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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
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Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:48:30 PM

What if you revamped your failing comics universe overwrought with tits and angst with the return of beloved characters and concepts, punctuating that very theme with Wally West returning and speechifying about a universe without love and hope and how it can and will be brought back

But Tom King said: Heroes in Crisis.

Edited by RodimusMinor on Apr 23rd 2019 at 8:49:44 AM

slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:52:47 PM

You can't really blame this entirely on King.

It was never his idea to turn this into an event comic.

Nor a murder mystery I believe.

As the well shitty treatment of Wally. The guys been bullied by the entire DC crew.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:53:19 AM

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:55:03 PM

I know I just said this with different words but it bears repeating: the New 52 was a sales disaster throughout its entire life and Dan Didio's master plan to pull the comic company he leads out of the fire is to do it all over again even harder.

The man is a menace and he must be brought to justice.

Apr 23rd 2019 at 5:59:11 PM

[up][up]no he uses boosters tech to travel through time because flashes cant time travel anymore. also everyone was killed because wally tried to hac santuary and the emergency alarms sent everyone outside where wally overloaded and lose control and fried everyone with speed force lightning. the different causes of death was wally making it look like booster or harley could have done it so he would have time to kill himself and make his confession

Edited by Deadpoolrocks on Apr 23rd 2019 at 6:37:41 AM

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Fallen Maiden
Apr 23rd 2019 at 6:42:21 PM

[up][up] * Shakes fist like JJJ at Spiderman *

Burning with revenge.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Apr 24th 2019 at 1:13:52 AM

Why is Didio being such a didiot?

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Apr 24th 2019 at 8:23:25 PM

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Apr 24th 2019 at 2:23:14 AM

This seems to be a genuine case of Executive Meddling with an individually good(ish) idea of "What if Superheroes had a place to handle PTSD and combat fatigue" turned into an event comic.

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slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Apr 24th 2019 at 2:28:34 AM

I said this before & I'll say this again.

There is nothing appearing beneficial to Didio staying in charge.

The man is a borderline threat.

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
Apr 24th 2019 at 3:05:40 AM

Even I'm not sure how much of this can be blamed on Didio. It's been stated elsewhere the guy makes himself a lightning rod for controversial decisions. For instance, the New 52 wasn't his idea but Didio got the blame for that any way. It's never just one person that is the cause of the issues.

Mizerous Fallen Maiden from Remnant Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Fallen Maiden
Apr 24th 2019 at 4:57:13 AM

So what is worse HIC or Delay Clock?

Burning with revenge.
Apr 24th 2019 at 5:56:25 AM

DC never fails to apply a healthy dose of character assassination to their main characters. And they're so schizophrenic... 3 years ago Wally was the symbol for hope returning, now he's a suicidal mass murderer? WTH? It's Parallax all over again.

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Just an Old Mon
Apr 24th 2019 at 6:09:39 AM

Delay clock's story is for the most part decent if not takes forever to get going cause Geoff's GOT to include everybody

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Apr 24th 2019 at 8:13:50 AM

[up] Interesting stuff. My biggest takeaways:

It’s interesting to know that when events roll around, the publishers have a list of changes they want made: powerings, de-powerings, deaths, resurrections. It makes sense, though. That’s why you get stuff like Jaime Reyes’ Blue Beetle III origin thrown in as a subplot in Infinite Crisis. I’m reminded of when Bendis got the keys to Avengers and asked what he could get away with, so management responded with a list of characters he was allowed to kill off.

Didio was promised the job by WB five years in advance without having a background in comics. WB wanted someone who would run DC the way they wanted. Sort of a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t situation where he’d been promised the job and had been turning down other offers for years, but within DC they were trying to give the job to Waid or others.

Didio approaches things with a pro-wrestling, soap opera “if the fans are shocked or pissed, the books sell” mindset. The writer of the post specifically mentions wanting stories to be “Hank Pym slaps his wife” shockers. Which, I mean... just going off that example... A. Hank Pym was nobody’s favorite Avenger, so they could get away with it, B. Because he wasn’t that popular, Shooter/Stern could write a story all about his breakdown due to feeling inadequate, and C. That was an albatross around the character’s neck that he never recovered from, bleeding into the atrocious Ultimates version and being brought up as recently as Secret Empire. So... maybe not the best strategy for DC.

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Apr 24th 2019 at 5:31:09 PM

So I read about Heroes in Crisis #8 and...

sigh

Okay, Wally didn't do in intentionally. That's good. He's also attempting to make it right, which is why he framed the others. Also good.

But unless his attempt to make it right is making sure that nobody actually dies (maybe through some time travel trickery or something) then this whole thing was a waste. Because...honestly I can't see them ever doing anything with Wally if he's even an accidental mass murderer. Yes, I know he's also supposed to be dead in five days, but they can bring him back from that, too.

So yeah, I really, really hope that Tom King has the ending of Heroes in Crisis be a mass resurrection and Everybody Lives because, honestly, the DC Universe needs some goddamn hope.

(Honestly, this is just reminding me of Hal Jordan in Emerald Twilight.)

Edited by alliterator on Apr 24th 2019 at 5:32:06 AM

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Deranged X-Mas Figure
Apr 24th 2019 at 6:23:55 PM

[up]THE FLASH: TERMINAL VELOCITY

Edited by kkhohoho on Apr 24th 2019 at 8:24:20 AM

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Mizerous Fallen Maiden from Remnant Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Fallen Maiden
Apr 24th 2019 at 6:31:45 PM

What I expect in Heroes In Crisis #9.

Burning with revenge.
slimcoder Insane Religious Murderbot
Insane Religious Murderbot
Apr 24th 2019 at 6:32:01 PM

I'm reminded of Multiversity & how all the worlds in that comic, I would enjoy them in their own series.

Pulp Adventures of Doctor Fate & his League or the Watchmen as they were intended to be. tongue

Nobody is innocent, there are merely varying levels of guilt. Oh and Primus hates you.
Apr 24th 2019 at 8:07:51 PM

[up][up][up][up]yes it was an accident but instead of turning himself in he moved and defiled the bodies and framed others to give him time to confess and kill himself. it would have been fine if it was just the killings but this? I honestly would have prefered he had killed them on purpose after he broke completely over an accident and then methodically covering it up. my only hope is for johns to retcon that it was a demon parasite entity from the sage force who made wally do this

RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Apr 24th 2019 at 8:10:08 PM

This is probably going to end with Wally undoing his mistakes and living while everyone around throws out quotes like "It gets better" and "never the end." Because that's how murder works.

But, whatever. The sooner we forget this tripe, the better.

Edited by RodimusMinor on Apr 24th 2019 at 11:10:35 AM

Apr 24th 2019 at 8:11:20 PM

I don't think it will. because it affected other books like ga and red hood with roy.

Edited by Deadpoolrocks on Apr 24th 2019 at 8:11:31 AM

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Apr 24th 2019 at 8:18:46 PM

[up][up][up] If he was just going to confess and turn himself in, he wouldn't have defiled the bodies and framed Booster and Harley. No, he explained that he's going to try and make it right within the five days he has left (and since he had Booster's time travel device, that could probably be longer than five days). Which means that he's probably going to try and bring everyone back.

It's really ironic — Marvel just had their ten issue mini-series Avengers: No Road Home end last week and that mini also began with a slaughter: the slaughter of all the Greek pantheon (aside from Hercules and Ares) by Nyx, the Goddess of Night. However, the last issue was a full blown refutation on cynicism and darkness, with one of the last pages showing the Greek gods being reborn. It was full of hope and I wish Heroes in Crisis ends half as well is No Road Home did.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Apr 24th 2019 at 8:25:25 PM

[up]it actually cant be longer than 5 days the body was only 5 days older. the only rez's I see are ivy who already happened. and wally wont end up dying and will be put on the skwad like his uncle was. I would love it if it turned out to be all just a dream but the shit at santuary was happening in delay clock and now im wondering if part of the reason for the delays was johns trying to figure out which entity from which force to have posessed wally

Edited by Deadpoolrocks on Apr 24th 2019 at 8:27:20 AM

alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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Apr 24th 2019 at 8:29:35 PM

I mean, there's a whole last issue that hasn't come out yet, so I feel like there needs to be one more twist. Not Wally being possessed, but something else.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl

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