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A general discussion thread for all things DC Comics. Topics may be split off into their own threads if necessary. That said, since there's already a thread for the D Cn U (aka Nu52), this one would probably stick to pre-Nu52 comics to avoid redundancy.

I've always wondered if there's a justification for Wonder Woman's outfit being designed after a modern-day one-piece swimsuit/leotard instead of something that would fit her Greco-Roman mythological background (e.g. Amazons were more often than not depicted as wearing trousersnote ). A few attempted redesigns had her adopt Lady Legionnaire Wear for a skirt, but they never stuck. And then of course, there's her pants-wearing design during J. Michael Straczynski's run (courtesy of artist Jim Lee).

edited 27th Dec '13 7:51:31 AM by MarqFJA

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#23226: Jul 12th 2024 at 3:59:38 AM

Reminded of the previous convo of the New God's cast, I like Young Justice' redesign of the Forever People characters.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/forever_people.png

I feel it's a good modernization of their designs, give them a more slick and stylish look especially since from what I recall the Forever People were the least popular of the original 4th World books.

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#23227: Jul 12th 2024 at 4:48:53 AM

Did they ever unfuck the Blue Lantern Corps? I thought that was nihilistic bullshit.

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#23228: Jul 12th 2024 at 6:00:37 AM

[up][up]I wouldn't mind seeing those designs in a comic.

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#23229: Jul 12th 2024 at 6:25:10 AM

The Apathy Lanterns never show up for any crisis, they just stay home.

Edited by TomWithoutJerry on Jul 12th 2024 at 6:27:00 AM

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#23230: Jul 12th 2024 at 7:28:10 AM

*chimes in for my first discussion forum post*

Hello, I'm Allister and I am the person doing some massive reworking on ComicBook.Aquaman (together with my best friend and fellow Aquaman stan, lalalei2001 - we're doing this together ^^) to make examples less specific for later Aq runs, and more accurately talk about his comic history in general.

Early versions of Aquaman and his mythos are very important to us, and we appreciate his long history in general <3

Edited by Allisterarch on Jul 12th 2024 at 11:46:28 AM

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#23231: Jul 12th 2024 at 7:41:05 AM

[up]This is probably better dealt with on the DC cleanup and maintenance thread.

Edited by GateStarX on Jul 12th 2024 at 7:41:24 AM

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#23232: Jul 12th 2024 at 7:45:21 AM

[up] Thank you for your notif!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#23233: Jul 12th 2024 at 8:36:22 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Oh yeah its definitely something that could be backported to the comics. Feels like a good update on some New Gods concepts which the setting needs.

Currently reading the new Barda gn and there's a bit of the Furies facing the New Genesis team compromised of Orion, Lightray, and Bug. Which yeah the New Gen team really needs some boosting to their roster.

[up][up][up] Hello, thats really cool. I'm glad the Aquaman is finally getting expanded and updated, I always thought it should be more built upon for the character so great that you two are doing this. I especially like the new image for the Aquaman comics page, its a gorgeous picture.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 12th 2024 at 8:37:18 AM

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#23234: Jul 12th 2024 at 9:33:18 AM

[up]Thank you! We can't take credit for the new image though, it was Gate Star X's own suggestion.

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#23235: Jul 12th 2024 at 3:01:20 PM

The Forever People's first appearance in Young Justice was, bar none, the best presentation I've seen for the characters. It made them immediately lovable as this out-of-context element, this bizarre lore bomb that existed outside of the context of anything, and Superboy's incomprehension of their entire deal was effective for introducing them.

I really hope Ukazu covers the Forever People after the Orion book, if she gets to do another Fourth World GN. To me, their original series is a story of highs and lows. On the positive side, Forever People was the series that actually developed Darkseid as a character, with Desaad and Glorious Godfrey being introduced/defined along the way; it built up the lore of Anti-Life, especially in an excellent story about a rich businessman whose use of an incomplete Anti-Life required Darkseid and Desaad to operate in disguise; and was, for the most part, a better read than New Gods and on reflection, more crucial to the mythos of the Fourth World as developed post-Kirby. But then there's the low: the heroes. Big Bear is just Silver Age Beast in a new universe, Serifan's a bit of a gimmick, the rest are ciphers with ill-defined powers. I get why they've been left in the dust for the most part, but it feels like there's potential there.

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#23236: Jul 12th 2024 at 7:05:00 PM

I just started reading Ram V's The Vigil. Assuming it isn't a spoiler, are Dodge's powers just intangibility? It feels like she has some form of super speed as well but I can't really tell.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#23237: Jul 12th 2024 at 7:16:04 PM

I recall its super-speed. Her thing is that her body can't really handle her powers so she needs cybernetics to keep up and even afterwards she can't overuse them lest she overtaxes her body.

[up][up] Yeah the New Genesis side really needs a firmer roster, its pretty much just Orion, Lightray, and Bug who consistently appear due to that side of the setting being unfortunately underdeveloped. The Forever People being a band of younger Gods to contrast Orion as the veteran commander does a lot to add to the variety of the New Gen forces.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 12th 2024 at 7:16:27 AM

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#23238: Jul 12th 2024 at 7:59:54 PM

Pointing out how DC has mishandled the New Gods in favor of Darkseid being a GOAT is one of those more recent recurring trends I've seen in this forum

wild mass guessIf the UV Corps is supposed to be guilt and shame I like to think the Infrared Corps would be close to the Apathy Corps. And since the invisible spectrum Corps is evil apparently that apathy would take the form of The Sociopath, Stopped Caring and Lack of Empathy, basically an anti Indigo effect. They could use White and Red and Eerie All Over to not look like Red Lanterns

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#23239: Jul 12th 2024 at 9:36:22 PM

I have to say, I never really cared for the whole "emotional spectrum" thing from the Green Lantern franchise. Part of it is things like Indigo Lanterns...indigo isn't really one of the colors of the spectrum—it was added by Sir Isaac Newton so that the number of the colors would equal 7, which he felt had magical significance, and he was as much a devotee of magic and alchemy and whatnot as he was of science. And white and black aren't colors at all—white is the combination of all colors, and black is the absence of color. I find I can't turn my brain off to stuff like that, which I freely admit is more my problem than anyone else's.

Edited by Robbery on Jul 12th 2024 at 9:37:04 AM

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#23240: Jul 12th 2024 at 9:39:46 PM

The argument could be made that Cyan would be a better 7th color than Indigo. It's more distinct at least.

But that is a tangent.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#23241: Jul 12th 2024 at 9:40:25 PM

white and black being that way is explicit in universe though. white is all emotions/colors and is life itself and black is no emotion/death

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#23242: Jul 12th 2024 at 10:10:50 PM

Also doesn’t indigo basically stand in for purple? I’d assume they went with Indigo because it sound better than Purple Lantern. The standardizer in me would like a simple color lantern scheme but why went with unique names for some of them, like Sinestro Corps, Star Sapphires, and Indigo Tribe instead of Yellow Lantern, Pink Lantern, and Purple Lanterns.

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#23243: Jul 12th 2024 at 11:38:55 PM

I can relate, I have trouble ignoring aspects of the emotional spectrum too. I should appreciate it. It's one of the few instances of a super hero power/origin becoming sillier instead of "deeper" or more "serious", but I have basically the same issue with the system that I have with Superman and his "suns", and I don't care for the concept of The Green Lantern Corps to begin with. To me Jade and Obsidian are a more natural evolution of Green Lantern. The Corps seems like it should be more to Alan Scott what the Legion of Superheroes are to Superman; a team inspired by Alan Scott's example that he occasionally gives his aide to, when the writer wants a scenery change, not the "core" of the entire sub franchise that Alan Scott hangs off of.

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#23244: Jul 13th 2024 at 4:38:58 AM

[up][up] I believe they went with indigo cause of the 7 colors thing.

Violent, Indigo, Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange, and Red.

So as odd as it's inclusion may be it's a reference to a real life thing.

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#23245: Jul 13th 2024 at 9:55:49 AM

The emotional spectrum always read the same way as The Flash introducing ten other variations of the speed-force. It felt like extra add-ons to a pretty simple concept.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#23246: Jul 13th 2024 at 9:58:32 AM

I agree. And that's ignoring that the Speed Force has gotten a bit silly as well.

Anyway, came here for another question that just hit me.

How powerful is Fire / Beatriz Da'Costa?

Like, is she Johnny Storm Tier and capable of Nova flame type shit, or is she much lower than that?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#23247: Jul 13th 2024 at 10:04:48 AM

In all fairness the various Lantern Corps are legitimately popular additions to the GL franchise and are part of why Johns run was so successful.

Sure extra additions since then have been convoluted but the Red Lanterns, Blue Lanterns and Larzleeze are all filled with popular characters in their own right.

The extra Forces though was never well received even in Williamson's Flash run that is well regarded for the most part.

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#23248: Jul 13th 2024 at 10:13:21 AM

What about the Arrowverse? The flash TV show also used those extra forces (even the STILL FORCE, and that was disjointed from the others)

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#23249: Jul 13th 2024 at 10:24:01 AM

Unfortunately the Arrowverse did not do them any favors.

The Forces arc of the show was very maligned even by the standards of Flash's later seasons. Very bad special effects, the Forces characters weren't very cool, and there was a bizarre element of Barry and Iris considering the Forces holders literally their children cause Barry technically created the powers despite the holders of the powers being grown adults.

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#23250: Jul 13th 2024 at 10:34:15 AM

Oh yeah like Atrocitus, saint walker, etc. All beloved heroes and villians.

Not so much the forces.

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