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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#3076: Jun 22nd 2017 at 4:44:19 PM

Heck now that they're doing Thanos, Doctor Doom could be the next major Avengers villain.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#3077: Jun 22nd 2017 at 4:58:23 PM

Make it so that Doom has his most glorious entrance.

Thelastwarrior Since: Jun, 2017
#3078: Jun 22nd 2017 at 5:05:09 PM

[up][up][up]The reason Fox should give the fantastic 4 is that they have probably lot more on those movies than they gained... out of all the marvel properties it would be the easiest to get back.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#3079: Jun 22nd 2017 at 5:42:04 PM

The reason Fox should give the fantastic 4 is that they have probably lot more on those movies than they gained... out of all the marvel properties it would be the easiest to get back.
But what does Fox get? Fox isn't going to just give away something for free.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3080: Jun 22nd 2017 at 6:40:17 PM

A lot of times they make movies it ends up being a time and resources sink if not an outright bomb, and if they don't do anything with the movies they lose the rights anyway.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#3081: Jun 23rd 2017 at 2:16:08 PM

[up][up] Especially since Fox (relatively) recently lost one of their top properties to Disney in Star Wars. They probably don't want to hand anything over if they aren't forced to.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#3082: Jun 23rd 2017 at 2:25:54 PM

The Sony-Marvel agreement will be the testing ground, honestly. It's basically unprecedented, two companies "sharing" an IP like that. Depending on how the Sony-Marvel agreement goes, Fox may be inspired to cut a similar deal.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#3083: Jun 23rd 2017 at 2:27:26 PM

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Disney always gets what they want.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#3084: Jun 23rd 2017 at 2:56:47 PM

[up]And yet the FF and X-Men remain at Fox.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#3085: Jun 23rd 2017 at 3:36:32 PM

[up] FOX still has to ask MARVEL for permission to make television shows out of those properties (Legion and The Gifted). Hence why MARVEL was able to strike a deal with them to get Ego for Guardians 2.

It's weird because, as stated earlier, MARVEL is slowly softening their stance on not promoting the characters (I think the Four were recently mentioned in the Secret Empire comic, and MARVEL is pushing the X-Men in Marvel Future Fight and (potentially) Avengers Academy).

edited 23rd Jun '17 3:37:09 PM by XMenMutant22

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#3086: Jun 23rd 2017 at 4:00:11 PM

Okay? That doesn't really change what I just said. And they Marvel Ego because of the Deadpool writers wanting to change Negasonic Teenage Warhead, not the TV deal.

Allegedly they'd tried something similar in the past to try and get Galactus, but it didn't work.

edited 23rd Jun '17 4:00:56 PM by comicwriter

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#3087: Jun 23rd 2017 at 4:41:17 PM

Don't worry, you guys. We just need at least the next three X-Men movies to bomb so FOX is prompted into making a deal, or outright returning them sweet rights...

... which is probably not going to happen, since people seem to like those movies for reasons that fly over my head.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#3088: Jun 23rd 2017 at 5:18:55 PM

If you look at these forums, people have been predicting the X-Men films would finally bomb so Marvel could get back the rights since like 2011.

It's kind of a hilarious time capsule in that way.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#3089: Jun 24th 2017 at 1:48:14 AM

Nah, the X-men will stay with Fox for the foreseeable future. There was always little doubt that even if they started to produce diminishing returns Fox would simply reboot the universe (properly this time around). The F4 are another matter though, because Fox has poisoned the brand. And I do think that Marvel would jump at buying those rights back (for a reasonable price) in a minute...but I don't think that they would do a partnership with Fox which would help Fox to keep those rights.

DeadlyAssassin Last of the Stellarians from Helsinki Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Last of the Stellarians
#3090: Jun 24th 2017 at 4:51:34 AM

[up][up] Then again, First Class pretty much flopped financially.

Children of Dievas - my webcomic about the Northern Crusades
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#3091: Jun 24th 2017 at 6:10:43 AM

[up]Only if there's some other meaning of "flop" I'm not aware of.

It made less than the other movies, but that's to be expected since they replaced the entire cast and were coming off the one-two punch of The Last Stand and Wolverine.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#3092: Jun 24th 2017 at 6:17:06 AM

Flop seems to be one of those words that mean something very different online.

DeadlyAssassin Last of the Stellarians from Helsinki Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Last of the Stellarians
#3093: Jun 24th 2017 at 8:19:58 AM

353 million on a ~150 million production budget is by no means profitable, since marketing was almost certainly over 50 million.

Children of Dievas - my webcomic about the Northern Crusades
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#3094: Jun 24th 2017 at 11:01:39 AM

[up][up]It's like I just said previously when someone said the first FF movie was also a flop. A movie can be shit but an actual flop is something different.

DeadlyAssassin Last of the Stellarians from Helsinki Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Last of the Stellarians
#3095: Jun 24th 2017 at 11:25:53 AM

Which First Class was, since it barely made twice it's production budget back which isn't enough for a big Hollywood tentpole to make a profit.

Children of Dievas - my webcomic about the Northern Crusades
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#3096: Jun 24th 2017 at 11:52:00 AM

Eh. I have no idea what the marketing budget was so unless I'm privy to that info, I'm not calling it a flop.

But even if did fail, the overall point is still correct. People on here have been saying the franchise would finally die and the rights would be surrendered to Marvel with every installment going back to First Class. At a certain point that dream needs to be reevaluated.

edited 24th Jun '17 11:55:55 AM by comicwriter

thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#3097: Jun 24th 2017 at 12:02:59 PM

The dream needs to b shot through the face.

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#3098: Jun 24th 2017 at 1:34:53 PM

Highest grossing and most profitable X-Men movie in history is Deadpool, and the only film likely to beat that is Deadpool 2. Thing is, no-one gave that movie a chance to be that successful, especially not Fox, who cut the film's budget while it was nearing completion. Yet everyone seems to be willing the Fantastic Four films not to suck, only to be disappointed en masse once the films come out and they're seen to be trainwrecks.

Perhaps it's time to stop giving a shit about the actual Fantastic Four franchise and accept the fact that the best movie in that series is "The Incredibles", and probably always will be, same as how most fans accept that "Galaxy Quest" is one of the top three Star Trek films? There's lots of other Marvel and D.C. Comics franchises to get obsessed over.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#3099: Jun 24th 2017 at 1:51:43 PM

The F4 have been floundering on both print and celluloid for a good while now, and one reason I've heard proposed is they they're just so utterly tied to the Cold War that it's hard for modern audiences to relate to them.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#3100: Jun 24th 2017 at 2:05:14 PM

To be fair, Reed Richards is back in the comics. As an Infamous Iron Man (Dr. Doom) villain.


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