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A general discussion thread for all things DC Comics. Topics may be split off into their own threads if necessary. That said, since there's already a thread for the D Cn U (aka Nu52), this one would probably stick to pre-Nu52 comics to avoid redundancy.

I've always wondered if there's a justification for Wonder Woman's outfit being designed after a modern-day one-piece swimsuit/leotard instead of something that would fit her Greco-Roman mythological background (e.g. Amazons were more often than not depicted as wearing trousersnote ). A few attempted redesigns had her adopt Lady Legionnaire Wear for a skirt, but they never stuck. And then of course, there's her pants-wearing design during J. Michael Straczynski's run (courtesy of artist Jim Lee).

edited 27th Dec '13 7:51:31 AM by MarqFJA

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#25026: Jun 25th 2025 at 5:13:41 PM

First issue's pretty neat. It's mostly lore, there's no character or anything of the sort, but there's a real sense of history. It both embraces that history and blends it into a cohesive whole, and almost makes you want to read the material it's referencing.

Edited by kkhohoho on Jun 26th 2025 at 11:57:54 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25027: Jun 25th 2025 at 5:22:41 PM

Also noticed it says definitively that Lucifer and his subordinate fallen angels were the first demons. Guess that answers, after decades, the question of if the First of the Fallen's claims of being older than Big L were hot air or not with a "yes." Everybody act shocked.

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#25028: Jun 25th 2025 at 6:01:04 PM

Not necessarily. It could mean that First of the Fallen did not become a demon after falling, or at least did not immediately become a demon until after Lucifer did. For example, Lucifer could have been the one to kick him down, and then have turned first into a demon after getting kicked down himself by Michael?

Edited by IndirectActiveTransport on Jun 25th 2025 at 6:01:30 AM

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#25029: Jun 25th 2025 at 6:21:23 PM

The Justice Alliance was a deep cut. I'd never even heard of half of those dudes.

Edited by kkhohoho on Jun 25th 2025 at 9:21:52 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#25030: Jun 26th 2025 at 1:47:46 AM

This weeks Green Arrow introduces a new evil vigilante, Crimson Archer who is killing off the "undesirables" of the city like the homeless by shooting them with arrows laced with a terrible drug called Crimson Sand.

So they OD as they die. Pretty brutal, Roy unfortunately got hit with an arrow in his heart causing him a forced relapse.

Isn't the name Crimson Archer kind of redundant when "Red Arrow" exists?

Poor Roy is once again saddled with a story about drug addiction.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25031: Jun 26th 2025 at 2:29:11 AM

As it turns out Crimson Archer is a revamped golden age villain similar to Queen Clea in Absolute Wonder Woman

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#25032: Jun 26th 2025 at 8:35:59 AM

[up] Silver Age, but close enough. He only appeared once.

Maybe next they can bring back The Boomerang, who was a pretty clever Golden Age killer who always 'came back' to finish a job.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jun 26th 2025 at 11:36:48 AM

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Dayraven1 Since: Aug, 2023
#25033: Jun 26th 2025 at 9:22:42 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Or it could just mean Barry’s not your man for the ins and outs of demonology. (More seriously, any future contradictions can easily be put down to Barry not knowing everything.)

DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#25034: Jun 26th 2025 at 9:37:40 AM

[up] (x8) I am certainly looking up the issues from the timeline in the back

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#25035: Jun 26th 2025 at 6:39:38 PM

I wonder how it'll affect the infamous ContinuitySnarl.Hawkman page.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25036: Jun 26th 2025 at 6:41:34 PM

The Hawk-snarl got a surprisingly simple patch a couple years ago. The Hawks reincarnate through both time and space, meaning multiple incarnations can be alive at the same time.

It somehow took until the 2020s to come up with that.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#25037: Jun 26th 2025 at 6:43:33 PM

[up][up]Depends on how later issues address it.

I'm more interested in how they handle all the Superman and Wonder Woman inconsistencies.

Edited by kkhohoho on Jun 26th 2025 at 8:43:44 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25038: Jun 27th 2025 at 5:06:23 PM

Preview for Justice League vs Godzilla vs Kong #2

First line on the first page is Enchantress saying Lafayette killed Amanda Waller so looks like she did indeed bleed out on the floor there.

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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#25039: Jun 28th 2025 at 6:13:34 AM

Eh, it might be setup for a twist. It kind of sounds like leaning well on it.

Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25040: Jun 28th 2025 at 6:19:06 AM

Later solicits though only mention Lafayette and Luthor as the villains so it's likely Waller is only a decoy antagonist.

Just enjoy the possibility of Waller jobbing for once.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 28th 2025 at 6:21:58 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#25041: Jun 28th 2025 at 8:50:43 AM

Given how DC treats Waller nowadays, I’ll believe it when I see it really. She always “unstoppable government agent ninjustsu”s her way out of any setback.

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#25042: Jun 28th 2025 at 12:03:43 PM

She lost at the end of Absolute Power (2024) last summer, when I suggest she just win until the end of the year, she had come so far.

So, Batman is mocked for having a bunch of Robins, but all of his "main" setting Robins are distinguishable by look and name. Nightwing-Red Hood-Red Robin-Robin, Spoiler if you count her, because with Batgirl you also have Flamebird-Batgirl-Black Bat/Orphan/Spoiler. There is Bat-Man of China and New York Batman, but for the most part, it's easy to tell the people apart. Even the Robin is still Robin-Bot.

By contrast, Power Girl is the only one on team Superman who is neither wearing red-blue-yellow nor baring an "S" on her chest. I get the "S" is justified as a family symbol, but verbally they're also not very distinguished. The same Super-Man of China thing, but also two Superboys and two Steels.

Wonder Woman's sidekick and counterpart roster is all visually distinct, which is kind of weird in the context of this topic, given the militaristic discipline of Amazons would suggests uniforms, but in addition to the obligatory Wonder-Woman of China, there's also three Wonder Girls.

Given the Robins are all distinguishable by name and outfit, how would you go about adding some distinction? Leave the China knockoffs as knockoffs, or give them their own names? Give China Super-Man and Bat-Man more distinct outfits? New York Batman? Clothing alterations for Supergirl-Superboy-Superboy-Star Child-Red Son? New name for one of the Superboys? One of the Steels? New names for two of the Wonder Girls?

Edited by IndirectActiveTransport on Jun 28th 2025 at 12:54:02 PM

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Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#25043: Jun 28th 2025 at 12:26:24 PM

[up] I always thought the huge families were getting ungainly, but seeing it presented like that really makes me think so.

Personally, I think they ought to trim the number of characters a bit. That's going to make some people unhappy if it gets rid of whoever their favorite iteration is, but I mean, my god. The Crisis happened because they thought all the multi-verse continuity was getting unmanageable, but giving Superman and Batman small armies of tangential characters, many of whom aren't particularly distinguishable from each other to the casual viewer, seems unsustainable.

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#25044: Jun 28th 2025 at 12:30:47 PM

Batman's Family not only includes Batgirls and Robins, there's also at one time or another Huntress, Azrael, Spoiler, Gotham Girl, Orpheus, The Signal, and Catwoman I guess. So that gives them a lot more variety than the Superfamily.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#25045: Jun 28th 2025 at 12:51:43 PM

I miss Orpheus. (Last I checked he was still dead.)

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#25046: Jun 28th 2025 at 2:00:29 PM

Okay, like I would make the China characters change their name and alter their looks, except Peng Delian. Her outfit is just fine, and I'd just have her go by Green Snake, because. But the change would be the subject of a character arc, not an abrupt thing.

Red Son, though? I'd make his entire outfit red except the boots would be purple and the "S" shield would be pink, which is still a shade of red. All red everything.

Star Child would have a white outfit with a black star at each point of her "S" shield.

Jon Kent would be Silver Son, with an all silver suit except a black and gold "S" shield.

Natasha Iron's would be renamed "Stainless".

Reason for changes? Suggestion of a confused reporter.

New York Batman would be Direbat, from the big brown bat, the largest cave bat species endemic to New York.

Reason for change? He's now a reserve member of Batman Inc.

Donna Troy would beWonder Geist, because of her enigmatic history Wrathammer, because she can hit really hard.

Yara Flor would be Woodhaunter, after the flamboyant bird of the Amazon Rain Forest inside of Brazil's borders.

Reason for changes? Myndi Mayer gets a sequel to LeRoy Fontaine's Wonder Woman movie from Sensation Comics into production, but neither the director nor the merchandise executives want three characters called Wonder Girl.

Edited by IndirectActiveTransport on Jun 28th 2025 at 2:31:31 AM

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#25047: Jun 28th 2025 at 2:05:58 PM

[up] Doesn't Donna have Troia for if she wants a name other than Wonder Girl?

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#25048: Jun 28th 2025 at 2:12:26 PM

Yes, but Troia's dumb. Almost as dumb as the TV Tropes forum post formatting that refuses to let me break up my paragraphs the way I want to no matter which character I type in between them.

Moreover, Troia's a remnant from that Titan Seed thing, those kids DC is never going to use again and never had much interest in the first place. And if Donna's going to keep wearing a "W"/"WW" belt buckle she might as well have a name with a "W" or two in it.

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FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#25049: Jun 28th 2025 at 5:21:58 PM

Trioa was basically part of that whole can't be connected to Wonder Woman era

This is an outrage against Luminara!
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25050: Jun 28th 2025 at 5:26:02 PM

I love the families. That basically every major character has an ever-growing Found Family is super heartwarming to me. Getting rid of them would just piss people off, too. New 52-era Flash...


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