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#238: Dec 14th 2015 at 5:34:52 AM

I killed the Swine King last night at the cost of two people. Tried to do the Formless Flesh afterwards but everyone had gone nuts by that point so it didn't turn out well and I had to pull out.

edited 14th Dec '15 5:35:11 AM by theLibrarian

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#239: Dec 14th 2015 at 8:16:31 AM

The worst thing is the skeleton guard. Goddamn freaking 5 damage every turn as Ao E with a chance to stun? Bull. Just so much bull and so much hate.

ALL MY HATE

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#240: Dec 14th 2015 at 8:22:04 AM

Formless Flesh is dead. Finally found a jester, too, unfortunately I didn't read enough into the description of a mission in the Cove so I didn't pack enough stuff to be able to camp. Whoops.

Anyway I've now got two people up to level 3, so if I can get more to that level I can try for a run at the second necromancer.

FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#241: Dec 14th 2015 at 11:07:44 AM

The Swine King can be easily done with someone who can tank it up really good. Crusader and MAA are probably best for that since they can stack tons of PROT on themselves.

As for Flesh, DOT's, all of them. Since all fours parts of it share a healthbar, you can stack them on all four of them and then watch it melt from 40 damage a turn.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#242: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:23:15 PM

That is why the Hellion is one of my favorits. With the "If it Bleeds", and thew two trinket proc bleeds, she can basically make anything bleed

That is, if she can fucking land a hit god dammit.

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#243: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:38:04 PM

[up]Hellion is the best. If it bleeds, she can kill it. She definitely helped me a lot during fights against the Flesh bosses.

Speaking of bosses, how's the Collector boss, for those who fought it? I haven't met it yet, so I'm curious on what the fight is like. It's not harder than the Shambler, right?

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#244: Dec 14th 2015 at 12:43:44 PM

I have her with the heal bleed/buff ability, wicked slash, If it bleeds, and the yawp. I think it is a pretty nifty combo.

But its the same as the leper. It is only good if it hits. And RN Gesus is a cruel and unforgiving eldritch god

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FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#245: Dec 14th 2015 at 1:01:36 PM

[up][up] As someone biased who got creamed by both, I'm gonna say the Collector is worse. He has slightly less health and doesn't throw all-party DOT's around, but when he summons his dudes, he summons all three of them in one sitting. Haven't seen a MAA Wraith, HWM Wraith is basically using Open Vein and Vestal Wraith heals for a lot of damage... on top of Collector having his own life steal.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#246: Dec 14th 2015 at 4:54:13 PM

Yeah, I haven't tried to fight the Shambler but the Collector is a bitch to fight.

Anyway, had two good runs, one in the Warrens and one in the Weald. The Jester I've got is really making himself worth it. I'm gonna take one more group on an expedition to get two more people to Level 3 and then try out a Veteran mission.

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#247: Dec 15th 2015 at 1:39:02 AM

Quick question. Does the Bounty Hunters grapple work on the Prophet? I kind of want to tackle him eventually and been planning out my party to just mop the floor with him ASAP, but I kinda want to know what my Bounty Hunter should focus on. I have some pretty good trinkets that make it so he can shuffle people around with ease.

FergardStratoavis A Fluff Ringer from Bellveins (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: A gay little love melody
A Fluff Ringer
#248: Dec 15th 2015 at 1:50:12 AM

As far as I know he's 200% immune to move skills.

As for BH, have someone in your party mark the Prophet(Arbalest/Occultist), then go to town on him using Collect Bounty once two pegs have been knocked down.

MAA might be a good bet for that too to protect squishier party members from the rubble.

edited 15th Dec '15 1:50:40 AM by FergardStratoavis

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#249: Dec 15th 2015 at 6:28:51 AM

I hate it when my goddamn party members go on prolongued parties in the tavern. Fucking three weeks missing after going to a brotherl.

WHAT KIND OF CRUSADER ARE YOU!?

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#250: Dec 15th 2015 at 7:09:42 AM

A terrible one. I had a Crusader that picked up the "Witness" trait, though that's more the Abbey's fault than his. I once had a Houndmaster experience a religious vision and leave for like two weeks.

edited 15th Dec '15 7:10:14 AM by theLibrarian


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