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Apr 26th 2019 at 2:22:15 PM

And really death threats don't hep anyone. All they do is make creators resistant to criticism and paint a bad view of fans as a whole, even the ones who aren't acting like entitled brats.

math792d The justification for everything from Tesladyne, LLC Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
The justification for everything
Apr 27th 2019 at 2:29:50 AM

I feel like there's money in a comic book site hiring a mental health professional to compare and contrast Sanctuary and Arkham to find out which facility is the absolute worst. From my limited experience with mental health services note  it's a pretty even fight, all things considered.

The news that they have nothing to fear is guaranteed to strike fear into the hearts of innocents everywhere.
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
Apr 27th 2019 at 7:55:34 AM

Yeah, I'm not sure why Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman thought "Hey, you know the best way to treat PTSD? Isolate everyone and have then wear creepy masks and also put them in virtual reality to dissociate them even more."

Like, I understand the reasoning behind some of it, but it all points to none of them understanding how psychology actually works. There's a reason that people go to group therapy: because being around other people helps.

Of course, maybe Tom King was commenting on the fact that often treatment for PTSD in veterans isn't good in real life, since there's such a high rate of suicide.

But I would also love if it the last issue had them completely reform Sanctuary into something better. You know after they also bring everyone back to life.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Zarius Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Apr 27th 2019 at 9:10:35 AM

[up] I'm not sure if we should be pleased...since the reason for a lot of the success is all the bleak storytelling going on.

kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 27th 2019 at 9:29:54 AM

[up]Thereby proving Didio right. Or at least giving him validation.

I feel dirty for even saying that.

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12583620/1/Sonic-and-the-Freedom-Fighters-Blue-Horizon
Apr 27th 2019 at 9:37:12 AM

Didnít Rebirth, which generally did start out optimistic, also have strong sales for months?

HamburgerTime Yes, mancubi are people too. from Scenic Mars City Relationship Status: I know
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
Apr 27th 2019 at 11:26:15 AM

Bleak storytelling can be done right — like Injustice or Omega Men — or it can be done wrong (like Identity Crisis). Just because something is bleak doesn't make it bad. It's when everything is bleak that makes it bad.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Apr 28th 2019 at 10:55:50 AM

Doomsday Clock and Detective Comics 1000 are the reasons for the higher March sales. Bleakness or lack thereof has nothing to do with it.

And yes, Rebirth, especially Johnsí Rebirth 1, sold like gang busters. Itís almost as if there are factors besides bleakness driving comic sales.

Edited by PennyDreadful on Apr 28th 2019 at 10:56:56 AM

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Apr 28th 2019 at 11:28:53 AM

But that requires some logic to understand. Not what you'd find in execs.

Zarius Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
HamburgerTime Yes, mancubi are people too. from Scenic Mars City Relationship Status: I know
Yes, mancubi are people too.
Apr 28th 2019 at 11:47:17 AM

Even by those standards Didio seems like a pretty epic Cloudcuckoolander - that Twitter post from an ex-editor reveals that, for some reason, he thinks optimistic stories actually drive sales down because they seem little kid-ish.

There's nothing that needs mending/Just follow my words, they will lead you to the ending.
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
Apr 28th 2019 at 11:51:28 AM

I mean, he did approve Super Sons and Adventures of the Super Sons, so he knows there is some value to kid-ish stories. He just thinks that controversy provides bigger sales.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Apr 28th 2019 at 1:20:32 PM

[up] Obviously Didio is taking a book from Eric Bischoff's "Controversy creates Cash" modus operandi with that mentality

Apr 29th 2019 at 8:43:47 PM

Marvelization (AKA the insertion of "character flaws" that are really just meant to stretch out soap-opera subplots for months or years at a time)

This is late (and kinda general), but I wanted to say that I appreciate that someone else has noticed this. Thanks, Rubber_Lotus.

Edited by caivu on Apr 29th 2019 at 11:44:17 AM

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kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 29th 2019 at 9:22:48 PM

[up]So, what, having character flaws that help make the characters more fleshed out and interesting is a bad thing? Or should everyone be as much of a block of wood as Jordan and Barry are?

Sonic and the Freedom Fighters — Blue Horizon: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12583620/1/Sonic-and-the-Freedom-Fighters-Blue-Horizon
Apr 29th 2019 at 11:05:03 PM

[up]No, not at all. Flaws are good and necessary things for characters to have. But in recent years I've noticed a tendency for writers (particularly superhero writers) to supercharge flaws to cartoonish degrees while minimizing merits (even if it makes no sense for the particular character). That's the perception, at least, and it doesn't help that the way the writing itself tends to handle these flaws is usually kinda adolescent (for lack of a better word).

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Apr 29th 2019 at 11:08:31 PM

[up][up] Really, you are really complaining about not having a lot of flaws in an age where writers are heavily criticized for making characters into gigantic assholes?

And tone it down on the Barry & Hal digs, its not funny anymore.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 29th 2019 at 11:11:41 AM

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Apr 29th 2019 at 11:23:11 PM

Flawed characters are, well they're necessary and such a basic part of good drama I don't know how to type this without underselling the idea, but I am in agreement that we've kinda gone too deep into the whole broody miseryguts superheroes who are so cursed with their kickass superpowers.

Apr 29th 2019 at 11:39:59 PM

[up]Exactly. And add to it the notion that being a superhero requires being a barely-functional garbage fire of a person (which might already be related to the above).

All that's okay in some cases. But when that sort of thing starts happening too often (especially in cases where it makes no sense)... not great.

Edited by caivu on Apr 30th 2019 at 3:09:45 PM

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kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 30th 2019 at 5:12:52 AM

[up][up][up]When did I ever say it was funny?

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alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
professional crastinator
Apr 30th 2019 at 1:26:42 PM

So...a combination of Underworld Unleashed and Forever Evil?

Edited by alliterator on Apr 30th 2019 at 1:26:55 AM

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Zarius Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
May 1st 2019 at 1:19:50 PM

Year of the Villain: Lex attacks the White House, Captain Atom arrives at Lexcorp to arrest him, Lex learns from Brainiac he is now considered a bad guy by the rest of the world again and that he is now destined to divide his assets and equip other villains with the means to defeat their heroes. Lex then blows himself and Lexcorp up. Perpetua then begins to restore him in a half-human/martian body

Edited by Zarius on May 1st 2019 at 1:19:58 AM


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