Follow TV Tropes

Following

DC Comics General

Go To

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
May 29th 2019 at 1:47:16 PM

I am actually fucking angered about Heroes in a Crisis.
No matter what, Heroes is Crisis does not hold a candle to Identity Crisis. You can bet that the reason Heroes in Crisis began was not because one of the editors stated, "We need a rape."

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
May 29th 2019 at 1:49:44 PM

Heroes in Crisis isn't as grossly misogynistic and at least comes from a place of good intentions but I'd argue it's in the same ball park with writing something that perpetuates harmful stereotypes.

Edited by RodimusMinor on May 29th 2019 at 4:54:50 AM

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
May 29th 2019 at 2:08:54 PM

Okay, this CBR article is stating that because past Wally no longer kills future Wally (and they are interrupted by time travelling Booster, Harley, Batgirl, and Blue Beetle), the things Wally did to cover up the accidental killings no longer happened, which means his redemption is easier. Does any of that come across in the actual issue?

I mean, time had to have changed, since in the original timeline, they found Wally dead and now they don't, so...was the timeline of the entire book erased so that Wally turns himself in now immediately after the killings?

Also, I was kind of right about the thing being editorially mandated. Apparently, Tom King came up with the plot, but the editors chose the actual characters (Wally, Harley, and Booster) that the plot would apply to. King, apparently though, loves Wally West and is glad that he brought him into more prominence:

Wally hasnít had a successful solo comic since, when? 2003? What Iím saying is, the idea behind this is to elevate that character. Everyone is now talking about Wally. Everyone wants to see where Wally goes next. Everyone wants Wally to get the attention that that character deserves. Heís my favorite Flash. Heís my entry into DC comics ó The Flash #53 by Messner-Loebs and Larocque was my first DC comic. I love that character. I have a page above my desk of Wally from that Flash run and I think this, at the end of the day, will shine a spotlight on my character and put him at the center of the DC universe, in a place he hasnít been for 15 years.

And I understand his reasoning, although I think it would have been better if it happened in a completely different way.

In any case, if we are getting a new Wally West book, who should write it? I'm thinking Tom Taylor.

Edited by alliterator on May 29th 2019 at 2:16:03 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
May 29th 2019 at 2:22:18 PM

From the last pages it still makes it clear that Wally killed people, but if that is a plot hole then there's an easy way out of the whole story.

Oh wait you mean the part where he desecrates corpses instead of just killing people right?

Edited by RodimusMinor on May 29th 2019 at 5:29:51 AM

Spottedleaf Dr. Caitlin Snow from S.T.A.R. Labs Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Dr. Caitlin Snow
May 29th 2019 at 2:30:09 PM

I'm finding myself more and more interested in Huntress as a character, specifically the Helena Bertinelli version of her. Anyone got some runs they'd recommend?

Willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause
RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
May 29th 2019 at 2:32:01 PM

Gail Simone's Birds of Prey is the defining rendition of the character.

May 29th 2019 at 2:37:19 PM

No you see the thing about future wally actually rereading the comic is that he never killed himself the future him said he didn't like boosters plan at first but then it worked. So past wally gets cloned they kill the clone and leave its body there and he still messes with the bodies because he did thst before he met his future self. So all wally did was leak everyone's info

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
May 29th 2019 at 2:41:46 PM

[up] ..wait, where did clones come in? Either he killed his future self or not. If they stopped him from killing his future self (or he changed his mind), that means that time itself changed, because in the original timeline, they found his dead body.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
May 29th 2019 at 2:45:50 PM

[up]future wally said it was dumb and it is but they go to boosters time and make a speed clone and put that body there while past wally leaks everything and then goes bsck and convinces his younger self of the plan and gets arrested

HamburgerTime All things pure and good. from Garamsythe Sewer Relationship Status: I know
All things pure and good.
May 29th 2019 at 3:13:45 PM

I have no idea what any of this means. Flash physics and time travel stacked on top of each other, arrrrgggggggghhhhhh...

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
May 29th 2019 at 4:30:03 PM

Well, at least Wally West didn't kill himself, so he can be redeemed and possibly get his own book out of this.

Oh hey, Tom King is also co-writing the New Gods movie with Ava DuVernay.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
slimcoder I am not your boss. I am your KING!
I am not your boss. I am your KING!
May 29th 2019 at 4:30:41 PM

Darkseid Is.

I AM THE DRAGON!!!!
HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
May 29th 2019 at 4:44:01 PM

What?

What is Darkseid?

He's never gonna answer it is he?

He just says it because it sounds cool. We all know it!

Everyone is XEHANORT
slimcoder I am not your boss. I am your KING!
I am not your boss. I am your KING!
May 29th 2019 at 4:48:36 PM

Its a reference to the Biblical God & the phrase of "I Am" meaning God's existence is an absolute one. "The Great I Am" and God certainly am everything.

So the phrase "Darkseid Is" basically means Darkseid is an absolute existence akin to Abrahamic God who created everything in existence.

He just is...... everything.

Edited by slimcoder on May 29th 2019 at 4:51:35 AM

I AM THE DRAGON!!!!
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
May 29th 2019 at 4:49:16 PM

That line actually came from Grant Morrison's JLA run, during the "Rock of Ages" storyline. In a post-apocalyptic future, Darkseid has conquered the universe. As he arrives on Earth, his presence is announced:

GLORIOUS GODFREY: The hour has come! He has come! Who is beyond good and evil? Who is the Prophet of Anti-Life? Who is the Rock and the Chain and the Lightning? All powerful! All unforgiving! All conquering! Who is your New God now and forever?

DARKSEID: Darkseid is.

Basically, Darkseid is so powerful that he doesn't even need to do anything, he causes pain and suffering and darkness by simply existing. Darkseid doesn't do, Darkseid is.

Edited by alliterator on May 29th 2019 at 4:49:40 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
May 29th 2019 at 4:52:07 PM

[up][up]and[up]

...

Can I just keep liking my theory better?

Everyone is XEHANORT
slimcoder I am not your boss. I am your KING!
I am not your boss. I am your KING!
May 29th 2019 at 4:54:10 PM

Well he's never gonna answer because why would he answer?

He is absolute, which is practically the coolest thing you can be.

I AM THE DRAGON!!!!
HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
May 29th 2019 at 4:57:46 PM

Yeah. Sounds like something that dick would do.

Cause he is a dick.

Darkseid is after all.evil grin

Everyone is XEHANORT
RedM Geek Extraordinaire Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Geek Extraordinaire
May 29th 2019 at 4:58:52 PM

Then thereís that weird bit in JLI where Oberon stumbles into Darkseidís stylish 80s living room while Darkseidís reading Mein Kampf and Darkseid just sorta... lets the JLI go because he doesnít care, I guess.

The very best, like no one ever was. Check out my Spider-Man fanfic here! [1]
May 29th 2019 at 5:23:31 PM

Darkseid: Darkseid Is...riffing on Hitler's mediocre prose.

Sign on for this After The End Fantasy RP.
May 29th 2019 at 6:00:08 PM

One thing that REALLY pisses me off over Hi C is thsat it pisses all over one of the things that Wally was best at: controlling the Speed Force.

He was THE GUY with Speed Force. Not Barry, not Jay, not Max Mercury. Wally was the guy who went into the Force, came out and mastered it.

And now he's just a fuck up with THAT too. :(

Yuri fanfiction writer! http://www.fanfiction.net/~shanejayell
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
May 29th 2019 at 8:06:43 PM

I think that was supposed to be the point — if this had been Barry or Other Wally, what happened wouldn't have happened. But because Wally is very much connected to the Speed Force in ways they aren't, when he lost control, he really lost control.

(Now watch as a writer retcons some evil force living inside the Speed Force did it and not Wally, absolving him of blame. It's going to be Parallax 2.0!)

(Not that it really matters, but now that they've done this plot, I hope they actually get a writer to stick with it and have Wally try to redeem himself while also returning his family. Because the guy deserves some happiness, dammit.)

Edited by alliterator on May 29th 2019 at 8:07:54 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
May 29th 2019 at 8:23:28 PM

no just use still force parasite and forget this shitty story ever existed.

I think what pissed me off the most about the final issue is how funny it thought it was being and its like people died. most of them stayed dead and you are just cracking jokes over here? bluh.

RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
May 29th 2019 at 8:31:34 PM

"Bros before heroes."

Tom King's editor thought this was a good line of dialogue. Tom King got paid to write that.

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
May 29th 2019 at 8:32:45 PM

People do use humor during bleak and horrific situations. There's a reason Gallows Humor is a thing.

But I do think the rest of the Titans need to talk to Wally about Roy's death. After all, Roy was Wally's best friend.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl

Total posts: 11,454
Top

How well does it match the trope?

Example of:

/

Media sources:

/

Report