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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#351: Sep 22nd 2014 at 3:13:45 AM

Question: why didn't our protagonist attempt to convince the general to shoot a bunker-busting bunch of nukes on the Louvre, in that interview with him, instead of attempting to terminate the damned thing themselves?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
TheSpaceJawa Since: Jun, 2013
#352: Sep 22nd 2014 at 5:20:55 AM

[up] I'm pretty sure he didn't know where the Omega was the last time he talked with the general.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#353: Sep 22nd 2014 at 5:49:10 AM

Why didn't he plug the thing into his arm while in the General's office?

In fact, why didn't he shoot himself immediately after verifying where the core was so he'd get maximum time to prepare? Why even risk gotting into a car chase, where crashing and bleeding out is much more common than instantly dying?

edited 22nd Sep '14 5:50:03 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#354: Sep 22nd 2014 at 7:28:01 AM

My only issue with Edge of Tomorrow is I would've liked more fleshing out of J Squad. At the end, they're really trying to push them as a Ragtag Bunch of Misfits but their quirks were barely elaborated on. I would've liked a sequence where we got to know them better instead of Cage randomly expositioning their backstories at the end.

And I'm not talking about expanding them a super amount either. The Soldiers in Aliens had just enough characterization were you gave a damn if one of them got killed.

edited 22nd Sep '14 7:28:58 AM by Lionheart0

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#355: Sep 22nd 2014 at 11:12:51 AM

Meh, I didn't really like any of them. Especially Kimmel.

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#356: Oct 1st 2014 at 11:35:07 AM

Well, the film finished its domestic run with over a hundred million dollars at the box office. Which is way way more than most analysts were predicting.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=allyouneediskill.htm

Total world wide at the cinema was $369,206,256, which isn't too far off a hundred and fifty million dollars more than it took to make and market.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#357: Oct 1st 2014 at 5:15:49 PM

That's good :) Good thing it doesn't need a sequel XD

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#358: Oct 1st 2014 at 6:25:42 PM

Handle: I was thinking the same thing. Why not use it on the spot and then "reset" so he had time to plan a proper mission maybe even get himself some sneaky fire support or something? My guess is they needed a "properly tense moment".

I liked the movie overall though. It had some neat effects for pretty much everything and the bad guys were no joke. Cruises character was rather hapless and him getting his ass handed to him over and over was great. The Angel of Verdun was appropriately bad ass.

There are a few things that bugged me about the movie though. Namely the weapons they had and what looks like a polymer plate instead of the highly effective ceramic strike plates? None of the weapons systems make any sense and are frankly way more complicated then they need to be. The Armature mounted weapons would be lousy for absorbing recoil and add in they put that force way over the center of gravity of the shooter. The lack of freedom of hands to do things like reload and a clunky reload system are another. Why on earth are they using 5.56mm box mag weapons when they could easily use belt fed LMG's or even heavier 7.62mm weapons box or belt?

But the one thing that struck as never being addressed is how a what is basically described as a gestalt entity that knows what is going on through the entire battle and can reset at any time how they managed to do anything on the beach ever? The entity would very likely start to notice some things are going differently. Especially notable since it apparently is aware of the fact that one of the humans is included in its time loop. Why didn't it just mob him with a hundred enemies at once and carry him off over a hill and bleed him like a pig in a slaughter house?

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#359: Oct 1st 2014 at 6:43:39 PM

Because if Cage just dies he resets, plus the Omega is a sadistic bastard who likes to play with its food. Which is the whole planet, btw.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#360: Oct 1st 2014 at 7:16:18 PM

Except it is implied if he is bled out instead of just killed outright he doesn't keep the power hence the ambush by the Alpha at the dam. Also the big bad brain playing with its food doesn't make sense either otherwise it wouldn't try to lure him into a trap in the first place. It isn't toying with its food so much as setting up a situation where it wins hands down. Hence the repeated resets in the first place.

edited 1st Oct '14 7:16:32 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#361: Oct 2nd 2014 at 12:23:39 PM

[up]You could be right on that but I'm not really sure. I think I need to watch the film a few more times to get to the bottom of how it works out for Cage and Rita and why.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#362: Oct 2nd 2014 at 3:43:26 PM

When cage gets cornered in the dam he quickly notices that rather then ripping him to pieces like the mimics normally do the Alpha is trying to bleed him out somehow. Then makes that mad dash to escape it and kills himself. After he wakes up he reveals to the Rita and Dr. Carter that it was trap and what the Alpha was trying to make happen.

As for everything that is spelled out for us a few times through out the film. Like I said though I have wonder how the aliens who have the same power don't notice a shift in a repeating pattern over time. Especially a pattern that repeats so often because Cage is a human and is more easily killed.

edited 2nd Oct '14 3:43:38 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#363: Oct 7th 2014 at 10:22:54 PM

So has anyone else heard that they've renamed the movie for whatever inane reason? I was watching an Achievement Hunter video where they mentioned it and one of them said "They actually gave it a crappier title than it already had."

To be honest none of its titles make sense. People would even look at "All You Need Is Kill" and just see either some kind of grammar error or something else.

ManInGray from Israel Since: Jul, 2011
#364: Oct 8th 2014 at 4:18:51 AM

The disc pack seems to be titled Live Die Repeat: Edge of Tomorrow.

And back in 2012 the working title was We Mortals Are. Another working title was the original book's, don't know which was used first. Edge of Tomorrow is pretty bland, but I'd say it's the least bad so far...

Like I said though I have wonder how the aliens who have the same power don't notice a shift in a repeating pattern over time.

I'm pretty sure that while Cage has the power, the Mimics don't. Otherwise he wouldn't be able to anticipate their moves like that. What's less clear is why the visions only come after a number of resets; What's different? Is it something that could happen at every reset, but the conditions are rarely met, and the Omega forgets that it happened as the resetting process completes? Or does the omega remember that many resets have passed, seemingly with nothing between them?

edited 8th Oct '14 4:30:32 AM by ManInGray

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#365: Oct 8th 2014 at 12:07:04 PM

Cage gets his power from the mimics they explain that. Also they explain the mimics have the ability to detect him even to the point where they send him a false vision of a sort to lure him into a trap. Also they point out they use it to set up their advantage as they know what is going to happen ahead of time something they mention more then once and even mention it on the last run against the Omega. My question still stands.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#366: Oct 8th 2014 at 12:14:51 PM

He's probably learned to use the abilities given by the Alpha blood better than they do, given the extremely long period of time he's been stuck in the loop. And also given humanity's innate Chekhov's Skill of learning and adapting, well, skills. Of being able to use the ability to learn how to do one thing and adapt the heck out of it and use that to learn others.

Like going from crawling to walking to riding push-bikes without stabilisers. Show me anyone who says that that process is easy and I will show you a fool.

They say that it takes ten thousand hours to really master something - Cage has had much, much, much longer than that.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#367: Oct 8th 2014 at 4:40:39 PM

Except I doubt he could use it better then mimics considering it is an innate part of them to begin with down to the point they notice a foreign element is involved in their ability. He isn't mastering their ability at all so much as just dying repeatedly and spending timing mastering what he can do as a person with the equipment he has. Even then he and Rita die frequently. Notice that one Alpha he killed is no where to be seen on the beach after Cage's encounter even when he is back in the area he encountered it in in the first place. They are also quite capable of planning ahead of time and positioning assets to ambush him just like in the dam. The fact they learn from the encounters is one of the key parts of movie like how they notice it seems like they mimics knew they were coming at the beach. Did no one else catch on that mimic ambushes all over the beach were just a little too conveniently placed for maximum effectiveness?

Seriously what is stopping the intelligence from noticing a new pattern starting to show up with two human fighters suddenly kicking ass and figuring out they are a threat. It isn't the first time it had happened for the war either. What is stopping them from setting far more likely to succeed trap where it ambushes him out in the open. Lure him and/or Rita into a open field and boom dozens even hundreds of mimics swarm over them and pin them down. They bleed cage dry bam done. Why didn't they do that at the farm with the helicopter for example? Cage has to die several times over to figure out how to beat any given situations the mimics throw at him and the mimics chances of succeeding are a lot higher.

It feels like the mimics have a giant neon red idiot ball in their tentacled arms and hugging it lovingly.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#368: Oct 8th 2014 at 9:42:04 PM

OF course the Mimic ambushes on the beach were perfectly timed. That's the point. They were still trying to murderize Rita. I don't think that the Omega was sure that she had lost her looping ability up until Cage was way into his looping cycle and was starting to make a whole fuckton of changes to the pattern. The Omega may know perfectly well what their species is capable of, but not be absolutely sure of how humans would use the thing, and was therefore not taking any chances with her. Note how the film makes a point of showing her dying almost as many times as Cage does in the opening half of the film.

You can't judge an alien species completely by human standards (or indeed humans by alien standards) - that's (to my mind anyway) not just holding the Idiot Ball, that's dating it, getting engaged, marrying the thing and having a long and unhappy life with it. I'm only guessing about how things work in the film, but I'm happy with that.

I just pre-ordered the Blu-Ray of the film this week from Amazon, for delivery sometime later in the month, and I will be watching it a lot from then on.

edited 8th Oct '14 9:54:16 PM by TamH70

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#369: Oct 8th 2014 at 10:24:22 PM

Except they figured out that Rita was set up for an ambush just like Cage via the exact same set up with the false images.The obvious sign for the Omega that Rita no longer had her powers would be sudden reduction in restarts from her getting plastered over the landscape.

There is a vast world of difference between human standards and painfully obvious advantage. I think its is grossly egregious to assume that something so patently obvious to an overtly war like species capable of complex plans like luring the human forces into a losing all in fight and drawing a specific individual into a trap couldn't figure out a simply more efficient method of ambushing a single enemy that is an overt threat to them after having encountered it previously and they know it is Cage and not Rita as they send the visions to him specifically.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#370: Oct 27th 2014 at 7:31:47 AM

Just watched the movie. My God, it was awesome!

I only have two complaints:

1. In the landing, what happened to air support and artillery?

2. Also, why didn't Tom Cruise kill himself as soon as they found the Omega?

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#371: Oct 27th 2014 at 8:00:41 AM

Because the blood transfusion had removed the time powers. It would have accomplished nothing.

Also, there is air support (you can see jets flying over the beach during master shots) and maybe some artillery (hovercraft firing off missiles/grenades), but I don't think there are any ships around the beach, just the hovercrafts and whatnot.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#372: Oct 27th 2014 at 8:03:01 AM

That hardly qualifies any air support.

Also, they already found the Omega inside the car, before a guard wearing jacket crashed the car, and had a decent amount of opportunity to shoot Cage.

edited 27th Oct '14 8:09:29 AM by dRoy

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#373: Oct 27th 2014 at 11:59:22 AM

He got knocked unconscious when the guard hit the car. Rita couldn't kill him either because she was also knocked out or couldn't get to him in time.

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#374: Oct 27th 2014 at 12:21:14 PM

Air support? Probably not any trained jet jockeys left alive, given the Omega would have them as top priority targets. As for artillery? Probably none left. The war's been going on for a while, Europe is under control of the Mimics, which means most of the world's best artillery makers and armored vehicle manufacturers are gone and with it the supply of shells and spare parts.

America's probably holding back most of its best air-vehicle forces for a last ditch defense and wouldn't want to waste them trying to pull Europe's fat out of the fire. They may be smart enough to see through the bullshit Cage is selling the civpop about the Jackets making their users super soldiers. They don't know Rita is only that good because she's been through hell for over three hundred days. China and Russia have enough on their plate with their own problems without trying to supply what's left of the West, which is basically what Orwell called Airbase One - the mainland United Kingdom, with artillery and things like that. And the Mimics probably control the seaways anyway, given that's where they made planet fall - in the oceans. Would you like to take a bulk carrier loaded with munitions through that kind of hazard?

Remember whose endgame "Operation Downfall" actually is.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#375: Oct 27th 2014 at 12:24:01 PM

So has anyone else heard that they've renamed the movie for whatever inane reason? I was watching an Achievement Hunter video where they mentioned it and one of them said "They actually gave it a crappier title than it already had."

I think this is their effort to give the movie a second life on Home Video.

edited 27th Oct '14 12:24:28 PM by Lionheart0


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