CW's Flash

I wonder if the meta objects bit is going to be used to adapt the classic weather wand - he doesn't need it, but they do like referencing it.

They did kind of fake us out with that, making it seem in the previews that Ragdoll was an object brought to life before he turned out to be a "normal "(for as far as normal goes) metahuman.

In any case, as always the Rogues are going to feel half-empty without Snart, but there's no getting around that.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

I mean, they could always try doing a version of Chillblaine, but then again, he was always a Captain Cold knock-off. Although that might actually be interesting — someone trying to copycat Captain Cold.

Say, they've introduced meta-objects this season, and we know that Captain Cold action figures are a thing that exists in the Arrowverse, so . . .

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

I don't see why Snart can't come back. Flashpoint can justify any bullshit.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.

The actor is probably busy.

Also, the Arrowverse has an apparent thing about never bringing characters back from the dead (unless they're Sarah, Malcolm and Felicity). Even Laurel was "brought back" by way of an evil version of her from the multiverse taking her place, despite there being almost as many opportunities to bring her back to life without heavily breaking status quo as there were for Snart.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Wait, Felicity came back from the dead? When?

Admittedly, I'm assuming in her case. She's been near dead a few times, though.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 18th 2018 at 11:40:29 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

When Vandal Savage blew up the city.

EDIT: And in that Doomworld, where she got her neck snapped.

Edited by Forenperser on Nov 18th 2018 at 9:59:59 PM

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Eh, those don't count. Lots of people died and came back in those.

Barry: Snart? You... you're alive? The Legends said you died!

Snart: You ever hear of a little thing called Flashpoint, Barry?

Barry: -blink- You were dead, how do you even-

Snart: Flashpoint, Barry. I'm up to speed and back to being a career criminal, all you need to know.

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!

Honestly though, Snart and Laurel are probably the Uncle Ben's of the Arrowverse, in that they might come back temporarily inn forms of flashbacks, Time Travel, Illusions etc, but their main deaths don't get undone and are actually important that way.

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And thus, Ronnie Raymond is shown to mean nothing to anymore.

One Strip! One Strip!

Oh, I haven't forgotten about him, and I still love him. But yeah, to the verse itself he doesn't seem to be very important

Well, aside from Stein's grand-son being nammed after him, that was sweet.

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I mean, Stein himself is dead, too.

With Snart, I think that, because his death was a big, dramatic Heroic Sacrifice that cemented his character turn from hero to villain, they don't want to cheapen that by undoing his death.

With Laurel, I think it's because, prior to the prophesied death in Arrow Season 4, the writers stated very clearly in interviews that this death would be permanent, in order to hype it up. Now they don't want to be seen as going back on that.

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

So we finally got the full story and explanation behind Killer Frost. This is a storyline they've teased out for a while.

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

Yeah. To think she whole time she was never a Particle Accelerator Meta at all, which means that Barry was wrong about her getting her powers from Flashpoint. In fact, it's entirely possible that her abilities would have awoken all on their own without Barry changing things.

This also means she should be immune to Cicada's powers since Dark Matter isn't their source right?

One Strip! One Strip!

Well, if all else fails, she can just, pardon the pun, ice the bastard and end things fast.

Wake me up at your own risk.

That meta with the blade arms was cool. Sad to see her die like that.

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Watching the episode now.

Did a take when they mentioned Louise Lincoln. Immediately did a double take when they mentioned Victor Fries.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Yeah. I caught both of those names as well.

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I missed the Victor Fries reference because, even though I know it's wrong and have always known it's wrong, I still pronounce it wrong in my head.

And I'm still annoyed at the way they handle the Killer Frost dual personality thing. I have no problem with the dual personalities in general; I honestly like that trope more than I probably should. My problem is that they keep insisting it's an inviolable side effect of her powers, when originally Caitlin was able to use her ice powers with absolutely no trouble, and the Killer Frost personality was mostly created because Caitlin kept associating all her negative emotions with her powers. That's one of the ways Dissociative Identity Disorder happens in real life (though it usually takes longer and/or a major trauma), so I really liked it. But then they retconned it, and that annoys me.

I think that's the result of pretty much every writer/director having a different idea of who or what Killer Frost is supposed to be. IIRC, the initial episode - still the best KF episode of the lot iirc - was done by Kevin Smith in one of just two guest director bits.

I like her nowadays, or at least I like her loads more than I did when she was Savitar's lackey, but I can't deny that she's basically The Hulk now. I wish the show did more with her and Caitlin's relationship with one another, and KF's relationship with the rest of the gang. One of the episodes (and the accompanying bit on Cisco's blog) mentions that Killer Frost sometimes hangs out with everyone without Caitlin even knowing about it, and that's something that would've been fun to see.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 21st 2018 at 9:40:19 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Just checked, and you're right, he did "Killer Frost." That episode established a lot of things about Caitlin's powers, how they worked, and how she viewed them. And then the rest of the season went somewhere else.