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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Oct 15th 2019 at 7:42:21 PM

So is it Paul Kirk or Mark Shaw? Because I can actually see Mark Shaw being Leviathan, what with him being an anti-hero a lot of the time.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Oct 15th 2019 at 7:49:59 PM

we just know its a former leviathan because damian randomly asks about kate's staff and who else would have access to it or the tech it uses. he still hasnt been unmasked yet though but it probably is mark.

Zarius Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Oct 16th 2019 at 1:04:55 AM

DC teasing the return of Wally's kids Jai and Iris in Flash Forward today.

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Aegroto dum anima est, spes est.
Oct 16th 2019 at 4:12:35 PM

finally. Though now I must wonder how they're gonna to pull that off in the current state of affairs.

Speaking of which, how many of the casualties of Heroes In Crisis debuted in the New 52 by any chance?

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
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Oct 16th 2019 at 4:14:12 PM

AFAIK none of them.

Oct 16th 2019 at 5:54:33 PM

Almost all were legacy characters tho.

And we all know how much Didio LOOOOOVES legacy characters.

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
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Oct 16th 2019 at 6:36:49 PM

I think the only legacy or sidekick characters were Kid Devil and Commander Steel.

Oct 16th 2019 at 7:03:24 PM

Something a bit different:

Issue one of Superman Smashes the Klan, a loose comic adaptation of the Superman radio serial "Clan of the Fiery Cross" (which can be listened to in full here was released today.)

Itís a period piece set in the 1940s, and aimed for a slightly younger audience, but doesn't seem to shy away from its portrayal of period typical casual racism or racist language or try to pull any punches with its depiction of the Klan. I also really like how Superman was written here. It's more in line with the Golden Age portrayals in terms of look and simplified power-set, but I think the writer really gets who Superman is, which a lot of writers tend to struggle with.

Edited by megaeliz on Oct 16th 2019 at 10:57:34 AM

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Oct 17th 2019 at 3:06:20 PM

What's Didio's beef with legacy characters and why does he think he knows better than the writers?

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
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Oct 17th 2019 at 3:11:40 PM

Can't answer the second question but for the first it's because he thinks having so many legacy characters ages the "iconic" ones, and he wants them to be perpetually young.

Oct 17th 2019 at 8:16:16 PM

He apparently wanted Nighwing DEAD in Infinite Crisis.

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
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Oct 17th 2019 at 8:24:20 PM

Yeah and everyone involved revolted and that's why Superboy died instead. Nightwing "ages" Batman.

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Oct 17th 2019 at 9:49:24 PM

Superboy died because DC had basically lost the rights to him — the judge had come down on the side of the Siegel family. So he was pretty much always going to do, but Didio wanted to off Nightwing, too. Geoff Johns, however, told him in no way would he kill off Dick Grayson, so they changed it to nearly killing him.

Then, later on, DC got the rights back to Superboy, so he was resurrected.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
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Oct 17th 2019 at 9:57:49 PM

...They couldn't just have Superboy take a new hero name?

Like Flamebird, or Valor (taken as inspiration from Mon-El during Superboy's six months with the Legion of Superheroes)? Or just make something up? Say that he has PTSD connection from Superboy-Prime constantly screaming "You're not Superboy!" or "I'm the REAL Superboy" and whatever else. Or the fact that he's eighteen and when he was first introduced, after Clark wasn't "dead" anymore, Conner told him "Alright, fun, but when I turn 18, you better watch out"?

Or just

Literally anything?

My various fanfics.
slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
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Oct 17th 2019 at 10:01:16 PM

Well that would be thinking outside the box...... but also not as marketable.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 17th 2019 at 10:01:49 AM

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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
Oct 17th 2019 at 10:07:01 PM

...They couldn't just have Superboy take a new hero name?
No, because it wasn't the name, it was the character itself. The Siegel family has the rights to the character of "Superboy," even if they don't use that name. Later on, however, a judge ruled that the Conner Kent Superboy was a different character than the Young Clark Kent Superboy, so DC could still use him.

(You'll notice that DC has used numerous variations on Superboy, but hasn't actually made any Young Clark Kent Superboy stories in the past decade? That's because the Siegel family, again, still own him and DC would have to pay to use him.)

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
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Oct 18th 2019 at 1:28:34 AM

Jarro is the cutest thing ever.

#Jarrobestrobin

Edited by JTTWlover on Oct 18th 2019 at 10:28:48 AM

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Oct 18th 2019 at 7:17:04 AM

TBH, Didio has never seemed to really be a DC fan. I think the best quote I read about the guy was that he was a Marvel fan who wound up working for the wrong company. If you dislike legacy characters, maaaaaaaybe a comic book company that thrives on legacy characters isn't a good fit for you.

Oct 18th 2019 at 7:27:07 AM

Ironically, Marvel's capitalizing on the legacy concept a lot better than DC is right now.

FrozenWolf2 Just an Old Mon from Stuck in Kanto
Just an Old Mon
Oct 18th 2019 at 7:27:12 AM

Yall Muthafuckers Keep trying to Screw Bette over

Its bad enough she got booted due to Barbara and the first time she got any focus, They fucked over Batwoman so hard that the New writer thought he was still writing Manhunter 'as one person put it, Kate is being written like Kat after the writer switch up'

Didio's beef with Legacy characters its they ARE largely redundant

Seeing that DC always tries to keep a state of Stasis to their world, aging sidekicks who then get their own aging sidekick is counter to that but writers want to expand the world.

I mean Look at the Batfamily nightmare at the moment

You have Bruce, Dick, Barbara, Kate, Jason, Damian, Steph, Cassandra , Duke and... Mallard... I mean Drake... I mean Tim

Not including any of the OTHER auxiliary Batfamily members 'Like Huntress who has just kinda be slotted back into place despite not being the Same Helena' I mean Harper atleast retired 'The sensible thing'

Tim is largely irrelevant at this point since He was created to BE the last Robin... Then Damian appeared, Bruce got the stick out his ass, Jason got revived and suddenly Tim's only purpose in the Dc Verse was to suffer and possibly die

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Oct 18th 2019 at 9:37:27 AM

"You ever breathe through more then one opening boy? Once I get better you be sure to let me know what its like."
Oct 18th 2019 at 7:46:24 AM

[up]Somehow, however, Marvel doesn't have a problem with this, if the Spider-verse characters are any indication.

I forgot to add: Didio has also said he doesn't care for Shazam. Contrast that with Dick Giordano. Years ago, I read that Giordano disliked Lobo but was also aware the character was a fan favorite and kept putting out Lobo comics.

Edited by PennyDreadful on Oct 18th 2019 at 7:49:46 AM

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
Oct 18th 2019 at 8:41:05 AM

Dick Giordano kind of presided over a Golden Age of DC Comics — he was executive editor from 1983 to 1993. More than that, however, was the influence of Jenette Kahn, who was President and Publisher of DC from 1981 to 1989 and Editor-In-Chief from 1989 to 2002. Among other things, Kahn:

  • Changed the name of "National Periodical Publications" to "DC Comics."
  • Hired new talent and hired away talent from Marvel.
  • Diversified the writers and artists she hired.
  • Oversaw the creation of both Vertigo and Milestone.
  • And much more.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Zarius Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
Oct 18th 2019 at 9:32:54 AM

I definitely buying The Oracle Code.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Zarius Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Oct 18th 2019 at 9:36:28 AM

Higgins on Aquaman...I got a little excited when I read Arthur and Mera were engaged (since her current stand-in suitor to troll the sisterhood is Vulko), only to pay closer attention to the beardless Arthur on the cover, and read the solicit a bit more carefully to realize it's a flashback to when they were engaged during Rebirth.


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