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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Dec 27th 2013 at 7:49:53 AM

A general discussion thread for all things DC Comics. Topics may be split off into their own threads if necessary. That said, since there's already a thread for the D Cn U (aka Nu52), this one would probably stick to pre-Nu52 comics to avoid redundancy.

I've always wondered if there's a justification for Wonder Woman's outfit being designed after a modern-day one-piece swimsuit/leotard instead of something that would fit her Greco-Roman mythological background (e.g. Amazons were more often than not depicted as wearing trousersnote ). A few attempted redesigns had her adopt Lady Legionnaire Wear for a skirt, but they never stuck. And then of course, there's her pants-wearing design during J. Michael Straczynski's run (courtesy of artist Jim Lee).

edited 27th Dec '13 7:51:31 AM by MarqFJA

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Dec 27th 2013 at 10:01:52 AM

There have been explanations for the color scheme over the years but nothing on the shape of the costume. Personally, I would just as rather not have them justify the one-piece swimsuit look, to avoid the Voodoo Shark problem.

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Dec 27th 2013 at 12:42:20 PM

I can justify it. Hephaestus is a perv.

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Dec 27th 2013 at 12:44:37 PM

[up] Funnily enough, that's the actual explanation in Superwomen of Eva 2: Amazing Amazon.

[up][up] ... Ugh. I just looked up Voodoo Shark's comic books examples. Ugh, and double ugh! Someone sack Joe Quesada already!

How about justifying it for a fanfic that does its own "reboot" and re-imagines the DC Comics superhero setting for its own purposes, the same way spin-off movies of Superman and Batman do? They count as alternate continuities, right?

edited 27th Dec '13 12:48:18 PM by MarqFJA

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Dec 27th 2013 at 6:33:43 PM

I personally could not come up with an explanation for the swimsuit look that wasn't a voodoo shark, so I'd either not mention it in story, or have her wear one of her more practical outfits.

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Dec 27th 2013 at 6:44:45 PM

Hephaestus is a perv.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Dec 27th 2013 at 7:55:16 PM

On a different topic: I know Green Lantern's ring can translate spoken languages. Does this also apply to written languages? Would it work on sign languages?

(There doesn't seem to be a Green Lantern thread, so I figured I'd ask here.)

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Dec 27th 2013 at 11:27:33 PM

[up] I think it probably could, for both, though it would require scanning the writings first for the former and might take some time when coming into "first contact" with one of the latter's.

[up][up][up] How about explaining it as due to being a champion of Aphrodite alongside the other Amazonian goddesses? If she's supposed to be an epitome of beauty (and sensuality, if you want to factor in that side of Aphrodite), then her outfit should be appropiately glamorous and flattering, right?

Incidentally, I just reading this bit from Superwomen of Eva 2: Amazing Amazon Chapter 1:

"I was referring to the color," Rei said.

Though the "armor" did look like it would be more than a little revealing…

"Oh," Athena said. "Well, the Lord of the Forges was rather enamored with America when he made this. They had recently won their 'space race' against the Soviet Union, and he felt that they were perhaps his greatest followers of all time."

Anyone think that this could be a plausible justification for the modern Wonder Woman's color scheme in New Earth canon?

edited 27th Dec '13 11:31:46 PM by MarqFJA

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Dec 28th 2013 at 4:00:17 AM

Yes, the GL ring can translate writing, instantly if it's "seen" the language before, in a very short time if the language is in the central database and communication is possible, or after some time and a large sample if it's "new." Same with sign language or other "non-standard" communication methods. Most of the time when this comes up, either the central database is unavailable or it's a completely new language that the Corps has never encountered before.

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Dec 28th 2013 at 4:30:05 AM

On another note, is it just me, or does the DCU superhero/supervillain population have a distinct lack of well-known powerful psychics on the level of Marvel's Professor X, the various psychic members of the Jean Grey bloodline, Emma Frost, and the Stepford Cuckoos? Or heck, a pseudo-telekinetic like Magnetonote ?

edited 28th Dec '13 4:31:29 AM by MarqFJA

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Dec 28th 2013 at 5:05:32 AM

Define "well-known". There's Martian Manhunter, of course; on the baddies side there's Dr. Psycho, Psymon, Mad Hatter...

But yes, the DCU is less blessed with top-level psychics than the Marvel U. Which was kind of lampshaded by the Squadron Supreme being so easy to mind control because they'd never run into it in their home dimension and thus never learned to defend against it.

supergod Walking the Earth from the big city
Walking the Earth
Dec 30th 2013 at 6:11:13 AM

[up] Mad Hatter isn't a psychic. Unless Gail Simone writes him, that is.

For we shall slay evil with logic...
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Dec 30th 2013 at 7:36:18 AM

He simulates psychic powers (primarily mind control.) Good enough for our purposes. Might actually be effective against Marvel characters, provided it's ones that have never met the Ringmaster.

Dec 31st 2013 at 1:28:12 PM

Most telepaths and the like in the DCU are villains. In addition to the already listed, there's also Grodd and Manchester Black, for instance. If we're counting people who can manipulate minds through tech, other than Hatter, we have Spellbinder.

I think Dr. Polaris also can do Magneto-level tricks on telekinetics and the like. I know he was going to shift the whole axis of the Earth in Joker: Last Laugh, for starters.

edited 31st Dec '13 1:29:39 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

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Dec 31st 2013 at 3:23:26 PM

didn't Manchester Black get Brought Down to Normal?

and Spellbinder... you mean one of McGinnis!Batman's rogues, right?

edited 31st Dec '13 3:26:02 PM by crimsonstorm15

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Saya1 Werefox from Multiverse
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Dec 31st 2013 at 3:31:11 PM

No there used to be a normal Batman villain named Spellbinder.

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Jan 1st 2014 at 6:05:33 AM

The original Spellbinder was a goofy Silver Age leftover with mere tech to cast illusions. During the Underworld Unleashed crossover, his girlfriend killed him and made a deal with demon Neron to gain actual magical mind altering illusions.

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supergod Walking the Earth from the big city
Walking the Earth
Jan 2nd 2014 at 3:18:54 AM

Apart from J'onn, The only other heroes I can think of with psi powers are Mento, Hitman, Looker, and Raven, and the former three disappeared into the background pre-52. I guess Aquaman could be considered a limited telepath.

For we shall slay evil with logic...
Jan 2nd 2014 at 7:29:05 AM

Hitman didn't 'disappear', the last issue of his series outright killed him off.

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Jan 2nd 2014 at 7:43:52 AM

Anyone know if there's a rough estimate of how "big" (or rather, how small) Paradise Island/Themyscira is in terms of land area? I'm getting the impression that it's probably tiny enough to count as at least a borderline microstate.

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
supergod Walking the Earth from the big city
Walking the Earth
Jan 2nd 2014 at 11:54:51 AM

[up][up] Damn, I've yet to read the last two volumes. That would explain it.

Also forgot about Miss Martian.

edited 2nd Jan '14 11:57:39 AM by supergod

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Saya1 Werefox from Multiverse
Werefox
Jan 2nd 2014 at 4:34:40 PM

The Batman's version of spellbinder looked pretty cool.

edited 2nd Jan '14 4:34:48 PM by Saya1

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Jan 3rd 2014 at 4:17:05 AM

I didn't want to start a thread on its own because its kind of just my own crazy thoery at the moment.

Is DC preparing to pull the plug on the vertigo imprint within the next two years?

First all the characters who started off as dc characters were folded back into the main universe.

The we have the sandman mini series.

Then it was announced that fables is ending with issue 150...its spinoff fairest ending before that.

Then unwritten is ending for good with this final apocalypse arc

all that vertigo are publishing other than the four mentioned above are american vampire (which is on hiatus) and a bunch of stories which either seem self contained or are mini series on its own.

Am I over thinking this or will dc use this new sandman mini to close the book on vertigo?

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