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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#15726: Nov 19th 2019 at 7:01:43 PM

[up]In that case she should direct more.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#15727: Nov 19th 2019 at 9:02:37 PM

I really liked the episode especially anything to do with Ralph and Chester. By the way I can't figure out why I like Chester so much. I mean he has qualities that I would normally find annoying in a character. But for some reason he's my favorite new character this season. I however don't like Nash for reasons I also can't put my finger on.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#15728: Nov 19th 2019 at 9:32:39 PM

I don't trust Nash as far as I can throw him.

Do not obey in advance.
Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#15729: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:40:19 AM

I'm starting to think Nash is or is working for the Anti-Monitor.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#15730: Nov 20th 2019 at 5:42:33 AM

That episode was so camp,which made it extremely fun.

Nash...is very much on his own side.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#15731: Nov 20th 2019 at 3:24:57 PM

Jesus, CW, stop trying to make americans speak german.

It sounds absolutely horrendous.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#15732: Nov 21st 2019 at 9:40:32 PM

Given that it's a Bond parody, I figured the obviously awful accent was intentional.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#15733: Nov 26th 2019 at 6:04:26 PM

Well...fuck

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15734: Nov 26th 2019 at 6:12:13 PM

Yeah.

They literally do not have time for this shit either.

Ramsey has shit timing.

By the way, doesn't the Crisis literally start this sunday? How can Flash still have another episode?

No wait. I just checked. It starts December 8th, not December 1st. Got the dates wrong.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#15735: Nov 26th 2019 at 6:14:49 PM

It starts on the 8th, a week from Sunday; next week is the last episode before the crossover.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15736: Nov 26th 2019 at 6:23:21 PM

Yeah. I had my timing completely off.

So anyway, GOD DAMMIT MOHINDER!!!!

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#15737: Nov 26th 2019 at 6:23:53 PM

Wow. That was... wow.

Grant Gustin was great in this episode.

Edited by Bullman on Nov 26th 2019 at 8:27:16 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15738: Nov 26th 2019 at 6:28:40 PM

Well, we've all kinda been angry at the Speed-Force.

But I wish he'd dealt with it in another way.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#15739: Nov 26th 2019 at 7:01:31 PM

[up] This is my Ray.

Edited by Cross on Nov 26th 2019 at 10:02:05 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Cross (Don’t ask)
#15741: Nov 26th 2019 at 8:31:02 PM

Guess so, but pretty sure we're all expecting some kind of course correction and possibly a "I told you so" from the Speed Force. So I'm reserving my right to not feel bad about this later.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#15742: Nov 26th 2019 at 8:54:36 PM

Can we please give Grant Justin an oscar tho for his acting. He legit felt like someone going through a mental breakdown and it was unsettling as hell to watch.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#15743: Nov 26th 2019 at 9:28:00 PM

[up]

Sure, Why Not?

I need to know where it is so I can steal it.

.....

What?

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#15744: Nov 26th 2019 at 10:39:03 PM

the speed force didnt have a good argument. it was just hey you have to fufill your destiny of dying in two days because I say so and bloodwork was at least saying together we can save everyone.

I do wonder since they mentioned forces when talking about how the speed force is important, if the other 3 forces are gonna come into play in the latter half of the season? we got still, sage, and strength, and their combined form.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#15745: Nov 27th 2019 at 12:15:10 AM

The speed force's argument is one of the only things that brings down an otherwise great episode. It has a good argument: "giving into Ramsey would give him complete control of you, and he wants to enslave/mutate all humanity under his will." It says so right off the bat. Barry's seen Ramsey mutate an entire hospital into zombies and then melt them all the moment he no longer needed them - he knows giving him more power is a bad idea.

Problem is, the Speed Force can't keep making this argument because then the audience would wonder why Barry is going along with such an obviously bad idea and the plot would stop working. So for the rest of the episode it instead just goes "you can't make yourself stronger because I say so," and when it finally does bring it up again it's in the vaguest terms possible long after it's already too late for reason to work.

It reminded me of Daredevil Season 2, where Danny has many tangible reasons for being against Punisher's murder spree, but when they meet face to face he can't muster any argument stronger than "I'm Catholic and I say you can't do that." It's a writer's trick to fake a moral dilemma.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 27th 2019 at 12:17:13 PM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#15746: Nov 27th 2019 at 2:12:10 AM

It's a copout to what should ultimately be a complex issue.

The plot would have ended in this episode otherwise and Barry would have never succumbed.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#15747: Nov 27th 2019 at 1:34:57 PM

I mean it was great that the Speedforce, for once, got called out on its shit.

Now the only question is, who is gonna do Ramsey in?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#15748: Nov 27th 2019 at 1:51:08 PM

The Speed Force isn't a person though, it's a sentient being sure, but it's more of a concept.

Its operating under Blue-and-Orange Morality.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#15750: Nov 27th 2019 at 6:38:56 PM

[up][up][up] Imo, the best possible karmic end for Ramsey wouldn't be for him to die, but for him to meddle with his own genetics so much that he gets what he wants and lives forever - but with a Fate Worse than Death.

On an unrelated note, I love how Ramsey's gimmick as a supervillain is basically "is a horror movie villain."

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 27th 2019 at 8:02:32 AM


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