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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#15751: Nov 28th 2019 at 9:18:43 AM

It would be nice if the Speed Force learned something from this fuckup, but it won't.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#15752: Nov 28th 2019 at 9:36:58 AM

I can see the Speed Force, realizing that it has been unfair to Barry, and after the Crisis has been averted, to offer Barry the choice of giving up his powers to he can live with Iris and Nora.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#15753: Nov 28th 2019 at 7:11:30 PM

This is the same cosmic force that chose Hunter Zolomon, convicted serial killer, to be a speedster, too. Its standards for good decision making are low.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15754: Nov 28th 2019 at 8:38:50 PM

...do we know it chose Hunter?

I mean, that's not really clear now that I think about it.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#15755: Nov 28th 2019 at 8:58:08 PM

The only suggestion against it (that comes to my mind) stems from him hopping up on Velocity, otherwise he seemed to have the same connection Barry and Jay did.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#15756: Nov 29th 2019 at 7:04:26 AM

He was struck by lightning when the particle accelerator went wild, thus gaining superspeed, in a clear parallel to how Barry got his powers. So to whatever extent the lightning chose Barry, it presumably chose Hunter as well (though the whole idea that it's deliberately chosen anyone could, of course, be poppycock).

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15757: Nov 29th 2019 at 8:53:33 PM

Well, we all knew the Speed Force was kinda an asshole.

Now we know it's stupid too.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#15758: Dec 2nd 2019 at 12:48:22 AM

Hunter Zolomon wasn't struck by lightning, he was electrocuted in an electric chair when the particle accelerator exploded. That's why he got speed powers.

In fact, most of the speedsters on this show got their speed powers by accident. It seems as if Barry was the only one that the Speed Force actually chose.

I still prefer the original post-Crisis explanation for Barry's origin: when he "died" in the Crisis, he actually ran so fast that his body transformed into energy and then went back in time and became the lightning bolt that struck him and gave him powers, thus making the whole thing a closed time loop.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#15759: Dec 3rd 2019 at 6:55:13 PM

It's a shame Ramsey was overshadowed by the Crisis, because I think he was was one of my top three favorite season villains.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15760: Dec 3rd 2019 at 7:28:47 PM

Ramsey ain't don't yet.

He's just taking a break. He's scary enough on his own. There ain't enough room for him and Crisis.

But damn. This was some episode huh?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#15761: Dec 3rd 2019 at 7:32:34 PM

It'd be funny if Ramsey broke out immediately after the Crisis and resumed Big Bad duties.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15762: Dec 3rd 2019 at 7:33:10 PM

I fully expect that to happen honestly.

I mean, who else is there?

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#15763: Dec 3rd 2019 at 7:34:18 PM

[up][up][up][up] Probably for the best since they'd probably stretch it out, chances are that would hurt it.

Edited by Cross on Dec 3rd 2019 at 10:36:02 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15764: Dec 3rd 2019 at 7:48:25 PM

...Is it wrong that when Barry is performing his sacrifice that I want them to play Flash Gordon's theme again?

I know it'd be tonally wrong for such a moment, but damn, I just want to hear that again.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#15765: Dec 3rd 2019 at 9:43:58 PM

[up][up][up]we are getting a female version of the 2nd mirror master. eva mcculloch

also why they hell do they still keep the particle accelerator up and ready for literally every big bad to use. why do they need that, like if barry needs the room to run to go to the past/future or alternate earths sure but does it need to be powered because its just villain bait at this point

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#15766: Dec 4th 2019 at 2:18:45 PM

Ralph just missing out this entire episode felt very wrong, especially at the end. But hey, somebody remembered H.R.!

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#15767: Dec 4th 2019 at 8:49:04 PM

also why they hell do they still keep the particle accelerator up and ready for literally every big bad to use.
In this case, it was actually a good thing, because they were able to use it to transmit the UV rays to everyone and cure them of Bloodwork's infection.

And yeah, eight episodes was just the right amount of time for the villain. I wish they had done the same thing last season — broken up the season, have Cicada defeated by the 100th episode and then the next episode introduce the new villain until Cicada II shows up or something. This season, Bloodwork was able to make a few scary appearances, introduce his master plan, have his big two-part episode, and then be defeated without any last minute escapes. He served his purpose and didn't stick around afterwards, which is good.

Of course, he could return later on in the season, perhaps partnering with the next villain. The actor is good, so I wouldn't mind that, but they need something new, rather than rehashing the same storyline.

It looks like Allegra is sticking around and I wonder if Chester will, too. It seems like they may be introducing more secondary character, perhaps if/when Wally takes over.

And I've stated this before, but it would be pretty cool if, next season, Barry and Wally exchanged episodes — like, we had one episode with Wally as the Flash in Keystone City and the one episode with Barry as the Flash in Central City. That way, the actors could have more time off to film whatever crossover there was and it wouldn't be noticeable, and various characters would get more character development.

Kamilla also had a character moment in this episode!

Edited by alliterator on Dec 4th 2019 at 8:52:03 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#15768: Dec 4th 2019 at 9:04:17 PM

So, what are the chances this new Particle Accelerator explosion will give a whole bunch more people superpowers, thus giving us a slew of new metas for the next plot?

Man, one of the downsides to killing off the big bads of the seasons/plots is that you don't get those fun "post defeat" moments. That final line from Ramsey was great - pure supervillain. Can't wait to see him again.

And the nature of his powers (fear zombies!) makes me hope they do Green Lantern and Sinestro one day. Can you imagine Ramsey in the Sinestro Corps?

My suspicion that they'll eventually assimilate Caitlin into Frost's personality continues to grow.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 4th 2019 at 9:13:17 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15769: Dec 4th 2019 at 9:38:24 PM

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I don't think we'll be seeing Wally. isn't his actor still essentially done with the show?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#15770: Dec 4th 2019 at 10:05:16 PM

I think he's been confirmed to come back for a few episodes this season.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15771: Dec 5th 2019 at 7:56:26 AM

Oh. Cool.

Shame he's missing another crossover though.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#15772: Dec 5th 2019 at 12:35:28 PM

Do we know when exactly Barry came up with his plan?

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#15773: Dec 5th 2019 at 12:42:32 PM

Given it's Barry, I dunno if "months in advance" is too different to "five minutes ago".

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#15775: Dec 10th 2019 at 5:08:43 PM

I love how the special straight up just undoes Cisco losing his powers from last season.

It reminds me of Han coming back after being taken by Jabba in Empire Strikes Back: a move made just in case the actor wanted to leave, hastily undone in the plot once it turned out he wouldn't.


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