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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#12052: Nov 13th 2019 at 4:30:03 PM

[up]darkseid became the avatar of nekron and told mister miracle that if they used dove to use the source/white life energy to stop nekron it would reset everything but the new gods still alive would survive so scott would be alive eternally alone without barda so scott kills dove. sinestro is a limbo lantern, half white and half black and decides lobo is a good enough source of life considering every drop of his blood can regenerate into a full lobo, so he uses his white lantern powers on lobo but it makes every new life in the universe part lobo and its exactly as bad as it sounds with sinestro trapped and trying to escape this universe he made

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#12053: Nov 13th 2019 at 10:55:53 PM

So according to someone in the CBR Deathstroke thread, Christopher Priest has been trying to pitch a Power Girls miniseries starring Karen and Tanya but DC keeps rejecting him.

FrozenWolf2 Horni Demon LORD from HORNI LAND Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Horni Demon LORD
#12054: Nov 14th 2019 at 7:08:50 AM

So at the moment

I'd rank the Tales of the Dark Verse as

Death of Superman

Blackest Night

and

Knightfall last

Knightfall is just ruined by the Ending

Blackest night is pretty good but it seems to set something that doesn't pay off plus it kinda makes the black lanterns straight up Zombies 'even comparing them to a Plague

Scott just being a Fuck Boi and ruining everyhting seemed really weak when you had dove waffling between Hope and Despair

Also IXNAY ON THE HOLLY EH returns

Death of Superman, is probably the most straight forward only losing points for wasting Sups resurrection

I'm A Pervert not an Asshole!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#12055: Nov 14th 2019 at 7:26:30 AM

So according to someone in the CBR Deathstroke thread, Christopher Priest has been trying to pitch a Power Girls miniseries starring Karen and Tanya but DC keeps rejecting him.
Dammit, DC, do whatever Priest wants!

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#12057: Nov 17th 2019 at 10:34:02 AM

I made a page for Far Sector, which is pretty damn good. Only one issue, but I highly recommend it for any science fiction fans. It's a sci-fi murder mystery set in the "City Enduring," a City Planet of twenty billion beings, where the main character is a Green Lantern.

JTTWlover Heya there! I'm West. from Chinese Heaven Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Heya there! I'm West.
#12058: Nov 17th 2019 at 10:36:02 AM

(Short) Review Black Canary: Ignite

Nice story but, DINAH DON’T DESTROY YOUR SECRET IDENTITY LIKE THAT YOU ARE MY AGE BUT WHAT THE HECK

If there's a book you want to read, but it hasn't been written yet, then you must write it. Toni Morrison
shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#12059: Nov 17th 2019 at 5:59:44 PM

Far Sector looks good so far. I DO wonder why she has to have a 'special' GL ring.

Yuri fanfiction writer! http://www.fanfiction.net/~shanejayell
Bec66 Since: Dec, 2016
#12060: Nov 18th 2019 at 11:47:36 AM

Things have been a bit slow lately... So here’s something controversial to stew up conversation. But mostly arguments.

https://www.cbr.com/alan-moore-birth-nation-first-superhero-film/

And since this is lacking context here’s the Moore interview in question.

https://alanmooreworld.blogspot.com/2019/11/moore-on-jerusalem-eternalism-anarchy.html?m=1

This is something that’s always gnawed at the back of my head whenever the subject behind Alan Moore comes up, besides the matter of ownership rights. I feel like this was rarely ever the case but since White Supremacy never seemed to be the goal of any of the characters involved. Yes they’re mostly white power fantasies but at the same time it’s hard to dismiss something that someone like Alan Moore has stated. Then I remember, Comicsgate exists and seems to validate Moore’s statements.

Edited by Bec66 on Nov 18th 2019 at 2:49:19 PM

HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#12061: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:05:31 PM

Moore is far from the first to point out the authoritarian aspects of the superhero genre. I remember a lot of discussion about that when Secret Empire was running.

Didn't know he was an anarcho-primitivist, though. Uhh, okay then.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Nov 18th 2019 at 4:06:58 AM

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
Bec66 Since: Dec, 2016
#12062: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:14:57 PM

Actually what’s funny is reading the actual interview he seems less to have issues with Super Heroes themselves and more the way the industry thrives off of creations they held onto by screwing over other creators.

HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#12063: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:17:47 PM

Oh that's been known forever. He himself has been a victim of comic industry legal chicanery many times.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
Bec66 Since: Dec, 2016
#12064: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:30:01 PM

I’m well aware of all the crap DC and Marvel have done to the creators of their biggest characters before.

I’d heard Moore’s comments on his disdain for super heroes before and his comparison of them to the KKK and it always stuck with me, it didn’t stop me from enjoying super heroes but it did sour my experience somewhat. I guess because Alan Moore is such a big name in comics it feels a bit disheartening to learn how he views super heroes and their fans.

Edit: Sorry this got a bit too personal.

Edited by Bec66 on Nov 18th 2019 at 5:40:01 AM

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#12065: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:42:49 PM

Moore’s an idiot. The base idea of a hero (knight errant crossed over with modern myth) is harmless and they DO evolve. Saying they’re the KKK is cretinous in the extreme. Than again Luddites are idiots as a rule

And I get that he’s bitter but when he was doing lost girls the people who owned Peter Pan objected and he basically said “fuck you I don’t care.” He has NO right to lecture anyone on creator intent when he so cavalierly ignores what the owners want so he can write kiddie porn

Edited by LordYAM on Nov 18th 2019 at 2:44:27 AM

HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#12066: Nov 18th 2019 at 2:59:48 PM

Alan's always been kind of loopy, but a good deal of that interview really does make it seem like he's growing increasingly unhinged with age.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
Bec66 Since: Dec, 2016
#12067: Nov 18th 2019 at 3:27:45 PM

[up][up]Your statements feel a bit reactionary. I have a hard time believing Alan Moore is an idiot when he clearly puts a lot of work in thought into his comics. I think the real issue is that he’s just a hard guy to understand.

Yes a the super heroes general role is to do good however how we define good can sometimes vary from person to person and while they do change and evolve with the times often problematic and dated aspects stick with them via association. Super Heroes are also to some extent wish fulfillment which can become toxic if handled poorly focusing more on shallow desires (Fame, Sex, Money) than crafting a good story.

On the subject of Moore’s politics he’s an anarchist but as he puts it he believes that we’d be better off without having a ruling party to oversee the masses and people learned to live by cooperating with one another. They aren’t ideas I completely agree with but I think I can understand. I think this is part of what makes Moore so easy to disagree with because it’s very much a part of who he is.

As for his treatment of existing character. That’s harder to defend. He clearly doesn’t like how his characters get treated when adapted by others while casually using characters he himself doesn’t own for questionable means but that might tie into his Anarchist beliefs. Perhaps he believes copyright in general shouldn’t be a thing and his real problem with adaptations of his work is that his themes are watered down.

[up] I don’t know about unhinged but I definitely think he’s bitter as hell.

Shaoken Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#12068: Nov 18th 2019 at 3:40:12 PM

While Moore was definitely screwed over the rights to Watchmen, for as much he has complained about DC using legal trickery to screw him (except it's not really legal trickery since all DC does is keep publishing the book, not exploiting a loophole or something like that), he did the same thing for one of his works (either League or Lost Girls) getting into a semantical legal argument to get around copyright.

Moore is absolutely a hypocrite though; part of his issue is people using characters he wrote without caring about his thoughts on the matter while at the same time ~50% of his works have involved him taking characters created by other writers and using them in ways their original creators would object to. Plus how he by his own admission doesn't watch superhero movies or keep up with the modern Big 2 companies yet has no problem trashing both including dismissing the idea that DC had anyone with top tier talent working for them.

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#12069: Nov 18th 2019 at 4:05:21 PM

[up][up] No he's just an asshole and it feels like you're making excuses for him.

The excuse I've seen people use is "oh those works are in the public domain who cares he's not hurting anyone." Even leaving aside that in lost girls the work was VERY MUCH NOT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN Moore always complains about how his works are reinterpreted and disrespected. Wouldn't the creators of certain characters object to what he did if they were alive? Maybe it's not as bad as screwing over a living creator but it's still disrespectful nonetheless.

Even otherwise reasonable people have made excuses for Moore's hypocrisy and on at least one comic forum a guy said that the copyright in peter pan shouldn't have been in there in the first place so it wasn't hypocritical at all (which is just plain dishonest.)

It's also why I think the people complaining about Doomsday Clock's existence are completely full of shit. Whatever one thinks of it Geoff Johns is genuinely trying to treat the source material with respect and in my opinion he honestly does a good job.

Edited by LordYAM on Nov 18th 2019 at 4:09:09 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#12070: Nov 18th 2019 at 4:49:11 PM

Even leaving aside that in lost girls the work was VERY MUCH NOT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN
All of the characters in Lost Girls were in the Public Domain in the United States.

As for the rest of your post, I don't have time to get into now, but I disagree with it.

Shaoken Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#12071: Nov 18th 2019 at 5:07:50 PM

One of them wasn't, although that was a bit of a quirk with licensing rights and a play, but it held things up for a year or two until those rights expired.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#12072: Nov 18th 2019 at 5:10:11 PM

One of them wasn't, although that was a bit of a quirk with licensing rights and a play, but it held things up for a year or two until those rights expired.
That was Peter Pan and it's entirely in the Public Domain in the US, although not in the UK. (This applies only to the novel version.) Moore was able to publish the book in the UK in 2007, when the copyright lapsed.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 18th 2019 at 5:12:30 AM

Bec66 Since: Dec, 2016
#12073: Nov 18th 2019 at 5:38:11 PM

Now I’m not saying anyone has to agree with Moore’s opinions or writing choices. But I feel that his position is a difficult one. His most famous works are the ones he doesn’t truly own. Maybe he is an ass and a hypocrite but he deserves the rights to his characters just like anyone else and if he has every right to vent his frustrations publicly.

Also, since this was brought up earlier on the subject of Watchmen ownership the point of the contract was for Moore and Gibbons to regain the rights, they never could’ve conceived it would stay in print via trade paperback. The fact that DC has used this to hold onto the rights is just exploitive.

I’ve been told I’m making excuses for a guy whose worst crimes are apparently not theft, murder, or rape but being a jerk in real life. Meanwhile people are more willing to excuse the actions of a corporation that, as far as I’m concerned, HAS committed theft via a legal loophole.

I’m not saying that you can’t buy DC comics anymore, I know I’m still going to. Just that I think that Moore should have the rights to his work.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#12074: Nov 18th 2019 at 6:46:42 PM

Moore has been dicked over by various comic companies his entire career. To make it into a list:

  • When he was writing Marvelman for Warrior Comics, Marvel Comics sued the company over the use of "Marvel," so they had to change it to Miracleman. (Later on, it turned out that Dez Skinn, the editor at Warrior, never even had the rights to Marvelman in the first place. Marvel Comics, ironically, ended up buying them and the rights to Miracleman, with Moore requested his name be taken off of the book and, unlike DC, Marvel complied.)
  • After he wrote the first three books of The Ballad of Halo Jones, Fleetway, the owner of 2000 AD, told him and Ian Gibson that they didn't own the IP they created, causing a rift.
  • After a long period of making bestselling comics for DC, DC Comics told him that he and Dave Gibbons would own the rights to Watchmen once it fell out of print and then made sure it never fell out of print.
  • Since he didn't want to work for DC or Marvel, he ended up creating his own imprint, America's Best Comics, with Wildstorm. And then Wildstorm was sold to DC Comics, meaning he was working again for DC. And then DC ended up shredding an entire issue of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen because of a gag that referenced Marvel Comics.
  • When he allowed League of Extraordinary Gentlemen to be made into a movie (it's one of his IP that he actually co-owns with the artist), the studio ended up being sued by someone who claimed WB stole his script and then hired Moore to write the comic from it. Even though this was blatantly untrue, WB ended up settling the case out of court, which Moore called "humiliating."

So yeah, he has some reason to be cranky.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 18th 2019 at 6:48:19 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#12075: Nov 18th 2019 at 7:16:16 PM

Wow.

I only knew about the DC thing.

You know what? Moore can yell at as many clouds as he wants. He's earned that right.

....he shouldn't mouth off other comic book writers though. That's not cool.

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