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KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Dec 29th 2013 at 11:20:09 AM

Fighteer brought up in Ask The Tropers that the main trope articles must be readable before being witty.

Nontheless, there are tropes out there which are self demonstrating, yet aren't clear enough to explain what the trope's about.

A solution is to make these articles not self demonstrating, and, if we want to keep a self-demonstrating version, move that version over to the Self Demonstrating namespace.


First bogie:

Opposite Day: It uses negatives all over the place. Heck, even the examples themselves.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Dec 29th 2013 at 1:04:20 PM

I don't think Opposite Day is unclear.

And simply being self-demonstrating isn't bad.

edited 29th Dec '13 1:04:33 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Dec 29th 2013 at 1:17:00 PM

[up]The general consensus on Ask The Tropers was that Opposite Day went too far.

Dec 31st 2013 at 2:52:07 PM

Making Pardon My Klingon self-demonstrating always annoyed me, because it mixes references to a dozen or so fandoms.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Jan 9th 2014 at 2:48:43 AM

Dinosaur Comics is self demonstrating where an ordinary description may do better.

It self-demonstrates by using the same template comic as the main comic itself.

Heck, it has gotten around the limit of how much width the forums support by using multiple images instead of one.

edited 9th Jan '14 2:49:23 AM by KarjamP

SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jan 9th 2014 at 2:53:14 AM

"May do better" - honestly, "It probably doesn't". I would keep that description.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Jan 9th 2014 at 3:41:17 AM

That's why I'm bringing it here.

I'm uncertain if it's okay or not.

SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jan 9th 2014 at 3:47:10 AM

By my own standard, a Self Demonstrating article is acceptable if it doesn't affect the readability. This one doesn't really.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jan 9th 2014 at 6:14:44 AM

Webcomic.Dinosaur Comics is fine as it is. Changing it to paragraphs of text won't make it any clearer.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jan 12th 2014 at 2:42:20 PM

The description is easily comprehensible as-is; I didn't look at the examples.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Jan 13th 2014 at 1:28:37 PM

[up]Yes, but it can be disjointing to some people (I think).

Jan 15th 2014 at 8:13:32 AM

The spoilered out part at least should go. Spoiler tags do not belong in trope descriptions, self-demonstrating or not.

Feb 23rd 2014 at 9:11:59 AM

I'm bumping this thread to call attention to the Gratuitous Foreign Language tropes, whose folder labels are in their respective language instead of English. This makes it hard to know which folder corresponds to what if you're not familiar with the language. I did Gratuitous French, but even though I know French, re-organizing the folders to be in alphabetical order after translating their labels was a pain in the ass, so I'm not gonna do the other languages, which I am not as familiar with (at least not right now).

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Feb 25th 2014 at 10:04:19 AM

The one to Gratuitous Japanese got around that by mentioning the name in English around brackets ON the form's names AND have said folders be in the English alphabetical order, so that one's technically alright.

Perhaps we can preserve the self demonstrating-ness by having them all follow Gratuitous Japanese's example?

Also, perhaps have the English first so as to be less disjointing.

edited 25th Feb '14 10:09:54 AM by KarjamP

supergod Walking the Earth from the big city
Walking the Earth
Mar 2nd 2014 at 3:12:47 PM

That Pardon My Klingon page looks fine and I personally like it, but that's just my irrelevant opinion.

For we shall slay evil with logic...
Mar 7th 2014 at 12:38:26 PM

I like the Dinosaur Comics one but the Opposite Day one is annoying. Even with a self demonstrating description I think the examples need to be normal.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Mar 8th 2014 at 12:17:20 AM

[up]I know.

Heck, it even crept into the examples, if you were to read them!

Stratadrake Dragon Writer
Dragon Writer
Mar 9th 2014 at 10:50:43 AM

Does this thread extend to Example as a Thesis pages?

Beacuse I just stumbled across Exiled From Canon and boy does that page describe itself entirely around one (hypothetical) example.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Mar 9th 2014 at 1:54:01 PM

[up]Technically, that's trying to squeeze the thing into the definition on what "Self demonstrating" is. tongue

That belongs in the Trope Description Improvement Drive thread.

edited 9th Mar '14 1:57:01 PM by KarjamP

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Mar 14th 2014 at 12:01:34 AM

Accentuate the Negative has ridiculously long folder names as if to invoke Overly Long Gag.

Particularly bad if you're using the new folder system.

Stratadrake Dragon Writer
Dragon Writer
Mar 16th 2014 at 3:01:27 PM

I think the self-demonstrating nature of Leaning on the Fourth Wall might need to go.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
Mar 17th 2014 at 6:15:12 AM

Um, is any one of us willing to actually go and attempt to do the cleanups instead of just reporting them?

May 31st 2014 at 10:42:44 PM

I fixed the examples in Opposite Day, but I left the description as-is for now; while fixing the examples, though, I noticed that the description has led to some minor misunderstandings of the trope — does it refer to the concept of Opposite Day specifically, or any situation where people constantly say the opposite of what they mean, for any reason? The examples cover both, and I assume that part of the reason is because the description just comes off as a joke.

Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Jul 11th 2014 at 7:31:15 AM

Valley Girl is Self Demonstrating, but it does seem clear enough. That said, I worry that my opinion might be myopic since I already am quite clear on what the trope is.

Also, some of the examples are self demonstrating. Is that cool?


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