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What If Victor Frankenstein Had Actually Raised His Creation?

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ElectricalLass from California Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#1: Jan 7th 2014 at 7:15:26 PM

How would the Creature turn out if Victor had not abandoned him? It's clear that the Creature would be at least a somewhat decent person if not for society's rejection of him and cruelty to him. What if the Creature ( you know what , I'm calling him Adam from now on , that's what Mary called the Creature in her letters) was introduced to others and passed off as Victor's deformed son?

edited 7th Jan '14 7:16:55 PM by ElectricalLass

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CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#2: Jan 7th 2014 at 11:15:38 PM

I imagine things would have turned out better, though the Creature did tend to inspire revulsion on everyone who looked at him, even when he was being peaceful. One can only imagine how the first few social calls would have gone.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#3: Jan 8th 2014 at 9:19:19 AM

It wouldn't have been pleasant, but it might have been less violent. If Victor's willing to stick around, there's no saying he'd be unwilling to train the creature to continue his work. A race of those things able to withstand the cold of the Arctic? They'd go up North and form a colony where the rest of the human race wouldn't bug them. The cold would also preserve them, allowing them to last longer.

I know decomposition isn't a thing in the story, but let's face it. It would have happened eventually.

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#4: Jan 8th 2014 at 9:21:30 AM

If I remember right, Franky was actually a pretty sweet guy at first.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#5: Jan 8th 2014 at 9:22:11 AM

There's gotta be a Young Frankenstein reference I can make somewhere in this thread.

Oh really when?
ElectricalLass from California Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#6: Jan 8th 2014 at 10:42:58 AM

Maybe he might even find love. The deformed , eloquent , intelligent "son" of man from a wealthy and influential Genevan family would make a somewhat apealing potential husband.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#7: Jan 8th 2014 at 11:26:55 AM

I expect that Victor raising the creature would have resulted in a Madwoman in the Attic kind of plot, with Victor trying to keep his repulsive creature a secret for as long as he could. Depending on how the creature would have reacted to being treated that way, the plot might not even have turned out that differently, except his hatred would probably not have been as focused on Victor specifically.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#8: Jan 8th 2014 at 11:28:53 AM

[up][up][up][up] He was at first. It was the continual bombardment of negativity from the people he met that broke him. Victor being there would have softened the blow since Frank could lean on him for support and guidance, but the way Frank went in the actual story was likely either way.

edited 8th Jan '14 11:29:24 AM by Journeyman

ElectricalLass from California Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#9: Jan 8th 2014 at 12:58:54 PM

We should start refering to him as Adam now. That's what Mary called him in her letters.

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ElectricalLass from California Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#10: Jan 8th 2014 at 9:21:35 PM

Do you think that he could find love? Deformed people quite often find love.

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Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#11: Jan 9th 2014 at 6:34:37 PM

He was more than deformed, though. He looked sickly and strong at the same time. He might find love with one of his own kind, but I doubt Adam would have the attentions of human suitors.

Especially when they found out what he's really made of. It'd be way too close to Necrophilia.

ElectricalLass from California Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#12: Jan 9th 2014 at 7:19:55 PM

[up] Stranger things have happened.

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ElectricalLass from California Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#13: Jan 10th 2014 at 9:23:45 PM

Anyone want to collaborate on a series based on this premise?

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ElectricalLass from California Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#14: Jan 13th 2014 at 7:48:42 PM

So , what sort of person might he be ?

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Laura from Shintolin Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#15: Jan 14th 2014 at 6:15:10 PM

He could have been nice. He was smart, he was good-hearted... if only, if only.

He's the Doctor. He could be anywhere in time and space.
ElectricalLass from California Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#16: Jan 15th 2014 at 2:13:15 PM

[up] What occupations might he be good at?

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#17: Jan 16th 2014 at 8:22:12 AM

There are two scenarios to be considered here. Would Victor learn to love his creation and try to be a good father, or would he raise the Creature out of obligation, even though he couldn't stand the sight of him? If the latter is the case, then it might as well end up very similar to The Hunchbackof Notre Dame.

edited 16th Jan '14 8:24:19 AM by Nightwire

ElectricalLass from California Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#18: Jan 17th 2014 at 9:38:51 PM

[up] I think that it would be the latter at first , and later the former.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#19: Jan 21st 2014 at 2:11:53 PM

People may be forgetting here that Adam was eight and a half feet tall. There's no way he was going to be passed off as human.

There's some question of if he could have found love with his own kind; some of the things he says when he forces Victor to make his bride indicated that he would gain no enjoyment from her aesthetics; but perhaps this is only because of the horrible experiences he holds his own aesthetic accountable for. Maybe he would be able to enjoy the sight of his own kind if he was raised in a loving, err, child-hood.

Though it would have been likely if Victor hadn't rejected him he would have had siblings, as Victor was planning to create a new race at one point in the beginning.

I do wonder to myself if Victor would ever have presented Adam to the university; at first the project started out as an academic project; but that completely went out of the window when he vanished for several months without any word of if he'd fallen ill or something.

pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#20: Jan 22nd 2014 at 10:46:52 AM

To paraphrase someone else - I think it may have been China Mieville - "Frankenstein's sin was not in creating his Creature, it was in refusing to take responsibility for it". I think that's pretty reasonable. I mean, really, that's why the Creature became a Monster.

Edit: found the quotation I was after.

...I regularly see Frankenstein’s monster described as a warning against scientific hubris, an alarum about Tampering With Things That Should Be Left Alone™. This I think is quite wrong: I think it is a story about what happens when one fails the (still at the time of writing) radical enlightenment by failing to take social responsibility for one’s actions and interventions. If it’s a warning, it’s a warning about turning one’s back, out of cowardice, on what one creates, not about creating it in the first place.

edited 22nd Jan '14 10:49:20 AM by pagad

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ElectricalLass from California Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#21: Jan 22nd 2014 at 1:11:19 PM

[up][up] No , he could be passed off as human . He could slouch or otherwise try to make himself look smaller . And besides ...... the tallest man ever recorded was 8 ' 11 '' . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wadlow

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#22: Jan 24th 2014 at 11:32:46 AM

Yes, but eight foot six means he would never be able to be anything other than the elephant in the room, and only the educated of his time would pass him off as no different from circus people. Though the educated may notice his translucent skin 'that barely concealed the ligaments beneath' as something unprecedented.

Sadly I get the impression the creature had no choice but to be this unfortunate size, I recall Victor talking about the decision to make him of such stature, he did it so that the frame would be large enough to work on I believe?

Really, what general people thought of the Creature wouldn't have mattered in my mind as long as he had a family of some sort and a foundation. If Victor did go one to make siblings and kept his child hidden for a while, I think the Creature wouldn't have had a happy life, but certainly not a miserable one.

ElectricalLass from California Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#23: Jan 25th 2014 at 9:40:34 AM

Well , even if he couldn't pass for a human in person , perhaps some one might find love with him . Perhaps they could be in correspondence via letters , fall for each other, and latter meet in person. Or perhaps some scientifically minded eccentric might like him after Victor introduces him to the scientific community.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#24: Jan 26th 2014 at 4:33:56 PM

I think Victor at least believed the creature could only bread with his own kind. At least he wasn't worrying about the creature procreating until he started work on the second.

Maybe this is further reason why The Creature would require the company of his own kind in the long run.

And then more logistical questions of what is the Creature's life span? Would he find the life of humans fleeting? His lack of need for rest as well raises the question of if he would bore of the silence of night time in human cities. Would his lack of need for human levels shelter and food leave him unmotivated for human work standards when he could live happily of the land if he wished?

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