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#301: Feb 9th 2016 at 8:41:44 PM

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No, they were supposed to call themselves Cinema, but the idiots from the record company told them to call themselves Yes because they had 3 of the 5 members from the classic years in the lineup (and a South African guitar player who, while no Steve Howe, was pretty good nonetheless).

And yes, rock music is still relevant. Watering it down is absolute bullshit to say, because all it is doing is evolving.

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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#302: Feb 10th 2016 at 9:50:56 AM

Besides, what do we call "Shut Up And Dance" and "Ex's and Oh's"? Those were hit mainstream songs, and unquestionably rock.

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#303: Feb 10th 2016 at 10:34:42 AM

Hell, "Stressed Out" is a great rap rock song that's in the top ten right now.

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#304: Feb 11th 2016 at 11:19:53 AM

[up]That's considered rock? That's news to me.

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golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#305: Feb 11th 2016 at 9:25:30 PM

[up]According to Wikipedia, at least.

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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#306: Feb 12th 2016 at 10:24:23 AM

[up]I trust Wikipedia for a lot of things, but genre isn't one of them.

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#307: Feb 14th 2016 at 7:12:19 AM

Twenty-One Pilots is an alternative rock band that just happens to have hip-hop as a major influence.

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J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#308: Feb 16th 2016 at 3:39:50 PM

Surprisingly, i've never heard shut up and dance, exs and ohs, or stressed out on the active rock stations, at least not the ones around here. Not saying that those are the barometers for songs being rock, but you'd think that they would pick them up, if just to expand their playlist. If anything, those songs are more prominent on the pop/top 40 stations, therefore they get pigeonholded into being pop music even if they're more than just that.

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#309: Feb 17th 2016 at 12:24:42 AM

They probably played "Stressed Out" a long time ago. I remember last summer on a local alt rock station they were playing "Tear in My Heart" (another single from Blurryface) a bunch. "Shut Up and Dance" is probably too pop for an alternative station (but, then, I have heard "Cool Kids" on an alternative station before, so...). "Exes and Ohs" I literally have never heard in full anywhere so I couldn't say with that.

edited 17th Feb '16 12:26:10 AM by Odd1

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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#310: Apr 20th 2016 at 6:51:54 PM

So I've decided to just make a note of rock's supposed "death" on Popularity Polynomial instead.

I do agree that rock isn't the biggest thing in the world at the moment, but it's just in the trough of a cycle right now. It's more like a state of limbo.

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#311: Apr 20th 2016 at 7:17:39 PM

I'll never understand people who say Rock is dead/dying. There's plenty of great acts still out there. Rock is definitely alive. It pisses me off when people say a music genre is dead. As long as there's people still listening to said genre, it's not going to die. Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking retard.

StillbornMachine Since: Aug, 2015
#312: Apr 20th 2016 at 7:55:07 PM

I usually notice that "umbrella genre x is dead" is followed by "but here are some bands that are keeping it alive/moving forward" or as more easily understood "these are the bands reshaping the genre as I see fit." That's not a bad thing necessarily though as much as just poor wording.

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#313: Apr 21st 2016 at 8:12:54 AM

[up][up]please don't use the word "retard" in that way.

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WhatArtThee Since: Oct, 2015
#314: May 6th 2016 at 12:33:55 PM

Rock is NOT dead. Many, many new bands are still successful. Imagine Dragons, Maroon 5, Mumford and Sons (Folk rock), Coldplay, One Direction (Pop rock), Twenty One Pilots, songs like "Shut Up And Dance", "X's and O's", "Come With Me Now"... the list goes on. Sure, rock is lighter than the Post-Grunge/Nu Metal wave of the 2000s, but that doesn't mean it's less popular.

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#315: May 6th 2016 at 2:56:28 PM

Those are more pop groups with a bit of a rock bent to them (with the exception of Mumford & Sons).

I feel like this topic has been pretty thoroughly discussed throughout this thread at this point.

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WhatArtThee Since: Oct, 2015
#316: May 6th 2016 at 5:26:43 PM

But they are rock, though. They sound different from before, but that doesn't mean they're not. It's like saying that Nirvana aren't rock because they don't sound like Motley Crue. Music changes over time.

And you also have to remember that rock was never the dominant genre of music.

In the '60s, it was mostly the Motown R&B and Soul music.

In the '70s, it was funk, disco, and the likes.

In the '80s, it was synthpop.

In the '90s, it was gangsta rap, and since, it's been pop and rap.

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golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#317: May 6th 2016 at 5:42:54 PM

90s =/= "gangsta rap"

look, gangsta rap was never the dominant part of the 90s. not even close. if anything, it began dying in the 90s.

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Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#318: May 6th 2016 at 5:46:52 PM

The dominant part of the 90's were the explosion of various electronic music genres, from House music to Techno (not to mention stuff like Drum'n'Bass or Jungle.).

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#319: May 6th 2016 at 8:51:59 PM

Grunge was huge in the 90s, and once its popularity faded, record labels started searching desperately for the Next Big Thing. All kinds of odd genres and scenes suddenly got their 15 minutes in the limelight. Remember ska? Remember the Swing Revival (which was really more jump blues than big-band swing, but whatever)? Remember Nu Metal? Remember Weezer's first album (their only one that everyone at the time agreed was good)? Remember Britpop? And of course, there was the pop-punk revival that's somehow still hanging on.

And as previously mentioned, hip-hop and all kinds of electronic subgenres suddenly went mainstream: techno, house, trance, drum-n-bass, big beat, trip-hop, etc.

The most notable thing about the post-grunge 90s wasn't any one genre. It was the utter fragmentation of the rock scene into a million different micro-scenes.

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#320: May 8th 2016 at 12:36:00 PM

@Whatartthee: That's really a false equivalence.

They are groups that have rock songs, but I wouldn't call any of them strictly rock groups. Twenty-One Pilots, for example, has a diverse range of influences, drawing upon electronica and hip-hop just as much as they draw upon punk, pop, reggae, indie rock, etc. A lot of more popular groups these days tend to experiment with their sounds, never strictly sticking to a genre like it's the Bible. Which is a good thing.

Other groups, such as Maroon 5, began as rock groups and morphed into more general pop groups.

Nirvana very obviously came out of a rock style and kept at it throughout Kurt's entire life. I know there are different kinds of styles of rock music, and I find it a bit condescending that you would imply that I'm ignorant of this. If you really wanted to take your point to an extreme, you could've said that it's like saying Radiohead isn't rock because they don't sound like Jerry Lee Lewis.

edited 8th May '16 12:36:13 PM by Odd1

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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#321: May 10th 2016 at 8:03:20 PM

Look, I'm not going to argue that rock is dead; that implies that it's permanently gone and treated as a joke.

I just think it's in a state of limbo. Current rock hits aren't that big, and tend to be mainstream one-hit wonders at best. Again, it's Popularity Polynomial.

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#322: May 11th 2016 at 4:38:21 PM

What I need to wonder is why people care so much about rock being on mainstream pop radio.

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golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#323: May 11th 2016 at 9:00:00 PM

I don't understand either. Like, were you expecting Pink Floyd to be a radio staple in the seventies? Or Ramones a chart topper in the eighties? No. You wouldn't.

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#325: May 23rd 2016 at 5:37:15 PM

But nowadays, you decide you want to be in a rock band it’s like, ‘Oh great, let’s get you an image consultant, and a lawyer, and a manager, and let’s see what we can do here. It’s a great money making opportunity for you junior."
Yes, Flea, I'm sure that the Red Hot Chili Peppers had none of these things. You were an indie band through and through, did everything yourselves without a manager or a lawyer or anything like that.

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