I really liked the episode especially anything to do with Ralph and Chester. By the way I can't figure out why I like Chester so much. I mean he has qualities that I would normally find annoying in a character. But for some reason he's my favorite new character this season. I however don't like Nash for reasons I also can't put my finger on.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadYeah.
They literally do not have time for this shit either.
Ramsey has shit timing.
By the way, doesn't the Crisis literally start this sunday? How can Flash still have another episode?
No wait. I just checked. It starts December 8th, not December 1st. Got the dates wrong.
One Strip! One Strip!Wow. That was... wow.
Grant Gustin was great in this episode.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 26th 2019 at 8:27:16 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadWell, we've all kinda been angry at the Speed-Force.
But I wish he'd dealt with it in another way.
One Strip! One Strip!the speed force didnt have a good argument. it was just hey you have to fufill your destiny of dying in two days because I say so and bloodwork was at least saying together we can save everyone.
I do wonder since they mentioned forces when talking about how the speed force is important, if the other 3 forces are gonna come into play in the latter half of the season? we got still, sage, and strength, and their combined form.
The speed force's argument is one of the only things that brings down an otherwise great episode. It has a good argument: "giving into Ramsey would give him complete control of you, and he wants to enslave/mutate all humanity under his will." It says so right off the bat. Barry's seen Ramsey mutate an entire hospital into zombies and then melt them all the moment he no longer needed them - he knows giving him more power is a bad idea.
Problem is, the Speed Force can't keep making this argument because then the audience would wonder why Barry is going along with such an obviously bad idea and the plot would stop working. So for the rest of the episode it instead just goes "you can't make yourself stronger because I say so," and when it finally does bring it up again it's in the vaguest terms possible long after it's already too late for reason to work.
It reminded me of Daredevil Season 2, where Danny has many tangible reasons for being against Punisher's murder spree, but when they meet face to face he can't muster any argument stronger than "I'm Catholic and I say you can't do that." It's a writer's trick to fake a moral dilemma.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 27th 2019 at 12:17:13 PM
The Speed Force isn't a person though, it's a sentient being sure, but it's more of a concept.
Its operating under Blue-and-Orange Morality.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.![]()
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Imo, the best possible karmic end for Ramsey wouldn't be for him to die, but for him to meddle with his own genetics so much that he gets what he wants and lives forever - but with a Fate Worse than Death.
On an unrelated note, I love how Ramsey's gimmick as a supervillain is basically "is a horror movie villain."
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 27th 2019 at 8:02:32 AM

In that case she should direct more.
Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.