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InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#76: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:29:52 PM

I would actually kill for the game to have trans options just to spite her. It's also not like trans options are also that hard for video games anyway. Everything is already in pieces in the game code anyway. Just select the pronouns and voice set and you're pretty much good to go.

Not like the story has to be *about* it either. Just let people pick what they want and they got the representation and, better yet, they don't feel singled out for picking the option.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#77: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:34:45 PM

If this game did have a trans option, i would pay to see J.K's meltdown.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#78: Sep 18th 2020 at 12:05:58 AM

Bringing in representation out of spite is probably not the right motivation to do something, but on the other hand I agree wholeheartedly with this [up].

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#79: Sep 18th 2020 at 12:14:51 AM

Doing the right thing for the wrong reason has the same result as doing it for the right reason.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#80: Sep 18th 2020 at 12:28:35 AM

Karma is karma, no matter who delivers it.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#81: Sep 18th 2020 at 1:02:47 AM

[up][up]This.

Until is actually has a negative impact somewhere, I'm not sure I care. Representation is representation. And the better it is here, the more it would probably piss her off which is a win on all fronts in my mind. Let's be real, the representation we DO get is only because someone thinks they can make money off of it; it's not artists who get to greenlight the projects that go forward. So we're already at the point of doing the right thing for wrong reasons anyway and have been for awhile now.

Though, as far as her reaction and meltdown... Considering how much she's doubled down on EVERYTHING ELSE thus far, she'd probably clean her tears with 100 Pound note and write a new check to some foundation, unfortunately.

Now, what COULD be interesting is if she ever got to the point where she pulled the plug on Potter media. Should she ever, say, cancel contracts on WB instead, she'd basically blacklist herself. While she does maintain creative control on the Potter projects, people will not look kindly on losing a lot in investments because of her.

However, I doubt she'd do anything so extreme over that. Be angry and salty; sure. But I don't think she'd care enough about a video game that she doesn't really have personal hands in. If anything I think she'd de-canonize it which would probably just result in even more people flocking to it.

Edited by InkDagger on Sep 18th 2020 at 1:03:07 AM

ImperiumAstarte Tired of this crap from Morioh Since: Feb, 2017
Tired of this crap
#82: Sep 18th 2020 at 1:10:56 AM

Will Hogwarts Legacy be on Steam?

For the Imperium!!!
InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#83: Sep 18th 2020 at 1:26:27 AM

Most likely. Other WB releases have been there.

There are options. Found a whole Twitter thread about them if someone wants a link. Kinda dismantles the "think of the dev team!" argument. And brings up that there COULD be a royalty contract where Jo-demort does get further cuts from sales post-release. I've never really heard of those in gaming before (success bonuses, yes. royalties, no), but something to look into.

Basically, waiting for a used copy means Jo doesn't make any money on the sale. However, as I mentioned above, used copies of anything are exceedingly rare these days as everything transfers to digital. Splitting the game between you and several friends also means lower sales, but still a sale. You can also wait until things like massive sales later which does probably mean less money for Jo. Or Humble Bundles which donate money and probably also would mean purchasing without giving money to Jo. And twitch streamers who have vowed to donate money to charities are a long better lines, it's also still giving money to a billionaire with all her donation funds and government ties in that little world of hers while any charity donated to is already in an uphill battle.

Basically, there's no truly ethical way to not support Jo-demort and get the game. She's already got tons of money. But, as the twitter thread explained and I will echo, the goal is to convince execs that she is a toxic asset and that her presence drives away more money than it brings in. She's already beyond two flopped films (1st did ok. 2nd didn't make back it's budget) so we're on the curve of that moment, but it hasn't quite happened yet.

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#84: Sep 18th 2020 at 6:32:48 AM

This is my cynicism at play, but I'm not convinced that these projects flopping would get blamed on her. Hollywood for instance somehow always manages to take the wrong lessons from failures; see them blaming the failure of the Catwoman film on it having a POC Woman as the lead and using that as the justification to reject all female led comic book movies for 15 years. Given the past success of the brand and top level's executives to somehow always take the wrong lessons away from anything.

Plus not to nitpick but while neither film did amazing at the box office and fell short of expectations both did turn a profit. 2 whilst performing the worst out of any film in the franchise made almost a billion in profit.

drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#85: Sep 18th 2020 at 8:36:15 AM

Hell, sometimes Hollywood takes the wrong lessons from successes:

"Wow, that Batman movie made by that Tim Burton guy proved really popular! You know what that means?

"That people want more movies based on popular comic book characters?"

"No, that's stupid. Batman was originally inspired by pulp heroes, so clearly what the audience wants are more movies based on characters from the 1930s that they've barely even heard of!"

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#86: Sep 18th 2020 at 8:52:20 AM

Fantastic beasts 2 failed because it was a bad movie.

J.K wasn't as vocal about discrimination on transgender people as she was back then, despite there being hints.

So at least now is a good time to get off a boat that is also sinking in quality.

J.K's future projects WILL be viewed in much harsher lenses because of Twitter rants now though.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 18th 2020 at 11:52:30 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#87: Sep 18th 2020 at 9:04:50 AM

If, for some reason, the game bombs and it's attributed to Joanne's personal views, even if she's not directly financially affected (ie she already got paid), it can help create an impression that she's no longer commercially viable. "Game do bad" isn't the end goal, but a theoretical stepping stone. Beasts 2 has shown that not everything she touches turns to gold, and if companies begin finding her more a liability than an asset, that's a good thing.

Trans options would be great... but a part of me just thinks it would be hilarious if at the start up screen it asks "Does your birth certificate say male or female?" and you're locked into that for the game.

[down] I don't think anything's been thumpable. We've been directly talking about how Joanne's policies affect the game, both in terms of sales and our reactions to it. If we spun off onto a tangent solely about transgender rights, or just plain her views on it, that would be another story.

Edited by Larkmarn on Sep 18th 2020 at 12:12:50 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#88: Sep 18th 2020 at 9:08:32 AM

Man, we are talking about rendering J.K Rowling into a financial liability... I think we are going down a dark road, even if it's J.K. who has publicly expressed contemptable views.

Moving on, before any mods think of thumping us, is there anything that looks fun in this game? I'd like to try any potion classes.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 18th 2020 at 12:09:25 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#89: Sep 18th 2020 at 11:27:03 AM

The magical creatures looked impressive, at least. Hopefully, the batch of students is likable enough. And let's see how a stable DADA teacher looks.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#90: Sep 18th 2020 at 6:02:51 PM

It's not a great start when people are talking more about someone who isn't even involved with the game than the game itself. Granted we only got a teaser trailer so far so it's still a bit thin on gameplay details.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#91: Sep 18th 2020 at 6:16:12 PM

Yeah, there's not much info besides it taking place in the 1800's.

The legend has returned.
Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#92: Sep 18th 2020 at 7:18:16 PM

My British history is pretty bare bones, what was the UK like in the late 1800s?

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#93: Sep 18th 2020 at 7:22:34 PM

Isn't that Victorian England, where everything was super stuffy, prim, and proper?

The legend has returned.
Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#94: Sep 18th 2020 at 7:31:45 PM

So my media-consuming brain hears that and connects it to Black Butler, Sherlock Holmes and Jack the Ripper. Also lot's of fog.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#95: Sep 18th 2020 at 7:38:25 PM

I just hope there aren't any villains trying to stop historical massacres and are labelled evil for it.

Which was a huge deal breaker for Fantastic beasts 2.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#96: Sep 18th 2020 at 8:02:32 PM

1800s England was when rich people successfully lobbied to have poverty seen as a moral failure, destroying the social safety net that had been in place and leading to the establishment of hellish poor houses. Ever read anything by Dickens?

Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#97: Sep 18th 2020 at 8:09:14 PM

I swear to god if that masked bad guy is MAGIC!JACKTHERIPPER.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#98: Sep 18th 2020 at 8:14:00 PM

Did wizards have plumbing at this point or were they still doing the drop it where your standing type deal?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#99: Sep 18th 2020 at 8:19:03 PM

Then there is the whole Empire thing going on, but dunno how to even approach that.

Wake me up at your own risk.
InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#100: Sep 18th 2020 at 8:44:38 PM

[up]There's racial diversity in the trailer, so, I assume we're taking the smart route and NOT dealing with it.

[up][up]Now I want a sidequest based around how stupid that was.


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