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A general discussion thread for all things DC Comics. Topics may be split off into their own threads if necessary. That said, since there's already a thread for the D Cn U (aka Nu52), this one would probably stick to pre-Nu52 comics to avoid redundancy.

I've always wondered if there's a justification for Wonder Woman's outfit being designed after a modern-day one-piece swimsuit/leotard instead of something that would fit her Greco-Roman mythological background (e.g. Amazons were more often than not depicted as wearing trousersnote ). A few attempted redesigns had her adopt Lady Legionnaire Wear for a skirt, but they never stuck. And then of course, there's her pants-wearing design during J. Michael Straczynski's run (courtesy of artist Jim Lee).

edited 27th Dec '13 7:51:31 AM by MarqFJA

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#276: Jan 14th 2015 at 12:08:30 PM

Basically, by now he's mutated into a generic horror movie villain. And no, he wasn't always that, you, the smartasses in the back just opening your mouths right now. tongue He had elements of that, but it wasn't all there was to him.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#277: Jan 14th 2015 at 4:17:06 PM

Here's the solicits for the actual event and week 2.

This is it! The entire DC Universe, from the dawn of time through The New 52, must fight to survive against a threat that bends the Multiverse to its will. Your favorite characters from every era and every forgotten series are all here! But are you going to say hello again just to say goodbye forever? The stakes have never been higher as the heroes of Crisis, Zero Hour, Elseworlds, and more are brought together for Convergence! In the first issue of this weekly series, Brainiac has collected cities of doomed and forgotten worlds, who must battle each other—and the losers will be destroyed! But why is he forcing this conflict? Join the refugees from Earth-2 as they unlock the truth behind this world that exists outside time and space and is very much alive! Is Brainiac really in control—or is this planet named Telos an unparalleled force of evil? This extra-sized issue is packed with twists and turns and appearances you NEVER thought you’d see—including the heroes from the hit series INJUSTICE!

edited 14th Jan '15 4:17:18 PM by comicwriter

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#278: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:09:17 PM

It's the ultimatest conflict born from all previous ultimater conflicts, which were made up from all ultimate conflicts! Sure to never be topped until our next ultimatetest confict!

TailsDoll I have a plan. Since: Apr, 2012
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#279: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:50:14 PM

When you get down to the brass tacks, Joker is just a clone of Hugo Strange, who was Batman's real first arch-enemy. I'd say they should use Hugo Strange more, but Hugo Strange has some excellent stories and I bet you the writers they have now would put Hugo into some awful shit and diminish his short but shining career as a villain.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#280: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:54:12 PM

And actually, Strange in turn owns a few things to Doctor Death, Batman's first actual recurring villain. One can draw a progressive refining of the formula from Death and through Strange into Joker. Death even started the 'Announce my crimes in advance' motif later exploited over and over by Joker and Riddler.

TailsDoll I have a plan. Since: Apr, 2012
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#281: Jan 14th 2015 at 6:10:57 PM

That's pretty cool, I knew Hugo Strange created Fear Dust which would later be Scarecrow's villain gimmick, but I didn't know that Doctor Death was Batman's first recurring opponent or a guy you could call a "super-villain". Then again I don't actually know a whole lot about the pulp-inspired, Golden Age roots of Batman.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#282: Jan 14th 2015 at 6:38:36 PM

Dr. Death was one of the first supervillains in the medium, I'm pretty sure. Many of the earlier superheroes mostly fought mobster types, some of whom had quirks but most had totally mundane motives and methods.

BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#283: Jan 14th 2015 at 6:48:14 PM

I think the very first real super villain was the Ultra Humanite, who originally had a brain switching gimmick until he stayed permanently in the body of an albino gorilla.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#285: Jan 14th 2015 at 7:33:25 PM

I find the development of the superhero archetype very interesting, and DC's been there since nearly the beginning. DC's first superpowered character was not actually Superman, but Dr. Occult in 1935, created by the same team, actually. He's considered the "first DC character" because he's the earliest one to still regularly appear in the Shared Universe. The first comic-book crime fighter to wear a mask was Centaur Comics' Clock in 1936, who was later bought by Quality and then by DC, who have strangely never used him. The first character to use the familiar "domino" mask was DC's Crimson Avenger; many of these early "plainclothes" heroes in turn drew a lot from radio and pulp novel characters like the aforementioned Shadow.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#286: Jan 14th 2015 at 7:39:10 PM

I found it interesting that Crimson Avenger started off as a pulp hero before moving into a more Batman-ish mold (complete with a costumed Kid Sidekick) as time went on.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#287: Jan 14th 2015 at 7:49:16 PM

There were a whole lot of Green Hornet/Shadow-style "pulpy" heroes running around in the Golden Age - Crimson Avenger at DC, Midnight and Mouthpiece at Quality, Blue Beetle at Fox (later bought by Charlton, then by DC), and of course The Spirit.

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#288: Jan 14th 2015 at 8:04:42 PM

Dr. Occult looks a lot like The Question.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#291: Jan 14th 2015 at 8:18:05 PM

https://twitter.com/MarkWaid/status/555578779255717888

Mark Waid: Reading the solicit text for CONVERGENCE is like watching the world’s dullest game of Cards Against Humanity.

SiennaCiShan Since: May, 2013
#292: Jan 15th 2015 at 4:35:48 AM

Mark Waid's opinion on DC is the most useless things this side of ice sellers on the poles.

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AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#293: Jan 15th 2015 at 9:44:16 AM

Yeah, what would Mark Waid know about the DC Universe?

SiennaCiShan Since: May, 2013
#294: Jan 15th 2015 at 11:26:09 AM

A whole lot, but that is irrelevant to this discussion.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#295: Jan 15th 2015 at 1:50:56 PM

> A writer with a lot of DC experience.

> Irrelevant in a DC Comics in General thread.

Uh, no.

SiennaCiShan Since: May, 2013
#296: Jan 15th 2015 at 3:46:07 PM

His opinion on DC became irrelevant ever since he signed an exclusivity deal with Marvel.

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#297: Jan 15th 2015 at 5:33:18 PM

... no, our opinions are relevant for this thread, and we haven't ever written a DC Comic in our lives. Quesada's opinions on DC are relevant, too, as its main competition and a market force in his own right.

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#298: Jan 16th 2015 at 4:19:12 AM

"His opinion on DC became irrelevant ever since he signed an exclusivity deal with Marvel."

So, the moment Waid wrote for DC, all of his Superman comics vanished? Guess that means when Stan Lee did a line of comics for DC, Marvel imploded, right? Jack Kirby did DC and Marvel.

This is a business. Check out Joseph Michael Straczynski's comic book history.

SiennaCiShan Since: May, 2013
#299: Jan 16th 2015 at 6:18:44 AM

What does knowledge have to do with opinion?

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#300: Jan 16th 2015 at 6:47:31 AM

I think what SCS is saying is that of course Waid is gonna blow it off and downplay Convergence. He's working for the other team, and doesn't want you to realize they're doing the exact same story.

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