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A general discussion thread for all things DC Comics. Topics may be split off into their own threads if necessary. That said, since there's already a thread for the D Cn U (aka Nu52), this one would probably stick to pre-Nu52 comics to avoid redundancy.

I've always wondered if there's a justification for Wonder Woman's outfit being designed after a modern-day one-piece swimsuit/leotard instead of something that would fit her Greco-Roman mythological background (e.g. Amazons were more often than not depicted as wearing trousersnote ). A few attempted redesigns had her adopt Lady Legionnaire Wear for a skirt, but they never stuck. And then of course, there's her pants-wearing design during J. Michael Straczynski's run (courtesy of artist Jim Lee).

edited 27th Dec '13 7:51:31 AM by MarqFJA

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#24501: Jan 21st 2025 at 9:26:34 AM

The tech to get your brain into another body is out there in certain circles on the DCU, so there is always the chance that some fool wants superpowers tries that.

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#24502: Jan 21st 2025 at 9:53:14 AM

God of Freedom.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1000019819.jpg

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#24503: Jan 21st 2025 at 11:37:44 AM

Half of the evil actions Amanda does now would be best left for General Eiling. Turning him into Red Hulk 2.0 was a mistake.

I thought Eiling's Shaggy Man phase was before Red Hulk debuted.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24504: Jan 21st 2025 at 12:02:49 PM

I believe it was. He predates Red Hulk by quite a few years if I recall.

One Strip! One Strip!
TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#24505: Jan 21st 2025 at 12:07:17 PM

Yeah, Shaggy Man Eiling was from Morrison JLA.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24506: Jan 21st 2025 at 12:16:05 PM

So if anything, Ross ripped Eiling off.

Hell, even their animated incarnations had Eiling beating Ross to the punch.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#24507: Jan 21st 2025 at 12:17:47 PM

Its amusing how JLA made him more of a grey skinned Hulk using the Captain Nazi serum.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24508: Jan 21st 2025 at 9:04:16 PM

Random questions.

What's Vixen doing right now?

Has her power-set changed in any way?

Can she use the abilities of more than one animal at once?

I know there was a brief time where her powers got buffed to allow her to copy meta human powers, and the skills of any person since humans kinda count as animals, but that got taken away after a while.

I haven't heard much about her in years, so I got curious.

One Strip! One Strip!
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#24509: Jan 21st 2025 at 9:09:26 PM

Waller's thing is, basically, she's meant to be Lawful Neutral.

She represents the United States government and is My Country, Right or Wrong.

But she should never be incompetent or evil (except, well, she's enslaved people with explosives and uses them as suicide troopers).

But I think part of the nuance is lost because the Suicide Squad and its name. The name loses a lot of its irony when you remove the fact that the original holders chose it for themselves as the people who took the missions needed to defeat the Nazis at all costs.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#24510: Jan 22nd 2025 at 1:30:52 AM

So if anything, Ross ripped Eiling off.

Granted, Eiling himself was created as a more malicious version of Ross, so it's more of a full circle moment.

What's Vixen doing right now?

She'll be in the DC Power anthology series which will have four different stories. Her story will be a team up with Bolt to deal with anti-metahuman sentiment in a hospital.

Has her power-set changed in any way?

Not as far as I can tell.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#24511: Jan 22nd 2025 at 3:17:16 AM

We don't know if that's going to be a series yet, currently it's only a one-shot.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#24513: Jan 22nd 2025 at 5:30:29 AM

But she should never be incompetent or evil (except, well, she's enslaved people with explosives and uses them as suicide troopers).

Originally, the explosives were only used on the more unruly squaddies and they 'only' blew your arm up.

Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.
SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#24514: Jan 22nd 2025 at 6:38:20 AM

I've just read the latest issue of Metamorpho and I have to ask if anyone who isn't British and over forty got this joke from Mad Mod?

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/mod_on_rockers.jpg

Freshwater Since: Apr, 2023
#24515: Jan 22nd 2025 at 6:55:19 AM

It's kind of hard to have Waller not be evil even at her best. Threatening to blow any part of someone up, if they don't do what you want is always going to be evil. It's also hard to argue Waller is working for the great good when most of the time she's working for a small subset of humanity without any oversight or restraint.

I think Justice League Unlimited handled it best by both turning down most of her evil and by have her realize that she was the bad guy to a degree and change course.

Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#24516: Jan 22nd 2025 at 6:56:32 AM

[up] mad mod can be described as, he's hypnotizes people and he's british

IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#24517: Jan 22nd 2025 at 8:28:20 AM

The way Marvel did it, when Heroes For Hire had caught on to the fact the Thunderbolts were all super villains, but that they had legitimately reformed with the exceptions of Zemo and Moonstone, was to recruit more incarcerated criminals into the "Thunderbolts" with the wrongly convicted Luke Cage's oversight. The reward for competent, complicity service was to reduce their sentences, circumstances depending. There was no "Do what I say or get blown up." Prove to be a problem and you get thrown back in prison.

That's actually the impression I got from Amanda Waller, in Wonder Woman volume five. Wonder Woman had to go through Waller when seeking high profile volunteers for community service projects. The same reward was there, at least. We're letting you out for awhile. Do what you're told, don't make a mess, and we reduce your jail time. In volume six, however, it was clear Amanda, and Sarge were now evil stooges at best, and despite all ways around it, it wasn't this new Sovereign guy's lasso of lies affecting them, it's wasn't that mysterious glowing gold eye thing, it wasn't Doctor Psycho, these two were stubbornly rotten all on their own. From this thread I already knew Waller had been a despotic villain for quite some time, but there wasn't even acknowledgement that she used to have a decent, professional relationship with the protagonist(though volume six barely acknowledges any of volume five or Infinite Frontier).

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IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#24518: Jan 22nd 2025 at 8:31:38 AM

Sebastian Gray? I don't know if it helps, but in the UK, there was a period of time where the modernist movement was associated with motor scooter gangs, while rock music was associated with motorcycle gangs. The two would fight each other(never mind the fact scooter gangs also fought other scooter gangs, bikers other bikers) so mods versus rockers kind of became a thing in pop culture, even though one was a clothing style and the other was a music style.

I don't know if that makes the joke more sensible to you, but that's the impression I got.

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SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#24519: Jan 22nd 2025 at 8:37:59 AM

[up]I probably didn't make myself clear (I have a habit of doing that). I understood that the joke was about the mods and rockers, it's just such an old and obscure reference that I wondered if anyone else did. Also Mod's look here seems to be based on Jimmy Savile which is... odd.

Edited by SebastianGray on Jan 22nd 2025 at 4:39:01 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#24520: Jan 22nd 2025 at 9:58:55 AM

As originally structured, the Suicide Squad weren't forced to go on missions or get blown up. They were given the opportunity to go on missions in exchange for release from prison. The bombs were there to insure that, once out on a mission, they didn't just immediately make a run for it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#24521: Jan 22nd 2025 at 1:54:37 PM

Summer of Superman Initiative announced

With the centerpiece being the Summer of Superman Special, a 48 page issue written by Dan Slott, Mark Waid, and Joshua Williamson handled in 3 acts all drawn by Jorge Jimenez whose finally returning to Superman after years of being on the Batman ongoing.

Also Lana Lang and John Henry Irons are finally getting married.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#24522: Jan 23rd 2025 at 12:41:49 PM

Huh this weird.

So the current Creature Commandos comic (no relation to Frankenstein Agents of Shade or the cartoon version) features Brainiac as the main villain. Was someone here really into Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League or did they think they could do better than the game?

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/cc1_1.png

Like you could have went with any villain especially since the comic constructs an entirely new incarnation of the team but you just had to shoot for the heavyweight. You don't need your military squad type to be fighting the big alien conquerors, that's way out of their paygrade.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#24523: Jan 23rd 2025 at 12:48:24 PM

Maybe that's the point.

Put them up against an absolutely huge threat that seems way out of their league to create some dire straights as you now wonder how they'll pull off the victory.

Now, whether the comic can execute that well is another story, but we'll just have to wait and see.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#24524: Jan 23rd 2025 at 12:59:05 PM

But you could also just do any other kind of threat thats also more believable instead of going for the biggest dog possible.

Its the whole Darkseid issue. Its boring to just jump straight to Darkseid when you could try other kinds of villains and threats with more appropriate scale.

Like from little I've read the wolf person (the black woman on the cover) appears to be a civilian (werewolf state aside) not a trained soldier of any kind. This is way beyond her experience level.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#24525: Jan 23rd 2025 at 1:19:59 PM

Brainiac was also the villain of the hardware vs icon milestone mini from last year.

Edited by Deadpoolrocks on Jan 23rd 2025 at 1:22:08 AM


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