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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11251: Jul 18th 2019 at 4:01:01 PM

That was the funniest part of the first issue, where she says she'll try not to jump out of windows. "It's kind of my brand."

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11253: Jul 18th 2019 at 5:28:36 PM

[up]Didn't they already introduce Jackson Hyde?

Edited by alliterator on Jul 18th 2019 at 5:29:30 AM

shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#11254: Jul 18th 2019 at 7:01:49 PM

He's Aqualad II. Black Manta's kid, I think...

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11255: Jul 18th 2019 at 7:08:46 PM

Yeah, I thought they already brought him in this universe.

EDIT: Yeah, he first appeared in DC Rebirth #1. And then joined the Teen Titans. This isn't his first appearance by a long shot.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 18th 2019 at 7:10:04 AM

FrozenWolf2 Horni Demon LORD from HORNI LAND Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Horni Demon LORD
#11256: Jul 18th 2019 at 7:08:53 PM

yeah Wind... Garth and Jackson are two different characters

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#11257: Jul 18th 2019 at 9:33:00 PM

Okay, take a look at that image again. Specifically, what is on Jackson's wrist.

I know this isn't the first time Jackson has been seen. Doesn't make that image any less stupid, especially given this will be the first appearance of Jackson in Deconnick's run.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11258: Jul 18th 2019 at 9:52:35 PM

Okay, take a look at that image again. Specifically, what is on Jackson's wrist.
Yes, I know, he's handcuffed. But, again, this isn't the first time we've seen Jackson — you compared it to the new Wally West, but in the case it was the first time we saw the new Wally.

Also, considering the only image we have so far is him is handcuffed in the police station, we have no idea of context around why he is there. Wally was immediately portrayed as a delinquent; we already know that Jackson is a good person, so we know that there must be some other reason why they arrested him. The only unfortunate implications I see are people who look at the image and only see it as "black kid was arrested." But then again, fuck those people.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 18th 2019 at 9:53:19 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#11259: Jul 18th 2019 at 10:24:50 PM

Just because you don't see how tone deaf that image is doesn't mean other people (including black people) shouldn't. Again, even if this isn't the first time we've seen Jackson, it's still a dumb way to introduce him into this series.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 18th 2019 at 10:25:34 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11260: Jul 18th 2019 at 10:36:03 PM

Just because you don't see how tone deaf that image is doesn't mean other people (including black people) shouldn't.
The image isn't tone deaf. If we saw Jackson being an actual criminal, then it would be tone deaf. But this single image we have doesn't show anything like that. Unless you want to say any image of a black person handcuffed in a police station is tone deaf.

Also, it doesn't matter if he's being introduced into Aquaman — his character has already been previously introduced in Teen Titans. Odds are, readers already know who he is.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 18th 2019 at 10:38:17 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#11261: Jul 19th 2019 at 1:11:32 AM

Listened to a Word Baloon podcast with Aquaman's writer, and it was highly entertaining. A lot of what's happening in the book is due to editorial (such as no Arthur/Mera marriage and Arthur hanging out in the bay more than Atlantis), but small victories for her include lampooning editorial's suggestion of a love triangle (she finds them tiresome and a little offensive to strong-willed women) and Mera's pregnancy.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#11262: Jul 19th 2019 at 1:16:06 AM

Good God is DC anti-marriage.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11263: Jul 19th 2019 at 1:25:59 AM

lot of what's happening in the book is due to editorial (such as no Arthur/Mera marriage
But...but DC Rebirth #1 literally had "love return" to the world when Arthur proposed to Mera! Like, people want them to be together!

God, DC is stupid. At least they haven't broken up the Clark/Lois marriage, considering how long it took for them to bring it back at all.

By the by, I finally read Superman: Year One and, despite the fact that it has way too much narration, it is probably Frank Miller's best story in years. It doesn't fall into any of the old traps that he's done before and it actually quite a sweet story. It's still Miller, so the narration is still pretty overblown, but it's, again, probably his best solo written work in years.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#11264: Jul 19th 2019 at 2:37:46 AM

[up] They haven't broken Lois and Clark up, but they've been having them live seperatly from one another while trying to maintain their maritial commitments (Bendis said he wanted to show how strong their love is and depict how a "modern day marriage" functions), then there's also the business of being irresponsible parents to Jon (though he's baffingly chill with it)

Edited by Zarius on Jul 19th 2019 at 2:40:23 AM

Bec66 Since: Dec, 2016
#11265: Jul 19th 2019 at 6:33:58 AM

[up][up]Speaking of Frank Miller he recently gave an interview where surprisingly he talks about how he wanted to write stronger women into comics.

https://www.cbr.com/sdcc-frank-miller-dark-knight-returns-superman-year-one/

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#11266: Jul 19th 2019 at 6:47:26 AM

Good God, is DC anti-marriage.

More like Dan DiDio is anti-marriage.

Honestly, the day he gets fired will be one of much rejoicing.

HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#11267: Jul 19th 2019 at 1:18:14 PM

Do we know why Didio still has so much creative control? He's now the publisher, but he acts like he's still the EIC.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11268: Jul 19th 2019 at 1:51:48 PM

Bob Harras is the EIC now and probably let's Dan Didio have as much creative control as he wants — after all, he knows where his bread is buttered.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#11269: Jul 19th 2019 at 4:13:50 PM

Is Dan Didio married? Because if this was personal issues I might understand at least some of his logic, if not he's just dumb for thinking it when the fans clearly like it

HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#11270: Jul 19th 2019 at 4:24:00 PM

I don't know anything about Didio's love life. The defense he's always used for his anti-marriage stance is that giving superheroes one consistent partner they can always rely on would quickly get boring.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#11271: Jul 19th 2019 at 5:12:10 PM

Unlike the constant never ending mire of drudgery he insists on dumping every single character into without regard for whether or not they're fit for it.

But then this is the guy who thought Cry for Justice and Rise of Arsenal were good ideas.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#11272: Jul 19th 2019 at 5:17:29 PM

The guy seems to be trying to turn every character into Batman off his meds, so he as no grounds to stand on.

Wake me up at your own risk.
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#11273: Jul 19th 2019 at 5:24:14 PM

More to the point, isn't it just as boring to read a story where everyone is a broody miseryguts jerk who are all interchangeable between each other?

You know like Heroes in Crisis. Everyone loved that.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#11274: Jul 19th 2019 at 5:26:43 PM

You could explain that to some people in a Sesame Street episode format and they wouldn't understand it.

Wake me up at your own risk.
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#11275: Jul 19th 2019 at 5:31:35 PM

I can't remember where I read this or if I'm butchering the truth, but there was this anecdote where after a creative panel the entire audience left, and that was the impetus for Rebirth. That no one had any questions, no one had any care at all, for what was happening next in the DCU. And I feel like we're getting to that point again because what's upcoming is "shit's fucked and everyone's crying."

DC editorial is like the walking personification of the angry fanboy who insists that his serials about men in their pants fighting crime have to be very serious and mature. Marvel turns Squirrel Girl into one of their breakout hits of the last decade, DC manufactures interest in a terrible book by slapping the Crisis label onto it.


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