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A general discussion thread for all things DC Comics. Topics may be split off into their own threads if necessary. That said, since there's already a thread for the D Cn U (aka Nu52), this one would probably stick to pre-Nu52 comics to avoid redundancy.

I've always wondered if there's a justification for Wonder Woman's outfit being designed after a modern-day one-piece swimsuit/leotard instead of something that would fit her Greco-Roman mythological background (e.g. Amazons were more often than not depicted as wearing trousersnote ). A few attempted redesigns had her adopt Lady Legionnaire Wear for a skirt, but they never stuck. And then of course, there's her pants-wearing design during J. Michael Straczynski's run (courtesy of artist Jim Lee).

edited 27th Dec '13 7:51:31 AM by MarqFJA

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#301: Jan 16th 2015 at 7:13:38 AM

Re: Crimson Avenger becoming more Batman-like.

It happened across the board, as Superman/Batman style heroes became so popular. Crimson Avenger, a straight up Green Hornet clone, started wearing a super hero costume and his driver Wing did as well, becoming his kid sidekick. The same thing happened to the Wes Dodds Sandman. Will Eisner originally wanted the Spirit to just be a detective, he put him in a mask to make him a super hero, at his editors request.

The Ultra-Humanite is officially considered to be the first super-villain, and he was definately Superman's first recurring villain. He appeared several times, and was ultimately defeated after having his brain put into the body of a young actress; he didn't show up again until the late Silver Age, I think, at least as the Ultra Humanite. A argument can be made that Ultra just morphed into Lex Luthor, as Lex, originally equipped with a full compliment of hair, started looking like him pretty quick into his appearences.

Don't think you can really say Hugo Strange turned into the Joker; beyond their reliance on dangerous pharmaceuticals (just one in the Joker's case), the two characters ain't at all alike. That actually raises a point: I've read stories that imply the Joker is a brilliant chemist, given his Joker venom, but that doesn't get played up much. Any more the Joker venom just gets treated like a gimmick that came out of nowhere...

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#302: Jan 16th 2015 at 1:43:10 PM

What does knowledge have to do with opinion?

> Not Sure if Serious.

Um... everything? Any good opinion is born from knowledge, otherwise the person is just shooting their mouth off on things they have no idea about.

edited 16th Jan '15 1:43:18 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#303: Jan 16th 2015 at 3:10:18 PM

"I think what SCS is saying is that of course Waid is gonna blow it off and downplay Convergence. He's working for the other team, and doesn't want you to realize they're doing the exact same story."

1. Ad Hominem.

2. Did you miss what I wrote? This is an industry. Waid will be working for DC again. Face Palm.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#304: Jan 16th 2015 at 5:31:18 PM

If they're basically doing the same story, it's really wise from them at either side to start criticizing that very same type of story? Well, I guess Waid's always had some cojones, at least.

edited 16th Jan '15 5:31:51 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

SiennaCiShan Since: May, 2013
#305: Jan 16th 2015 at 7:27:56 PM

Knowledge is objective, rational.

Opinion is subjective, irrational.

One does not overlap with another.

Dressed to Kill.
TheConductor Since: Jan, 2011
#306: Jan 17th 2015 at 4:18:29 AM

Knowledge informs opinion. Opinions are formed on the knowledge we have access to and how we process it.

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#307: Jan 17th 2015 at 10:40:55 AM

Opinions are not intrinsically subjective or irrational. Certainly they CAN be, but in such a case they would qualify as more of a simple feeling, emotion, or impression. An informed opinion is a conclusion one draws based on demonstrable information. You have to be able to demonstrate the reasons for your opinion. If you want it to be taken seriously, that is. If one has no problem with ones opinions having no meaning to anyone else (in which case, why discuss them? They don't offer any avenue of discussion) then one can just pull them out of ones butt.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#308: Jan 18th 2015 at 4:24:48 AM

If Mark Waid came over to post here, would you tell him his opinion is less relevant to anything than of ours?

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#309: Jan 18th 2015 at 6:27:41 AM

[up][up][up][up]

  • Sonja: Immorality is subjective.
  • Boris Grushenko: Yes, but subjectivity is objective.
  • Sonja: Not in a rational scheme of perception.
  • Boris Grushenko: Perception is irrational. It implies imminence.
  • Sonja: But judgment of any system or a priori relation of phenomena exists in any rational or metaphysical or at least epistemological contradiction to an abstracted empirical concept such as being or to be or to occur in the thing itself or of the thing itself.
  • Boris Grushenko: Yeah, I've said that many times.

edited 18th Jan '15 6:28:07 AM by AnotherGuy

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#310: Jan 18th 2015 at 6:32:40 AM

You know, for all I complain about TV Tropes at times, where else could I find discussions that start on Batman and end up on philosophy?

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#312: Jan 18th 2015 at 1:39:56 PM

I'd say it would depend on what Mark Waid was opining about.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#313: Jan 26th 2015 at 8:46:28 PM

Lobo in Warhammer 40 K.

...

I can hear him laughing from all the way over there.

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#314: Jan 28th 2015 at 11:56:01 AM

as a fan of prez (maybe the only one in existance thank you grant morrison

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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#315: Jan 28th 2015 at 3:39:16 PM

Prez Rickard exists apart from being Alternate Universe President Jesus in that one Sandman story?

Shiningknight S.E.A captain from Professor Xavier's school for gifted lesbians. Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#316: Jan 28th 2015 at 3:43:53 PM

Oh very much so its heavily implied this prez IS the one from sandman

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prez_(comics)

" I did the right thing, didn't I? It all worked out in the end." "In the end? Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends."
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#317: Jan 28th 2015 at 4:14:03 PM

millerverse no longer has a world. and dcau has two, the main one which is in beyond times, and the justice lords timeline.

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#318: Jan 28th 2015 at 4:27:38 PM

[up][up]It's not Gaiman reusing an established character that surprised me. He did stuff with Element Woman, for one. It's that Prez was one such character.

Prez fought legless vampires, a right-wing militia led by the great-great-great-great-great-grandnephew of George Washington, "Boss Smiley" (a political boss with a smiley face), and evil chess players.
And apparently "President Teenage Jesus vs. Cynicism-Pushing Smiley-Faced God-Devil" was tamer than the source material.

edited 28th Jan '15 4:28:03 PM by rikalous

Shiningknight S.E.A captain from Professor Xavier's school for gifted lesbians. Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#319: Jan 28th 2015 at 4:36:51 PM

What can I say? It was the early 70s sadly prez was a casualty of the dc implosion. Those four issues and a one off supergirl issue was all he ever appeared in until that sandman issue. Poor guy never even got a whos who entry

" I did the right thing, didn't I? It all worked out in the end." "In the end? Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends."
rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#320: Jan 28th 2015 at 5:04:23 PM

He was in this illustrated DC encyclopedia thing I used to have, but I guess I never noticed that his first appearance wasn't in Sandman.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#321: Jan 28th 2015 at 5:38:25 PM

It's a real shame DC and Marvel never teamed up to make a crossover between Prez's presidential bid and Howard the Duck's.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#322: Jan 29th 2015 at 6:27:09 AM

Prez's origin is pretty funny too. IIRC the American people were just so apathetic toward politics after Nixon that they elected a teenager, who turned out to be really good at the job.

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#323: Jan 29th 2015 at 9:56:20 PM

I remember Gaiman resurrected Brother Power the Geek for a Swamp Thing Annual once, too. And it was actually pretty good!

Now, I never read the original Prez, but does Ted Grant/Wildcat figure into it at all? I know he showed up in Gaiman's story, and I always felt his inclusion felt kind of random. It felt like it had some significance that I wasn't privy too.

They actually intended to include Prez in their original Who's Who, but apparently they had some kind of technical difficulties with his entry and elected to drop it rather then delay the issue. They actually mention it in that issue's letters page.

edited 29th Jan '15 9:58:26 PM by Robbery

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#324: Jan 29th 2015 at 11:59:48 PM

If i recall wildcat one of only two actual characters from dc he interracted with the other one was the pre crisis supergirl

Also brother powers on that earth too hes at the back of that image xd

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AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#325: Jan 30th 2015 at 9:53:40 AM

I hate to bring up something a year old but...

Constant Creator Shifts Creators come and go from comic titles all the time, but the “New 52” ushered in an unusual number of sudden creator departures based on “creative differences” with DC editors. First came John Rozum quitting Static Shock and J.T. Krul leaving Green Arrow. Then came quick exits by New 52 architects like George Perez, Ron Marz, Fabian Nicieza and Sterling Gates. High-profile departures got fans talking when DC executive Karen Berger left her long-time post at Vertigo, and when Gail Simone was let go from Batgirl in December of last year (although she was put back on the book soon after, thanks in part to fan outcry).

In 2013, the list of creators leaving unexpectedly grew, with Andy Diggle saying goodbye to Action Comics before he even began, and Joshua Hale Fialkov doing the same with Red Lanterns and Green Lantern Corps.

When DC announced it was pulling Jim Zubkavich from writing Birds of Prey before his first issue came out, writer Nick Spencer (T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents) said: “[T]he way DC treats a lot of their freelancers is absolutely abhorrent... When it happened to me on Supergirl, I didn’t say much, because I didn’t want to dwell on the negative. But when you see it happen to so many good people, and the damage it does to their careers, their incomes, etc…It’s just not okay."

Last month in an interview with iCV2, DC Co-Publisher Dan Di Dio said the creative shuffle is being blown out of proportion and is “a little bit less in the last decade than its ever been." His Co-Publisher Jim Lee said it’s the “normal course of business."

But from where we sit, with Kevin Maguire just recently being taken off Justice League 3000, James Robinson leaving Earth 2 somewhat unceremoniously, and J.H. Williams III and Haden Blackman leaving Batwoman, it looks like Di Dio and Lee might want to make a change in the way freelancers are being handled by editorial.


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